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I think Santo is absolutely immune to reevaluation, to the point that I bet he made it at least 1 Number 1.

Sometimes I wonder if I ranked Casas low. Which is almost impossible. Almost.

I'm much higher on Lesnar's first run than his second one.

Lesnar benefits from several things:1)WWE 2)recency bias 3)uniqueness I didn't rank him. The long term damage of having him work versus Angle is showing now. He makes people feel something in an age where it's hard for people to feel anything. He feels special in a world where nothing else does. That says a hell of a lot more about the world than it does about him. He certainly didn't make my list.

I have Casas over someone I never thought would move from his spot. Every match is such a joy. I watched this yesterday (excuse the 1.5 speed and note that I am taking life and limb in hand by posting it because it may freeze my account here). Look at that use of the cameraman. Just a random match lost to the annals of time and look at that! You find stuff like that in almost any Casas match from almost any era.

I think Lesnar and Michaels will be very high. 20s high.

With Owen, I'd say that people, in general, value his earlier workrate stuff less and his later character-driven stuff more relative to 2006.

I went #10 on Virus, and I think people could find that just as dubious as someone going #10 on Owen, so I'm hardly in a place to talk (even if I think there's a much stronger case for Virus).

I've got ~41 left which isn't so bad considering how goofy my list is.

The Sarge Peak Matches argument was strong, especially because it can be said in 2-3 sentences. I was not expecting Martel to end with "I've never seen a great Martel Brawl." but I'm not sure. I need to rewatch some things. In my mind the Funk WWC match is 10 minutes of stalling and then brawling, but I don't think it is. I need to rewatch the comebacks in the Sheepherders matches. There weren't any brawls after the AWA bloody Freebirds Martel angle? I guess that I'm immediately not sure, that's an issue, but I'm not sure that'd affect my rating anyway relative to other things.

I guess it depends on if you did your list based on in-ring work alone, or included the other aspects of being a great wrestler. I thought of his ability to connect with the audience and amazing promo skills. I ranked him higher than this. He does have great matches as well, so I wouldn't say he's "way too high" yet... Just my opinion... I feel like this might distract from the broader issue at hand. Let's say Punk gets 100 votes. From the discussion we've had here, I could see 10 of those factoring in his promos, maybe less. That goes back to the anonymity and latecomers, of course, but the wild majority of people voting in this process indicated here that they were voting on ringwork based on footage alone. I think it's more productive to look at what in ring aspects people might have voted Punk this high on.

Big jump on the list as we have our first person with over 100 ballots.

I nominate Steven to be the one to tell Han that his hair is goofy.

That Kennedy steel cage match is so tremendously bad too. Tremendously.

I think that's part of it, but Muto also had the American run that is remembered pretty well. I wouldn't be surprised if we got some ballots with him as the only Japanese guy. I can't imagine something like that.

That might be the most brilliant explanation for Angle that I've ever read. Tip 'o the cap to you, sir. Sounds like a great candidate for someone's favorite wrestler. Not quite sure what he's doing here, though. To be fair that could describe Terry Funk or Dick Murdoch just as easily. Funk or Murdoch ain't going home in a cab. They'd either drive themselves home or get hauled into the local jail to sleep it off following a brawl with the entire town's police force. Funk would get out of the jail stay too, because he'd be selling so fucking well that the cops would be completely fooled.

That might be the most brilliant explanation for Angle that I've ever read. Tip 'o the cap to you, sir. Sounds like a great candidate for someone's favorite wrestler. Not quite sure what he's doing here, though.

But often used it for evil.

I sure as hell blame you. Me too at this point. Especially since Raven deserved a much higher spot from me. I should have had Nash at 100. Hey, maybe his TNA years will convince me to do it for 2026… probably not. Now I'm just sitting back and enjoying people getting mad a Kurt Angle making it this far. I didn't even vote for the guy, but I feel kinda vindicated. Now you know how I feel about Hogan/Piper/Dusty making the top 100 people. Except for the things that got Dusty/Piper/Hogan on the list are the very things that Angle lacks.

If your friend is going to wax poetic about the "greatness" of Kurt Angle then tell him no. I'm at least glad Angle didn't make the top 50. So it looks like the answer is "no, it's not safe". Got it. Back to my WWE loving hole in the ground. Can I interest you in my pamphlet about Mark Henry?

This is one of those things I'm curious to what wrestlers, or types of wrestlers, we see having opinions either improved or lessen. Like what sort of acts that didn't do well on the list are we likely to see people talk about? I don't know, food for thought? Maybe not even that. Right? Like Blade Runner being slaughtered in 1982, now considered a classic. Who might be the "genius who wasn't acknowledged in his own time"? Will footage emerge to reveal someone we hadn't thought about to be a complete master, and who might that be? Which one or ones of the guys we revere today will be cast aside by 2026? How high will the Miz get?

Just spoke about this on the next two hours we did, but I think the traditional iconic image of Blue Panther doesn't quite hold up. On the other hand, I think what we have had since 06 (and OTHER things we see before that in new or relooked at footage) is actually superior in a lot of ways to the traditional iconic image of Blue Panther. That's what people were voting for back in 06 though, I think, an"idea" of Blue Panther.

Angle down, let's move on to Michaels?

Better than Blue Panther, folks. The unruly horde has spoken.

I think ultimately this is match that if you read a play-by-play account it would come off better than it was in reality. The overarching narrative is that Dean will sink just as low as Triple H to accomplish his goals which starts with a series of eye pokes early in the contest and culminates with a exchange of low blows going into the finish. They also feature a call back to the Roadblock match finish where Dean barely gets into the ring to avoid a count out and Hunter goes right to the pedigree. All in all from a lay out perspective, I think the match was constructed well (although the headlock as a control tool for Dean is ill fitting). The issue is one of execution as Triple H especially seems almost casual doing certain things like side side stepping a corner charge or tossing Ambrose out of the ring. It keeps gear of the match too low to pull off a vibe that would work with Dean being frantic and keeping Hunter off balance. I don't think Matt should watch it. Tip to fan cam guys. No one wants to see you and your friends, keep the camera on the action. Keep the ring in frame. I feel like this should be an alternative to star ratings. "Should Matt watch it or not?" Thanks.