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Just watched it, really good stuff. But I don't see how it's anything special from Flair. Savage's drive was the highlight.
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Those are the only two singles between them. There were a couple tags. Pity, that.
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Interesting that the next tubby heavyweight with a push in Japan (Morishima) also is prone to bloody noses.
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Yoshihisa is underrated, IMO. I don't see much daylight between him and TK, who gets far more praise. That said this is the Han Show once again, since he's on another tier. Yoshihisa wasn't at his peak yet.
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Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
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Like with Rock vs Hogan, why the heck would it be worth putting the title in there when it won't add to the match? Whereas, having a title match between two other guys gives you three solid main events. Four if there's a seperate Taker match.
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From the '95 pimping thread... "Hansen, Kobashi & Akiyama vs Kawada, Ace & Omori, 4/15: Everyone knows the "Misawa's broken face" storyline, but "Kobashi's bad knee" was an even bigger part of the 6/9 match and that's set up here. The Kawada/Kobashi stuff rocks. Plus: grumpy Stan Hansen!" The Ace match continues it but is longer and not quite as fun.
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Even the last of the Jumbo vs Tenryu tags in '90 had Tiger Misawa and/or Kawada in there. I don't think the last Jumbo vs Tenryu match would get a huge push for Tenryu's sake; there's countless better Tenryu outings circulating now. Rating the No Fear vs FMW tag 4 1/4* based on 6 minutes of a 27 minute match... oh Dave... The bloodbath you're probably thinking of is one of the Team FMW vs Honda & Izumida bouts from early '99. I like them but they're *maybe* top 100 for the decade material. Fans vs Joe/Kikuchi is fun but 4 3/4* is insane and there were probably 150-200 better matches. It was a very deep decade, but when you remove the four corners it gets thin in a hurry.
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Looking at the ballot I did in '07, it is the ONLY match I had in the top 50 to meet this criteria. Not a heck of a lot does in general. Pretty much only going to be... -Post-Kobashi All Asia tags -Junior title matches -Gaijin vs gaijin -Jumbo vs Gaijin None of which is '90s AJ bread-and-butter. Some good matches, to be sure, but few epics.
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I watched the TV version a few weeks ago and liked it a lot, thinking I hadn't seen it before. But you prompted me to look at the Lynch catalog and I discovered I had the full version all along.
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Huh, I already have it...
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Is this from Lynch? RE the AJ Classics: there's some things that didn't air in full (and possibly at all) on TV. Nothing that's a super-duper classic but some solid stuff.
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With more sports testing for HGH, that will be the real test for WWE in the near-term. But I really do think it's a different environment than pre-Eddie, even if it's far from perfect.
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[1995-04-15-ECW-Hostile City Showdown] Eddy Guerrero vs Dean Malenko
Ditch replied to Loss's topic in April 1995
I didn't think the rest of the series was special or held up, either. Just this one. -
[1995-04-15-ECW-Hostile City Showdown] Eddy Guerrero vs Dean Malenko
Ditch replied to Loss's topic in April 1995
Easily my favorite of their series. The crowd is actively bad at times but isn't WXW levels of horrible. The second half especially feels 'big'. Interesting that the famous farewell match was actually toned down from this. Also, this match is a blueprint for sooooo many indy matches in the 2000s. -
I kinda sorta grasp the whole "wow they sure put it all out there for a whole hour" mindset, but man this match is soooooo not MOTY. I wouldn't even call it 'good'. Is there really more action than, say, the August 2/3 falls tag? Significantly more than the 6/9/95 tag? This has tons of downtime, some botches, godawful transitions, no flow, no overarching story, and they don't really accomplish much for all that effort. I can vaguely understand Tiger Mask vs Dynamite April '83 wowing a small number of WON voters and winning, but by '95... ugh. There are plenty of MOTYs that I disagree with but think the initial case made sense. This is not one of them. That it finished 15th in the DVDVR '90s joshi vote I think says a lot, considering it was one of two joshi bouts to win MOTY.
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Easy comp between Austin-era WWF and Clinton, who got face heat despite things that would have meant a heel turn in the past.
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My favorite match in the TenChono vs NJ feud was an 8-man from March 13th. Fun, heated and fast-paced. Less brawl-y than the TenChono vs HaseKen tags.
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The case I tried to make for those matches in the initial rec thread: "I'm lumping these two together because they're both good 'big match' joshi bouts, they're the last highlights for Bull Nakano, and it's teacher vs student."
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The WAR feud was non-title stuff. I'm specifically talking about the tag title division and the handful of teams that emerged during '95-'96 (mostly Hash/Hirata, TenChono and Yamazaki/Iizuka).
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This match is an interesting contrast with the AJ epic from three days earlier. Nowhere near the same quality level, but then it doesn't try to be. This marked a shift in the division towards a focus on native vs native after years of native vs power gaijin, and I hope the yearbooks get more people on board with me in saying that it's a good shift. Hirata is fine as a chunky backup to Hashimoto after years of inconsistent work under the Strong Machine mask; Hash is Hash; TenChono have come into their own a couple months into their run. Good match that started a very solid 18 month run for the division.
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To me there are degrees of piracy. PRIDE actually wanted to make money in the US and invested thusly. All Japan never did and never will. Selling PRIDE shows, which were readily available from PRIDE legally, was not cool. Selling All Japan hurt nobody. RF did a lot of both, and Gabe is trying to wave it off by just referencing the latter. I'll probably be interviewing Gabe later in the month. I'll... probably not bring the issue up since I doubt he'd give a different answer.
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God no. They went like 38 once, and another time had a double-KO draw. Also, I gotta say that using the ironman stip somewhat feels like cheating....
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Look at the 'comments from WO columnists' thread.
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It came just short. From Japan: Chono & Tenzan vs Nakanishi & Nishimura, 6/5/02 Nagata vs Chono, 10/26/02 Kanemura & Kuroda vs Ikeda & Sugiura, 1/31/03 (untaped) Nagata vs Nakanishi, 3/9/03 Kojima vs Nakamura, 3/26/05 Shingo Takagi vs BB Hulk, 6/29/08 Suwama vs Kea, 8/31/08 Marufuji vs KENTA, 10/25/08 Gentaro vs Sawa, 12/29/09 (61 minutes) edit: Several battle royals have, so they count? There was an 8-man tag on a small IWA-MS show in like 2005 that went 60+. Pretty sure it had Jamie Noble in it. Pretty sure Maekawa vs Momoe Nakanishi on 10/24/01 went 60.