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TSW drops Bobby Duncum and picks up Ray Candy

Twin States Wrestling Presents Beach Brawl '85 Holiday Beach Woodstock, AL. Sunday August 23, 1985 Bell Time: 4pm "Jumping" Joe Savoldi pinned Fidel Sierra following a dropkick off the 2nd rope The Invaders (#1/#2) defeated Kendo Nagasaki/Mr. Pogo when Invader #2 pinned Pogo with a flying crossbody off the top rope Jerry Brisco defeated "Killer" Tim Brooks by submission with the figure four leglock NWA U.S. Jr. Heavyweight Championship Bota the Witch Doctor w/General Skandor Akbar pinned Larry Hamilton after a diving headbutt off the 2nd rope…..After the match Scott Armstrong came out and challenged Bota to a 'No DQ' match for the title in Dothan next week! Bota tried to go after Armstrong, but Akbar held him back "Dirty" Dutch Mantell pinned "Boogie Woogie Man" Jimmy Valiant with a roll up and handful of tights! After the match, Mantell took the mic and said, "Jerry Brisco got lucky last night in Dothan and stole a victory over me but I want ONE MORE match with you Brisco….next week in Dothan! Special Challenge Match Plowboy Frazier/Cousin Junior defeated The Violent Gentlemen (Bill Dundee/George Barnes) w/General Skandor Akbar when Frazier pinned Barnes after Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden came to ringside and attacked Akbar which distracted Barnes allowing Plowboy to crush him in the corner with an avalanche and get the pin 3 on 3- Loser of the fall gets unmasked The Assassins (#1/#2/#3) defeated The Nightmares (#1/#2/#3) w/Ron Wright when Assassin #1 pinned Nightmare #2 following a powerslam, Nightmare #2 was forced to unmask to reveal….Ken Wayne, As Nightmare #3 took off from ringside back up the aisle, All three Assassins rushed Nightmare #1 and unmasked him as well to reveal Danny Davis! Assassin #2 took the mic and said…..tonight we took your masks….next time we take your belts! Non-Title DOG COLLAR MATCH "Mad Dog" Buzz Sawyer defeated "Bullet" Bob Armstrong in another brutal, bloody match earning a rematch for the Gulf Coast championship next week SEMI-MAIN EVENT NWA World Tag Team Championship Harley Race/Larry Zbyszko w/Roger Kirby defeated "Wildcat" Wendell Cooley/"Cowboy" Johnny Mantell when Race pinned Mantell with a cradle suplex……in a match that saw Cooley/Mantell give the champions all they could handle and it looked like a couple of times the Cowboys might take the titles but the champions experience proved to be too much for the challengers MAIN EVENT NWA World Heavyweight Championship Magnum T.A. pinned "Lumberjack" Joe LeDuc w/General Skandor Akbar when it looked like LeDuc was about to win the championship with the over the shoulder backbreaker, T.A. managed to wiggle free and slide down LeDuc's back, when the big lumberjack turned around Magnum managed to hook him in a belly to belly suplex and get the quick pin fall to retain the title

Twin States Wrestling Houston County Farm Center Dothan, AL. Saturday August 22, 1985 Bell Time 8pm Frankie Lancaster pinned "Cool" Carl Fergie with a sunset flip off the top rope "Killer" Tim Brooks w/Skandor Akbar defeated Pvt. Terry Daniels with a brainbuster Tag Team Battle Royal-Winners get a shot At the NWA World Tag Team Championships The Invaders The Alaskan Hunters Wendell Cooley/Johnny Mantell The Batten Twins Kendo Nagasaki/Mr. Pogo Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden Plowboy Frazier/Cousin Junior Chris/Mark Youngblood Bobby Duncum/Dirty Rhodes The Violent Gentlemen The Nightmares The Assassins **WINNERS** "Wildcat" Wendell Cooley/"Cowboy" Johnny Mantell last eliminating The Violent Gentlemen after Fuller/Golden who had already been eliminated came back out and distracted them causing them to get eliminated! Cooley/Mantell will challenge Race/Zbyszko tomorrow at Beach Brawl '85! NWA U.S. Jr Heavyweight Championship Four Corners Match Bota the Witch Doctor w/Skandor Akbar Vs. Scott Armstrong Vs. Larry Hamilton Vs. "Jumping" Joe Savoldi Savoldi eliminated Hamilton by pinfall after a dropkick off the top rope Bota eliminated Savoldi after a diving headbutt off the 2nd rope Armstrong defeated Bota by DQ after a blatant low blow…..Bota retains the title Submission Match Jerry Brisco defeated "Dirty" Dutch Mantell by submission with the figure four leglock Tag Team Stretcher Match The Violent Gentlemen (Bill Dundee/George Barnes) w/Akbar defeated Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden when a HUGE man came out of the crowd and attacked Golden while Dundee/Barnes double teamed Fuller…causing both Fuller/Golden to be stretchered out Six Man Tag Team Match "Bullet" Bob Armstrong/Brad Armstrong/Jimmy Valiant defeated Buzz Sawyer/Steve Strong/Angel of Death w/Ron Wright when Brad pinned Angel of Death after a 'Russian Leg Sweep'----- Sawyer promised to once again injure Armstrong in their dog collar match SEMI-MAIN EVENT NWA Twin States Tag Team Championship (3 on 3) The Nightmares (#1/#2/#3) w/Ron Wright defeated The Assassins (#1/#2/#3) when Nightmare #3 pinned Assassin #3 after headbutting him with a loaded mask MAIN EVENT NWA Twin States Heavyweight Championship (Winner will challenge for the NWA World Title at Beach Brawl '85) "Lumberjack" Joe LeDuc w/General Skandor Akbar defeated "Tennessee Stud" Ron Fuller with the over the shoulder backbreaker to win the NWA Twin States Championship

Twin States Wrestling Episode #6 Saturday August 22, 1985 From the WTVY Ch. 4 Studio in Dothan, Alabama airing LIVE at Noon on WTVY Channel 4 and on tape on stations throughout Alabama and Mississippi at various times Host/Play by Play: Charlie Platt Co-Host/Color Commentator: Ronnie P. Gossett Interviewer/Ring Announcer: Rick Stewart (Show opens with a montage of classic Southeastern Wrestling footage with a voiceover saying "Welcome to Twin States Wrestling bringing you the best professional wrestling action from across Alabama and Mississippi sanctioned by the National Wrestling Alliance", we then go to our hosts Charlie Platt and Ronnie P. Gossett) HIGHLIGHTS/QUICK RECAP Charlie Platt announces there will be a 12 team battle royal tonight with the winning team getting an NWA World Tag Team title shot tomorrow in Woodstock, Alabama at Beach Brawl '85. He also announces that due to Joe LeDuc getting a the pin fall on Twin States Champion Ron Fuller last Saturday night here in Dothan, he will be challenging Ron Fuller for the Twin States Championship tonight and the winner of the match will not only be Twin States Champion but will also get an NWA World Championship against Magnum T.A. Match #1: Bota the Witch Doctor w/General Skandor Akbar pinned Shane Douglas after a diving headbutt Tonight, Bota will defend his U.S. Jr Heavyweight Championship in a four corners match against Larry Hamilton, Scott Armstrong, and making his Twin States debut, "Jumping" Joe Savoldi! =================== Match #2: "Wildcat" Wendell Cooley/"Cowboy" Johnny Mantell defeated The Hammer Brothers (Jack/Sledge) when Cooley pinned Jack with a running bulldog ------------------------------- After the commercial break- Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden come out to the desk, Fuller has the left side of his face bandaged…..Fuller says he's back whether the doctors ok it or not and that he and Jimmy Golden will win that battle royal and get the shot at the NWA World Tag Team titles! But more importantly, they are going to get their hands on Barnes and Dundee in a tag team stretcher match and send them both to the hospital! ==================== Match #3: The Assassins (#1/#2) defeated Bobby/Rocky Ewing when Assassin #2 pinned Rocky Ewing after a powerslam Les Thatcher comes out and announces that not only will the Assassins and the Nightmares compete in the battle royal for the shot at the NWA World Tag Team titles…..but the Assassins will also get a shot at the Nightmares by way of their victory over the Nightmares last week….but Thatcher says let's put everyone's cards on the table…..it will be for the Twin States tag team titles but it will be 3 on 3! All three Assassins against all three Nightmares! ====================== Match #4: "Mad Dog" Buzz Sawyer/"Sadistic" Steve Strong/Angel of Death w/Ron Wright defeated George South/Hank Moody/Ronnie Jenkins when Sawyer pinned Moody after a splash off the top rope! These three continue to brutalize their opponents after the match until Bob & Brad Armstrong and Jimmy Valiant hit the ring and cleared house causing Ron Wright and company to take a powder Bullet Bob comes over to the desk and suggests "Since you boys think you're so tough….how about tonight the three of us….take on the three of you right down there at the Houston County Farm Center!" ======================= Charlie Platt tells us that we have a very special main event via video featuring the NWA World Champion Magnum T.A. defending against one half of the NWA World Tag Team Champions Larry Zbyzsko w/Roger Kent courtesy of NWA World Championship Wrestling so without further ado let's take you to our broadcast colleague Gordon Solie! Match #5: MAIN EVENT (From the 8/3/85 episode of NWA World Championship Wrestling) NWA WORLD TITLE MATCH: Magnum T.A.(c) vs Larry Zbyszko Give Zbyszko credit. This match is nothing like Magnum’s normal matches where he connects with the Belly to Belly in under a minute and walks away with the title. Larry is too smart for that and seems to be ready for everything T.A. throws at him. It really got dicey when you through in the fact that Roger Kirby and Harley Race came to the ring with Larry Z. At one point, when T.A. was wrestling from the top, it looked like Kirby and Race were making a plan to use their numbers to an advantage but Race seemed to shake Kirby off. Kirby shook his head yes and walked around the ring and jumped up on the apron. While this did distract the ref, nothing else seemed to happen. Kirby starts to yell at Race like Harley forgot the plan. Race points at Kirby as if to warn him not to cross the line again. WHAM…. Belly to Belly by T.A. on Larry Z. 1….2…3. As T.A. celebrates, Kirby tries sneaking up on the champ with the knunchuks. Gordon Solie: Wait a minute… Katie Bar the Door! Here comes Wahoo McDaniel and Stan Hansen. Hansen grabs the knunchuks from behind and starts to twirl them above his head. Chief and T.A. are now face to face with Kirby who looks like he has seen a ghost. Harley Race is heading to the locker room. A big right but Wahoo and Kirby is down. Kirby rolls under the bottom rope and he and Zbyszko head for the hills. Sorry folks. We are out of time.

Sorry...one more. Twin States drops Boomer Lynch and picks up Sunshine.

Sorry, this should be the last change for a bit....Twin States would like to drop Don Carson and pick up Joe Savoldi

Twin States Wrestling Houston County Farm Center Dothan, AL. Saturday August 15, 1985 Bell Time 8pm Larry Hamilton pinned Fidel Sierra with a backslide "Wildcat" Wendell Cooley/"Cowboy" Johnny Mantell defeated Mr. Pogo/Kendo Nagasaki when Mantell pinned Pogo with a sunset flip NWA U.S. Jr. Heavyweight Championship Scott Armstrong defeated Bota the Witch Doctor w/General Skandor Akbar by DQ when Akbar came in and broke up a pin after Armstrong gave Bota a super kick and looked to have the title won Bullwhip on a Pole Jerry Brisco defeated "Dirty" Dutch Mantell by forfeit when Mantell came out with his arm in a sling and took the mic claiming to be injured after "falling in the shower, I know you people in Dothan don't know what a shower is, and I don't have time to explain it to you but trust me, I'm injured and cannot compete in this match tonight which I would have surely one as I'm the master of the bullwhip on a pole match"….as Brisco turned to leave, Dutch pulled a tire iron out of his sling and knocked Brisco out from behind…..Mantell then climbed up and got his bullwhip off the pole and lashed Brisco several times before Larry Hamilton and Scott Armstrong ran down to make the save Grudge Match "Sadistic" Steve Strong w/Ron Wright defeated Brad Armstrong when the referee stopped the match due to massive blood loss from Armstrong after Wright hit him with the "chisel" behind the ref's back If the Assassins win they get a title shot next week/If they lose they must unmask The Assassins (#1/#2) defeated The Nightmares (#1/#2) w/Ron Wright when a THIRD ASSASSIN ran down and prevented the THIRD NIGHTMARE from interfering allowing Assassin #1 to get the pin on Nightmare #2!! Special Challenge Match Plowboy Frazier w/Cousin Junior pinned 'Killer' Tim Brooks w/General Skandor Akbar following a "big splash" Before the next match, Bill Dundee takes the mic and reveals that the rules of an "Australian Street Fight" dictate that the Australian team gets a 3 on 2 advantage SEMI-MAIN EVENT Australian Street Fight (Handicap Match) The Violent Gentlemen (Bill Dundee/George Barnes)/"Lumberjack" Joe LeDuc w/Gen. Skandor Akbar defeated Ron Fuller/Jimmy Golden when LeDuc pinned Fuller after he was given a spike piledriver by Barnes/Dundee…..after the match, Fuller had to be helped back to the dressing room MAIN EVENT NWA Gulf Coast Championship STEEL CAGE MATCH "Bullet" Bob Armstrong pinned "Mad Dog" Buzz Sawyer w/Ron Wright in a brutal, bloody match to win the championship!

Twin States Wrestling Episode #5 Saturday August 15, 1985 From the WTVY Ch. 4 Studio in Dothan, Alabama airing LIVE at Noon on WTVY Channel 4 and on tape on stations throughout Alabama and Mississippi at various times Host/Play by Play: Charlie Platt Co-Host/Color Commentator: Ronnie P. Gossett Interviewer/Ring Announcer: Rick Stewart (Show opens with a montage of classic Southeastern Wrestling footage with a voiceover saying "Welcome to Twin States Wrestling bringing you the best professional wrestling action from across Alabama and Mississippi sanctioned by the National Wrestling Alliance", we then go to our hosts Charlie Platt and Ronnie P. Gossett) HIGHLIGHTS/QUICK RECAP In the first segment, The Nightmares came out along with Ron Wright and bragged about beating the Invaders recently and declaring themselves the "Greatest Masked Tag Team in the history of wrestling"! This brought out the Assassins who didn't take kindly to this statement…..after some back and forth the Assassins challenged the Nightmares to a title match tonight…….the Nightmares say they haven't earned one….but they will give them a match tonight….and if the Assassins can beat them, they will get a title shot next week…..but if the Nightmares beat the Assassins they must immediately unmask! The Nightmares then laugh as Nightmare #1 says he can think of THREE reasons….the Assassins don't stand a chance! ------------------------ Match #1- The Assassins (#1/#2) defeated Ned Navarro/Sammy Hall when Assassin #2 pinned Hall after a powerslam =============== Brad Armstrong lays down a challenge to 'Sadistic' Steve Strong to take him tonight in a one on one match here in Dothan! ------------------------- Match #2- The Violent Gentlemen (Bill Dundee/George Barnes) w/General Skandor Akbar defeated Ronnie Jenkins/Randy Watson when Dundee pinned Jenkins after a 'Bombs Away' off the top rope Barnes says that Ron Fuller/Jimmy Golden are seeking revenge for them burning Robert Fuller last week….Dundee chimes in "Thanks to Bota the Witch Doctor for teaching us how to throw the fire". Barnes says if they want revenge so bad….then instead of fighting THEIR kind of match, the Southern Street Fight, this time we want OUR kind of match, an Australian Street Fight! Ron Fuller and Jimmy Golden storm the set…..Fuller says he doesn't know what the hell an Australian Street Fight is and they don't care….whatever the stipulation….sign the match and they'll kick their butts all the way back DOWN UNDER! ================== After the commercial break, "Bullet" Bob Armstrong comes out and says at long last he's been medically cleared and that after getting a win over Sawyer last week, Les Thatcher has granted him a Gulf Coast Championship match tonight here in and Dothan and to make sure that Ron Wright's "cronies" don't interfere it's going to be inside of a STEEL CAGE!! (The studio crowd roars at this announcement) =================== Match #3: "Dirty" Dutch Mantell pins Roy Munson after a reverse suplex (gourd buster) Ronnie Gossett approached Dutch after match and asked him his thoughts on being signed to take on Jerry Brisco tonight in a "Bullwhip on a pole" match. Mantell responds, "If Brisco is ignorant enough to take on "Dirty" Dutch Mantell in a bullwhip on a pole match then he's dumber than most people give him credit for and that's a helluva statement Ronnie because most folks know that even for an Indian Brisco is a flaming idiot. I'm gonna whip Brisco til he cries like I threw a dumpster full of trash on the side of the road! He doesn't stand a chance tonight!" ==================== Match #4: Scott Armstrong pinned Warren DeMontague following a superkick! Scott Armstrong says that since he and Larry Hamilton can't get anymore shots at the tag team titles even after getting screwed by this third Nightmare, he's getting a shot at the title that many people consider "his title" since he held the majority of last year and that's the US Jr title…..he's coming after Bota the Witch Doctor and he's going to take that title and then his sights are set on the NWA World Junior Heavyweight title. ===================== Match #5: MAIN EVENT "Sadistic" Steve Strong w/Ron Wright defeated Pvt. Terry Daniels by submission with a full nelson

Twin States drops Kim Duk and picks up Savio Vega

Twin States Wrestling August 3rd-7th 1985 Mississippi Loop Monday- Ripley, MS. Tuesday- Iuka, MS. Wednesday- Amory, MS. Thursday- Grenada, MS. Friday- Natchez, MS. Bobby Duncum pinned Boomer H. Lynch following a big boot to the face "Boogie Woogie Man" Jimmy Valiant defeated "Cool" Carl Fergie with a sleeper hold NWA United States Jr. Heavyweight Championship Bota the Witch Doctor w/Gen. Skandor Akbar pinned Larry Hamilton after throwing his "voo doo dust" in the eyes of Hamilton while the referee was distracted by Akbar The Assassins (#1/#2) defeated The Batten Twins (Bart/Brad) when Assassin #1 pinned Brad Batten with a powerslam SEMI-MAIN EVENT Cousin Junior defeated "Killer" Tim Brooks w/Gen. Skandor Akbar when Brooks got distracted when Plowboy Frazier came to ringside and went after Akbar who managed to run away MAIN EVENT SIX MAN GRUDGE MATCH The Violent Gentlemen/Joe LeDuc w/General Skandor Akbar defeated Ron Fuller/Jimmy Golden/Dirty Rhodes (subbing for the injured Robert Fuller) when LeDuc made Rhodes submit with an over the shoulder backbreaker Twin States Wrestling August 3rd-7th 1985 Alabama Loop Monday- Scottsboro, AL Tuesday- Centre, AL. Wednesday- Moulton, AL. Thursday- Boaz, AL. Friday- Tuscaloosa, AL. Chris Youngblood pinned Fidel Sierra with a flying cross body "Sadistic" Steve Strong w/Ron Wright defeated Frankie Lancaster with a bear hug REMATCH "Dirty" Dutch Mantell pinned Jerry Brisco with his feet on the ropes "Wildcat" Wendell Cooley/"Cowboy" Johnny Mantell defeated Kendo Nagasaki/Mr. Pogo w/Kim Duk when Cooley pinned Pogo after a running bulldog Grudge Match Brad Armstrong defeated Angel of Death w/Ron Wright by DQ when Steve Strong hit the ring and attacked Brad until Bob/Scott Armstrong hit the ring to make the save SEMI-MAIN EVENT NWA Twin States Tag Team Championship The Nightmares (#1/#2) w/Ron Wright defeated The Invaders (#1/#2) when the now infamous "Nightmare #3 came from under the ring while Ron Wright distracted the referee and switched places with Nightmare #2 and rolled up an unsuspecting Invader #1 with a handful of tights and got the pin to retain the titles MAIN EVENT LIGHTS OUT UNSANCTIONED MATCH "Bullet" Bob Armstrong w/Scott Armstrong defeated "Mad Dog" Buzz Sawyer w/Ron Wright with a sleeper hold in a brutal bloody match!

Twin States Wrestling Houston County Farm Center Dothan, AL. Saturday August 1, 1985 Bell Time 8pm "Killer" Tim Brooks w/Gen. Skandor Akbar pinned Shane Douglas after a 'brain buster' The Invaders (#1/#2) defeated The Alaskan Hunters (#1/#2) when Invader #1 pinned Hunter #2 with a cross body off the top rope NWA U.S. Jr Heavyweight Champion Bota the Witch Doctor w/Gen. Skandor Akbar pinned Pvt. Terry Daniels after a splash off the top rope The Angel of Death w/Ron Wright pinned "Wildcat" Wendell Cooley after Wright tripped Cooley and held his foot down during the pin Special Challenge Match Jerry Brisco pinned "Dirty" Dutch Mantell with an Oklahoma Roll Mantell pitched a fit and got on the mic, "Brisco, you got lucky boy! If we wrestled 50 more times you couldn't pin me a single time! Get your butt back in here, I want a rematch!" The bell rings and Jerry Brisco pinned Dutch Mantell with a school boy in 9 seconds!! Mantell grabs the mic again…."Dadgummit Brisco you know I wasn't ready that time…..get back in here and I will beat you like a red headed stepchild!" Brisco shakes his head…..and slides back in the ring Brisco sweeps Mantell's legs and locks him in a figure four leglock…..after a struggle, Mantell submits! Brisco starts up the aisle….Mantell grabs the mic…again. "Brisco, hold on….wait a minute. Listen tonight you were the better man and I'll admit that….please come back here and let me shake your hand before I head back to Mid Atlantic with my tail between my legs." Brisco hesitates…then climbs back in the ring. Mantell extends his hand and shakes Brisco's…..before kicking him right in the crotch!! Brisco is down writhing in pain on the mat, as Dutch grabs his bullwhip and lashes Brisco several times before several wrestlers hit the ring coming to Brisco's aid as Dutch powders out. Southern Street Fight The Violent Gentlemen (Bill Dundee/George Barnes) w/General Skandor Akbar defeated Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden when Barnes pinned Fuller after Akbar threw a fireball in his face! Before the next match, Les Thatcher came down and said to make sure there's no interference, while Ron Wright will be handcuffed to one corner, Bob Armstrong will be handcuffed another corner, he will also handcuff The Nightmares to a corner, Scott Armstrong/Larry Hamilton will be handcuffed to a corner….also Angel of Death will be handcuffed to the same corner as Ron Wright, and Wendell Cooley will be handcuffed to the corner with Bob Armstrong…..that way there will be NO INTERFERENCE! NWA Gulf Coast Heavyweight Championship With the 8 men handcuffed to the corners as described by Les Thatcher Brad Armstrong defeated "Mad Dog" Buzz Sawyer by DQ when Steve Strong came out of the crowd and attacked Brad Armstrong……Strong/Sawyer put a severe beatdown on Brad as Bob/Scott/Hamilton/Cooley could only watch on while handcuffed until Thatcher ran down and uncuffed them but Strong/Sawyer had already left ringside SEMI-MAIN EVENT NWA Twin States Tag Team Championship Titles vs. No More title shots for Armstrong/Hamilton The Nightmares (#1/#2) w/Ron Wright defeated Scott Armstrong/Larry Hamilton when Nightmare #2 pinned Hamilton as Nightmare #3 held down Hamilton's foot from outside the ring which was undetected by the referee MAIN EVENT NWA Twin States Heavyweight Championship "Tennessee Stud" Ron Fuller pinned The Giant Machine w/Gen. Skandor Akbar when the Machine missed an "Avalanche" splash in the corner allowing Fuller to quickly cover him for the 1-2-3 and leave ringside…after the match, Akbar berated the Giant Machine….before Machine could react Joe LeDuc, Killer Brooks, Bota the Witch Doctor, and The Violent Gentlemen hit the ring and beatdown the Giant…..with LeDuc pulling the mask off the Giant Machine revealing Plowboy Frazier

Twin States Wrestling Episode #4 Saturday August 1, 1985 From the WTVY Ch. 4 Studio in Dothan, Alabama airing LIVE at Noon on WTVY Channel 4 and on tape on stations throughout Alabama and Mississippi at various times Host/Play by Play: Charlie Platt Co-Host/Color Commentator: Ronnie P. Gossett Interviewer/Ring Announcer: Rick Stewart (Show opens with a montage of classic Southeastern Wrestling footage with a voiceover saying "Welcome to Twin States Wrestling bringing you the best professional wrestling action from across Alabama and Mississippi sanctioned by the National Wrestling Alliance", we then go to our hosts Charlie Platt and Ronnie P. Gossett) HIGHLIGHTS/QUICK RECAP Les Thatcher makes an announcement about Beach Brawl '85 on Sunday Aug 23rd in Biloxi, MS. It will feature title defenses from the NWA World Champion and the NWA World Tag Team Champions. The Violent Gentlemen (Bill Dundee/George Barnes) introduce General Skandor Akbar who says he has taken over Don Carson's stable which will serve as his brand new Devastation Incorporated and he introduces Giant Machine from the WWF as his newest charge! ===================== MATCH #1: The Invaders (#1/#2) defeated Bobby/Rocky Ewing when Invader #1 with a flying splash off the top rope ================== MATCH #2: "Dirty" Dutch Mantell pinned Ronnie Jenkins In a post match promo, Mantell says that he wants a rematch TONIGHT with Jerry Brisco because he was not prepared last time to take on someone the caliber of Brisco but he's been training all week and now he's ready to take down Brisco for sure tonight here in Dothan! ================== MATCH #3: Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden defeated Buck Spivey/Phil Wilson by pinfall after Golden gave Wilson a piledriver Fuller/Golden says tonight they want a piece of the "so called Violent Gentlemen" in a Southern Street Fight!! =================== After the commercial break, General Skandor Akbar returns to say the Violent Gentlemen have accepted the challenge of Fuller and Golden and that he has managed to get the Giant Machine a Twin States Championship match tonight against Ron Fuller! =================== MATCH #4: Twin States Tag Team Champions The Nightmares (#1/#2) w/Ron Wright defeated Randy Watson/Roy Munson when Nightmare #2 pinned Munson after a legdrop off the top rope Ron Wright says that tonight they will put the tag team titles on the line "one last time" against Scott Armstrong/Larry Hamilton….Charlie Platt interjects that it should be noted that tonight a Gulf Coast Championship match has been signed with Brad Armstrong challenging "Mad Dog" Buzz Sawyer with Bob Armstrong and Ron Wright handcuffed to the corners. Wright pitches a fit about being handcuffed tonight but the Nightmares tell him to not worry, they have his back. ===================== MATCH #5: TV MAIN EVENT Scott Armstrong/Larry Hamilton pinned The Alaskan Hunters (#1/#2) when Hamilton pinned Hunter #2 with a sunset flip Charlie Platt announces as he closes the show that next week the TV show will be pre-empted due to baseball and there will not be a show next Saturday night due to the Houston County Fair being at the Fairgrounds!

Twin States Wrestling July 27th- 31st 1985 Mississippi Loop: Monday- Greenville, MS. Tuesday- Water Valley, MS. Wednesday- Oxford, MS. Thursday- Corinth, MS. Friday- Tupelo, MS. Chris Youngblood pinned "Cool" Carl Fergie with flying crossbody "Killer" Tim Brooks w/Don Carson pinned Pvt. Terry Daniels following an elbow smash to the head "Dirty" Dutch Mantell came down to the ring (unadvertised) and said that he's "done looking for tag team partners, you can only count on yourself…so send me out an opponent!" "Dirty" Dutch Mantell pinned Mr. X in 2:25 Afterwards, Mantell got on the mic and asked, "Is that the best Twin States Wrestling has to offer? What a joke." Jerry Brisco came to ringside and said that his opponent Boomer Lynch had car trouble and can't make it tonight, "so how about we have a match?" Dutch hesitated and started to make excuses…but after the crowd started to chant "chicken, chicken" Dutch finally accepted. Jerry Brisco pinned "Dirty" Dutch Mantell in 13:55 with a small package A furious Mantell said that he "wasn't prepared to take on someone of Brisco's stature tonight, plus he had already had a match tonight, plus he had a cold, plus he had driven a long way, plus this ring has a lot of issues and doesn't feel like it meets the state athletic commission's requirements to be considered a legal regulation ring so technically tonight's result shall be stricken from the record books and if anyone here tonight speaks of this match ever again they will be sued for libel and slander!" and with that Dutch stormed out of the arena after declaring "This town sucks and you can quote me on that!" The Alaskan Hunters (#1/#2) defeated Frankie Lancaster/George South when Hunter #2 pinned South after a running powerslam NWA U.S. Jr. Heavyweight Championship Bota the Witch Doctor w/Don Carson pinned Gypsy Joe following a diving headbutt off the 2nd rope The Violent Gentlemen (Bill Dundee/George Barnes) w/Don Carson defeated The Invaders (#1/#2) when Dundee pinned Invader #1 with the 'Bombs Away' splash from the top rope SEMI-MAIN EVENT Six Man Tag Team Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden/Jimmy Valiant defeated Kim Duk/Kendo Nagasaki/Mr. Pogo when Fuller pinned Pogo after kicking him with his "loaded boot"…….after the match, Barnes/Dundee/Brooks all hit the ring on Fuller/Golden/Valiant and a wild brawl ensued….that went up the aisle and out the back door of the building into the parking lot MAIN EVENT NWA Twin States Heavyweight Championship "Tennessee Stud" Ron Fuller defeated Joe LeDuc w/Don Carson by pin fall when Carson accidently hit LeDuc with his loaded glove…..after the match, LeDuc grabbed Carson by the collar and then pressed him over his head and dropped him to the canvas….LeDuc left the ring and no one from Carson's stable came out to assist him from the ring ======================================== Twin States Wrestling July 27th- 31st 1985 Alabama Loop: Monday- Huntsville, AL. Tuesday- Florence, AL. Wednesday- Hartselle, AL. Thursday- Decatur, AL. Friday- Gadsden, AL. "Cowboy" Johnny Mantell pinned The Gladiator with a sunset flip Fidel Sierra pinned Shane Douglas with a flying knee drop from the 2nd rope The Assassins (#1/#2) defeated Dirty Rhodes/Bobby Duncum when Assassin #2 pinned Duncum following a headbutt after loading his mask "Wildcat" Wendell Cooley pinned Angel of Death w/Ron Wright after a running bulldog SEMI-MAIN EVENT NWA Twin States Tag Team Championship The Nightmares (#1/#2) w/Ron Wright defeated Scott Armstrong/Larry Hamilton when a THIRD NIGHTMARE came out from under the ring…and replaced Nightmare #1 who then rolled under the ring, Hamilton went over to pin the Nightmare who quickly rolled him up for the pin MAIN EVENT NWA Gulf Coast Heavyweight Championship "Mad Dog" Buzz Sawyer w/Ron Wright defeated Brad Armstrong w/"Bullet" Bob Armstrong by stoppage after Sawyer hit Brad with Wright's "chisel" busting Brad wide open….Bob through in the towel due to Brad's excessive blood loss

Twin States Wrestling Twin States Tag Team Title Tournament Gulf Coast Coliseum Gulfport, MS. Sunday July 26, 1985 Bell Time: 2pm Round 1: Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden defeated The Assassins (#1/#2) when Golden pinned Assassin #2 with a sunset flip The Violent Gentlemen (Bill Dundee/George Barnes) w/Don Carson defeated The Batten Twins (Bart/Brad) when Dundee pinned Brad Batten after the "Bombs Away" off the top rope The Nightmares (#1/#2) w/Ron Wright defeated The Invaders (#1/#2) when Ron Wright handed Nightmare #2 a foreign object that he slipped into his masked and headbutted Invader #1 with leading to the pin fall Scott Armstrong/Larry Hamilton defeated Kendo Nagasaki/Kim Duk when Armstrong pinned Duk when Mr. Pogo tried to interfere to help Nagasaki/Duk but accidently struck Kim Duk with his nunchuks allowing Armstrong to cover him for the pin fall NWA U.S. Jr Heavyweight Championship Bota the Witch Doctor w/Don Carson pinned Chris Youngblood after a diving headbutt off the 2nd rope TWIN STATES TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP SEMI-FINALS The Violent Gentlemen (George Barnes/Bill Dundee) w/Don Carson fought Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden to a DOUBLE DQ when the match broke down into a four way melee and the referee could not regain control NWA Gulf Coast Championship "Boogie Woogie Man" Jimmy Valiant defeated "Mad Dog" Buzz Sawyer by DQ in a reverse decision when "Bullet" Bob Armstrong came out and pointed out to the referee that Sawyer hit Valiant with a chain that was hidden under his arm…..the ref raised Sawyer's arm and the chain fell out on the mat causing the ref to reverse the decision and DQ Sawyer. INTERMISSION Meet the Twin States Champion Ron Fuller and get a picture in the ring during intermission SEMI-MAIN EVENT NWA Twin States Championship "Tennessee Stud" Ron Fuller defeated Mr. Pogo by submission with the 'Fuller Leglock' Before the next match, Les Thatcher came out and announced that due to the other semi-final match ending in a double DQ, this next match is now the FINALS of the tournament and the winners will be crowned the first ever Twin States Tag Team Champions! MAIN EVENT Twin States Tag Team Championship Semi-Finals/Finals The Nightmares (#1/#2) w/Ron Wright defeated Scott Armstrong/Larry Hamilton when #2 pinned Hamilton after Ron Wright struck him on the floor with the "chisel" busting him wide open….in a stark contrast to their recent post match temper tantrums….The Nightmares strutted around the ring sporting the brand new championship belts as the fans filed out of the building….they insisted that "We are the Champions" by Queen be played over the Arena PA system while they celebrated in the ring

Great House Show Loops here! I got side tracked and forgot to mention in my TV feedback that I love that the DJ Peterson/Mr. Magnificent issue from WWF is being carried on here! Tiger Jeet Singh shows Carlos that he's subject to turn up anywhere at anytime! Having been on a roll so far in the USWA, Flowers just can't seem to get a handle on Myers....and he may have a mental breakdown before he figures it out! Dr. Dream Machine and Tommy Rich are a '"dream team" for me! Love that pairing and they manage to get the win here thanks to the "Memphis Mafia Man"....Could there a "Memphis Mafia" forming here?? Champagne continues his winning ways....I like it! Sweet Ebony Express get a great win but suffer a beatdown from the Lone Stars....I look forward to the rematch! Tui under the guidance of Leilani Kai is dangerous enough but with Rip Morgan added to the mix, they are going to be even more formidible moving forward! The Medics beat the Grapplers with an old school Grappler tactic.....perhaps the Grapplers may have to get back to their "evil" ways to beat the Medics. Man....if you would have told me a few weeks ago that I'd be excited for a Jerry Lawler vs. Greg Gagne match I would have told you that you were crazy....but here we are...two matches with Gagne where fans had to think going in that this new heel version of Gagne just might take the strap from the King.....Arnie is not going to take kindly to the post match action from Lawler!

Twin States sends Art Crews and Ken Timbs to the USWA and picks up George South and Steve Strong

Twin States Wrestling Houston County Farm Center Dothan, AL. Saturday July 25, 1985 Bell Time 8pm The Invaders (#1/#2) wrestled The Assassins (#1/#2) to a 15 minute time limit draw NWA U.S. Jr Heavyweight Championship- Rematch Bota the Witch Doctor pinned Roy Lee Welch after a powerslam Jerry Brisco pinned Kim Duk with a small package Winning Team will be the Violent Gentlemen and Compete in tomorrow's tag title tournament, The Losing Team must split up for good SPECIAL REFEREE: Don Carson "Superstar" Bill Dundee/George Barnes defeated Art Crews/Ken Timbs when Barnes pinned Crews after a spike piledriver…..Carson raised their hands and celebrated with them. Timbs tried to join in on the celebration but was given a spike piledriver as well. Bill Dundee and George Barnes will now be known as the 'Violent Gentlemen' and will be entered into tomorrow's Twin States Tag Team title tournament "Boogie Woogie Man" Jimmy Valiant defeated "Killer" Tim Brooks w/Don Carson with the sleeper hold TAG TEAM CHALLENGE MATCH Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden defeated Kendo Nagasaki/Mr. Pogo when Golden pinned Pogo after a piledriver SEMI-MAIN EVENT 8 Man Tag Team Grudge Match Brad/Scott Armstrong/Larry Hamilton/Wendell Cooley w/Bullet Bob Armstrong defeated Buzz Sawyer/Angel of Death/The Nightmares w/Ron Wright when Brad Armstrong pinned Buzz Sawyer as Bob prevented Ron Wright from interfering MAIN EVENT NWA Twin States Championship "Tennessee Stud" Ron Fuller defeated "Canadian Lumberjack" Joe LeDuc w/Don Carson by DQ when Don Carson tripped Fuller in front of the referee…..LeDuc was furious and confronted Carson but before anything could happen…..Bill Dundee, George Barnes, and Bota hit the ring and attacked Fuller…..they beat him down for a minute or so until Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden hit the ring soon followed by Jerry Brisco and Jimmy Valiant….LeDuc didn't want to back down but was dragged away from ringside by Carson, Barnes, Bota, and Dundee.

Dr. Dream Machine kicks the show off in a huge way by running the Nightmare out of town and taking his mask!! Flowers gets another win with his innovative cutter finisher! The Sweet Ebony Express is a great new tag team but they're going to have their hands full with the Lone Stars! Steve O may be a super hero! I love it, can't wait to see where this goes The Richs feel unstoppable after running Cooley out of town....Lawler better watch his back now that they have their sights set on his title! The Vin Man pulls off the upset win in the battle royal and now has a shot at the King, Lawler better not underestimate this guy.

The move above will bring my roster to 55 Then I would like to drop Alexis Smirnoff and Chris Markoff and pick up Ted Allen and Plowboy Frazier

Twin States Wrestling Episode #1 Saturday July 25, 1985 From the WTVY Ch. 4 Studio in Dothan, Alabama airing LIVE at Noon on WTVY Channel 4 and on tape on stations throughout Alabama and Mississippi at various times Host/Play by Play: Charlie Platt Co-Host/Color Commentator: Ronnie P. Gossett Interviewer/Ring Announcer: Rick Stewart (Show opens with a montage of classic Southeastern Wrestling footage with a voiceover saying "Welcome to Twin States Wrestling bringing you the best professional wrestling action from across Alabama and Mississippi sanctioned by the National Wrestling Alliance", we then go to our hosts Charlie Platt and Ronnie P. Gossett) Platt: "Hello and welcome once again to Twin States Wrestling and we have a great show for you today as we head into a huge card tonight at the Houston County Farm Center as well as the Twin States Tag Team Title tournament tomorrow night in Gulfport, Mississippi." RPG: "You're lucky I'm even here today…..I'm still furious about last week…..that travesty that happened to Buzz Sawyer…and then the man who shouldn't have even been in the Twin States Championship tournament ended up winning it!" Platt: "Of course, Mr. Gossett is referring to the Tennessee Stud, Ron Fuller who won the tournament to become the first ever Twin States Champion…" (Before Platt can finish, George Barnes comes storming out) Barnes: "Nobody cares about that bloody yank, Ron Fuller…..I've got something huge to share with my good friend Ronnie Gossett!" Platt: "Mr. Barnes, we'll have you and Bota the Witch Doctor out here later…." RPG: "The brand new NWA U.S. Jr Champion Bota the Witch Doctor that is…." Platt: "Yes, he is the new champion…" Barnes: "Shut your mouth Charlie Platt…..I'm not out here to talk about Bota right now….I'm here to talk about the fact that after being here on the program last week and then going to all the towns with Bota….it got me fired up to get in the ring….and it got me fired up to win those Twin States Tag Team titles…..so I called my old friend and tag team partner….and told him to get his butt down to Alabama…and guess what Ronnie??" (From out of the curtain comes……..SUPERSTAR BILL DUNDEE!!) Dundee: "Hey Ronnie! Hey Georgie! (hugs Barnes) That's right baby, Georgie boy called me up out in PCW and said get down here to this Twin States outfit and we can rule this place just like old times…and here I am brother…..the Australians are ready to ride again….we're gonna win that tournament tomorrow and take those titles!" (Les Thatcher comes out) Thatcher: "Bill, it's great to have you here….you and George Barnes are one of the greatest teams to ever compete in the Southeast and throughout the world but The Assassins who will be debuting here later today took the last spot in the tag team title tournament." Barnes: "The Assassins…..the bloody Assassins haven't even been wrestling here, how do they get the spot?" Platt: "Well, you and Dundee haven't been wrestling here either." Dundee: "Shut your mouth Mr. Microphone…..what's your problem? Thatcher just said we're one of the greatest tag teams in the world, why wouldn't you want us in your tournament you goof?" Thatcher: "Listen, unless a team drops out….there's just not an open spot in the tournament." Dundee: "This is a bunch of bulls.." (Before Dundee can finish that sentence, Barnes whispers something to him and they smile and leave the desk) Platt: "Thank you Les, now let's go to the ring for the debut of 'Wildcat' Wendell Cooley!" ==================== MATCH #1: "Wildcat" Wendell Cooley pinned Fred Garvin with a running bulldog (Rick Stewart approaches Cooley as he's leaving the ring) Stewart: "Wendell, welcome back to Dothan!" Cooley: "Rick, it's darn sure good to be back here in Dothan and I'm looking to jump right into the fray here in Twin States Wrestling!" (Before Stewart can ask another question "Bad to the Bone" plays as Bob Armstrong comes out still sporting a neck brace followed by Brad Armstrong, Scott Armstrong, and Larry Hamilton….Bob shakes Cooley's hand) Bullet: "Pardon us Wendell….We're not trying to come out here and hijack the show like Barnes and Dundee…..but since you said you want to jump right into the fray….well we've got the opportunity for you to do just that. As you can tell by this brace around my neck…I'm still not cleared to wrestle yet…and tonight there's an 8 man tag team match with Buzz Sawyer, Angel of Death, and the Nightmares….against my two sons and our good friend Larry Hamilton but as you can see that leaves us one short and I would consider it a personal favor if you'd be their partner tonight here in Dothan." Cooley: "Bullet Bob….not only would I be happy to fight along side these three men…..but doing a favor for a man of your stature in this business….I'd consider it an honor….heck yeah, you can count on the 'Wildcat'!" Bullet: "I knew I could! Let's go talk some strategy." (The Armstrongs/Hamilton/Cooley all leave together) ==================== COMMERCIALS ==================== MATCH #2: The Assassins (#1/#2) defeated Ronnie Jenkins/Randy Watson when Assassin #2 pinned Jenkins after a shoulder breaker ==================== (Highlights are shown of the finals of the Twin States Championship Tournament with Ron Fuller defeating 'Killer' Tim Brooks w/Don Carson to win the Championship….Rick Stewart is then joined by "Tennessee Stud" Ron Fuller and his brother Robert Fuller) Ron: "Well, well Rick….take a look at this beautiful Twin States title belt (puts on Stewart's shoulder) Tonight, I've got to defend it against Joe LeDuc….I beat him in the tournament and I'm sure tonight I'll do it again…..that is if he doesn't get his legs broken by the figure four leglock of Jerry Brisco in today's main event here on television." (Robert grabs the mic) Robert: "I think ol' Jerry might just beat LeDuc here today and HE might end up challenging you there tonight but enough about that big brother……I told them Japanese boys last week that I was making a phone call they would regret….well I sure did and not only will the Japanese boys regret it, now everybody in that tag team title tournament will regret it because I picked up the phone and called our cousin…that's right…the one and only JIMMY GOLDEN!!" (Jimmy Golden comes out) Golden: "It's good to be back home in the south! Tonight, we're gonna beat the hell outta those Japanese guys and then tomorrow we're going to bring home the gold, baby!" Ron: "Let's get in that ring and show 'em what it's all about." --------------------------------- MATCH #3: Ron Fuller/Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden defeated Buck Spivey/Bobby & Rocky Ewing when Golden pinned Rocky Ewing after a piledriver ===================== COMMERCIALS ===================== (Don Carson and the Violent Gentlemen- Art Crews/Ken Timbs join Ronnie P Gossett at the interview area) RPG: "Don Carson, these men have a chance to win the Twin States Tag Team Championship tomorrow in Gulfport, Mississippi." (Before Carson can respond, George Barnes and Bill Dundee come storming out) Barnes: "Now hold on Ronnie….while these men are in the tournament tomorrow….they don't have any chance of winning those belts." Dundee: "Of course not Georgie, these losers couldn't even beat the Batten Twins…much less win more than one match in the same day to win a tournament." Carson: "Come on guys….this is my team….they aren't that bad." Crews: "Not that bad…that's the best you can say to defend us?" Carson: "Well, it's not like you guys have done a lot of winning here lately." Barnes: "Let's tell it like it is Don Carson….you picked a couple of losers…you gave them a cool name and come cool outfits but they can't live up to your hype." Dundee: "They do have a cool name….that should be our name Georgie…..we're much more violent gentlemen than these two losers!" Crews: "We're not losers!" Dundee: "Well, it's not hard to SAY that…..but if you're really not losers….why don't you prove it?" Crews: "How?" Barnes: "Face us…tonight in Dothan….unless you losers are scared?!?" Crews: "We aren't scared of anyone….least of all some Australian midgets!" Dundee: "Australian midgets huh? Well then I'm sure you won't mind making this interesting then. How about this? If you beat us, we'll go back to Australia and never come back to the U.S. If we beat the two of you….WE get your name the Violent Gentlemen…AND…we get your spot in the title tournament." Barnes: "and we get your manager." Timbs: "That's crazy Crews, we don't agree to that." Dundee: "Spoken like a true LOSER! Exactly what I expected! Afraid of a couple of Australian midgets!" Crews: "You're on! We accept!!" Barnes: "Perfect! See you yanks tonight!" (Barnes and Dundee leave) Carson: "Well boys, don't be like John Tatum….you better back it up tonight….either way I leave with winners….and then I'm going to leave as the manager of the brand new Twin States Champion, Joe LeDuc!! If you don't believe me….watch what he does to Jerry Brisco in this ring today!" ===================== MATCH #4: NWA U.S. Jr. Champion Bota the Witch Doctor w/Barnes & Dundee pinned "Little" Ned Navarro with a diving headbutt from the 2nd rope ===================== COMMERCIALS including tonight's card at the Houston County Farm Center Twin States Wrestling Houston County Farm Center Dothan, AL. Saturday July 11, 1985 Bell Time 8pm MAIN EVENT NWA Twin States Championship "Tennessee Stud" Ron Fuller Vs. "Big Joe LeDuc w/Don Carson SEMI-MAIN EVENT 8 Man Tag Team Grudge Match Brad/Scott Armstrong/Larry Hamilton/Wendell Cooley w/Bullet Bob Armstrong Vs. Buzz Sawyer/Angel of Death/The Nightmares w/Ron Wright TAG TEAM CHALLENGE MATCH Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden Vs. Kendo Nagasaki/Mr. Pogo "Boogie Woogie Man" Jimmy Valiant Vs. "Killer" Tim Brooks w/Don Carson Winning Team will be the Violent Gentlemen, The Losing Team must split up for good SPECIAL REFEREE: Don Carson Art Crews/Ken Timbs Vs. "Superstar" Bill Dundee/George Barnes Jerry Brisco Vs. Kim Duk NWA U.S. Jr Heavyweight Championship- Rematch Bota the Witch Doctor w/George Barnes Vs. Roy Lee Welch The Invaders (#1/#2) Vs. The Assassins (#1/#2) (CARD SUBJECT TO CHANGE) ====================== MATCH #5: "Boogie Woogie Man" Jimmy Valiant pinned "Big" Bubba Monroe with a running elbow drop (Valiant stops at the desk and grabs Charlie Platt's microphone) Valiant: "Mercy daddy! Charlie Brown….tonight tha Boogie Woogie Man is gonna step in that ring with ol' Timbo Brooks….and baby, they may call him the Killer but tonight Handsome Jimmy is gonna have all my street people right down there at the Farm Center and we're gonna kill the killer baybay…." ======================= MATCH #6: MAIN EVENT "Canadian Lumberjack" Joe LeDuc w/Don Carson pinned Jerry Brisco after three consecutive backbreakers! The fans are shocked and are almost silent after seeing LeDuc decisively defeat Brisco in less than 10 minutes RPG: "Did you see that Charlie Platt?!? You're looking at the new Twin States Champion right here in Dothan tonight!! Ron Fuller doesn't stand a chance against this monster!" Platt: "Well, the Tennessee Stud managed to defeat LeDuc in the tournament last week but it looks like the big Canadian Lumberjack is even more determined this week to take that championship belt….fans, you know what to do…get down to the box office at the Houston County Farm Center and get your tickets now, for an explosive night of Twin States Wrestling action!!" © 1985 NWA Twin States Wrestling

Twin States drops Buck Robley and picks up Johnny Mantell

Twin States drops Ron Shaw to make room for Frankie Lancaster

Larry Hamilton is also listed for the draft but is currently on the TSW roster.

I'm fine with whatever everybody wants to do, this isn't a battle I'm going to choose but as far as the argument of pushing people too soon that happens with 90% of the rookie draft wrestlers in the game...guys like Rick Rude have been used like he was 1989 Rick Rude right of the gate when he was still Rick Rood the jobber in real life. Kokina was being used as "Yokozuna" in his first six months when in real life he would have still been smaller than Samu ever was and there's literally a hundred more examples of that. Not using that as an argument of any sort but just saying if that's going to be a big consideration in decision making then we all need to keep that in mind on how we use people in the time period.

I would agree with the 'finders keepers" rule.....obviously no one was missing him so I'd say it's only fair. Plus if we officially make a "finders keepers" rule....everyone will be more motivated to do research and make sure we have everyone possible at our disposal. Just my 2 cents.