Tim Cooke Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Two categories: What ______ has What is available on tape but we don't have yet -------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Cooke MX vs. Fantastics (2/28/88 - NWA) * There are three versions of this. The first is the very JIP version that aired on 3/19 on WTBS. The second is the more complete version which aired on Pro on 3/12 and showed almost 25 minutes. The third is from the Wrestling Network in Florida which showed footage not shown in the NWA versions but only showed a total of 22 minutes. The best is the Pro version but the only person with a decent copy is Tabe and even his dubs of the match are rough. i have all 3. MX vs. Fantastics (3/27/88 - NWA) * I have it. MX vs. Fantastics (4/26/88 - NWA) * Two versions of this. The first aired 5/14 on Worldwide. I got it from Lynch who taped it right from TV. 23 minutes of 53 minutes in perfect quality. The WTBS version (5/22) is JIP and airs like 6 minutes. MX vs. Fantastics (6/10/88 - NWA - 2/3 Falls) * This aired on Fox 29 in Houston to promote the GAB stop that summer. I have a copy, which I got from Warburton, but it is VG- at best. Still fun though. MX vs. Fantastics (7/10/88 - NWA) * Great American Bash - PPV version is complete. MX/Cornette vs. Fantastics (8/27/88 - NWA) * Bunkhouse match from Pro. MX v Fantastics (10/15/88 - NWA) * Handheld which goes 9 1/2 minutes and is nothing to go out of your way for. That pretty much covers their 1988 run in the NWA or everything that is worth seeing. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 From Mid-South for our consideration. I am not saying we should use all these or that they are good. I just think we need to keep in mind that they are at our disposal. Once we decide on which ones to use, we need to decide if we have the best VQ possibl or if we should pursue them elsewhere. I would also like to find out the dates if possible. (we all have these)... Vol. 1 Disc 1 Midnight Express v Fantastics-No DQ-Cornette in a mask Vol. 1 Disc 2 Slater/Buzz Sawyer v Fantastics Vol. 2 Disc 1 Fantastics v Jake Roberts/Williams Vol. 2 Disc 2 Midnight Express v Fantastics (two matches) Vol. 3 Disc 2 Guerreros v Fantastics R&R v Fantastics v Midnites v Guerreros Vol. 4 Disc 1 Dirty White Boys v Fantastics Vol. 4 Disc 2 Fantastics video Fantastics v Dundee/Mantel(w Eddie) Vol. 5 Disc 1 Fantastics v Sawyer/Slater Vol. 6 Disc 1 Fantastics v Sheepherders Sheepherders run in on Fantastics Sheeps/Victory (w Maxine) v Fantastics/Taylor Crockette Cup Hilites/ Fants v Sheeps* (does a full or longer version of this match exist anywhere? ) Midnights v Fantastics Vol. 6 Disc 2 Fantastics v Sheepherders Fantastics v Sheeps *(quad juice) lowlights ( on the tape, the announcers showed highlights but said it was too bloody to show on natl. tv. another one we have to find complete) Vol. 7 Disc 1 Barbed Wire Cage-Sheeps/Victory v Fants/Taylor Gilbert/Sting v Fants Vol. 7 Disc 2 Fantastics v Tatum/Victory Eddie/Sting v Fants Vol. 8 Disc 1 Fantastics* v FreeBirds(& Angel. of Death) Fantastics/Link v Sting/Steiner/Eddie-Losers valet must be painted yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 From the AJPW match list at tOA: 08/19/90 Fantastics vs. Embry & Charland ***1/4 09/23/90 Fantastics vs. Malenko & Kikuchi ****3/4 09/23/90 Kobashi & Ace vs. Fantastics (All Asia) ***1/2 07/07/91 Fantastics v Kroffat & Furnas **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 They had a short stint in Memphis and I have most of that on videotape. They had longer runs in WCCW and Mid South, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Some World Class matches I found at Obsessed with Wrestling results page. There has to be more than this but it is a start... The Fantastics (Fulton & Rogers) vs. Kelly Kiniski & El Diablo -October 27, 1984 The Fantastics vs. Koko Ware & Norvell Austin (14:00)-November 22, 1984 The Fantastics vs. The Midnight Express (Eaton & Condrey)-December 25, 1984 The Fantastics vs. The Midnight Express (Eaton & Condrey)-January 28, 1985 The Fantastics vs. The Midnight Express in a "two ring no DQ" match for the held-up American Tag Title -May 5, 1985 The Fantastics vs. Rip Oliver & Kelly Kiniski in two/three falls -July 4, 1985 The Fantastics vs. John Tatum & Dave Peterson -2nd Cotton Bowl Extravaganza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 The WCCW MX/Fantastics series is complicated because of a lack of dates. 12/25/84 has the Fants retaining the American Tag Team Titles. I have this. 1/28/85 has the MX winning the American Tag Team Titles. I have this. I also have 2 matches from February - April 1985 because the MX are the champions. Barnett American Classics Volume (forget the volume right now) has a 2/3 falls match between the two teams. I don't have it but have seen it. I can't place a date because I forget the outcome. My guess is it was during the MX reign. The 5/5/85 match sucks as it is two rings and generally a mess with little heat. Tommy Rogers vs. Koko Ware from Memphis 1983 is an interesting match as they work it face vs. face and do lots of "technical" wrestling as opposed to the Memphis brawling. Koko busts out 5 different suplexes and bumps really well. On the other hand, Tommy Rogers vs. Bill Dundee from 1983 Memphis is disappointing. I think I have their whole Japan stint (TV, comms, and Handheld) somewhere. I'll look for it. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Every Fantastics match Warburton has on his list: Fantastics v John Tatum & Jack Victory (#14 World Class Ft. Worth 2/88) Fantastics & Duggan v Hercules, DiBiase & Doc (#17 Mid South 10/84-11/84) Fantastics v Ivan & Nikita Koloff (#31 UWF 05/86-08/86) Fantastics v Sheepherders (#31 UWF 05/86-08/86) Fantastics v John Tatum & Jack Victory (#31 UWF 05/86-08/86) Fantastics & Missing Link v Gilbert, Tatum & Sting (#31 UWF 05/86-08/86) Fantastics v Eddie Gilbert & Sting (#31 UWF 05/86-06/86) Fantastics v Eddie Gilbert & Sting (#31 UWF 05/86-06/86) Fantastics v Jake Roberts & Kelly Kiniski (#45 WCCW 11/84-12/84) Fantastics v Sheepherders (#46 UWF 04/86-05/86) Fantastics v Bulba & Mendoza (#46 UWF 04/86-05/86) Fantastics & Terry Taylor v Sheepherders & Jack Victory (#46 UWF 04/86-05/86) Fantastics v Sheepherders (#46 UWF 04/86-05/86) Fantastics v Pat Rose & ?? (#65 Mid South 08/85-09/85) Fantastics v Pat Rose & Jerry Gray (#65 Mid South 08/85-09/85) Fantastics v Bob Sweetan & Steve Williams (#65 Mid South 08/85-09/85) Fantastics v Dutch Mantel & Bill Dundee (#65 Mid South 08/85-09/85) Fantastics v Midnight Express (#67 WCCW 04/85-05/85) Fantastics v Midnight Express (#67 WCCW 04/85-05/85) Fantastics v Rip Oliver & Jack Victory (#67 WCCW 04/85-05/85) Fantastics v Kelly Kiniski & Jack Victory (#68 WCCW 06/85-07/85) Fantastics v Midnight Express (#69 WCCW 02/85-03/85) Fantastics v Rip Oliver & Kelly Kiniski (#69 WCCW 02/85/03/85) Fantastics v Midnight Express (#69 WCCW 02/85-03/85) Fantastics v Larry Clark & Jerry Gray (#71 Mid South 09/85-10/85) Fantastics v Steve Williams & Ted DiBiase (#71 Mid South 09/85-10/85) Fantastics v Bill Dundee & Dutch Mantel BULLWHIP ON A POLE MATCH (#71 Mid South 09/85-10/85) Fantastics v Buzz Sawyer & Dick Slater (#74 Mid South 10/85-11/85) Fantastics v Dennis Condrey & Krusher Kruschev HAIR v FLAG MATCH (#83 Mid South 08/84-09/84) Fantastics v Crews & Barber (#83 Mid South 08/84-09/84) Fantastics v Buddy Landell & Krusher Kruschev (#83 Mid South 08/84-09/84) Fantastics v Sheepheders (#92 Memphis 11/85-01/86) Fantastics v Tom Pritchard & Pat Rose (#92 Memphis 11/85-01/86) Fantastics v Pat Rose & Invader (#92 Memphis 11/85-01/86) Fantastics v Pat Rose & The Spoiler (#92 Memphis 11/85-01/86) Fantastics v Dutch Mantel & Tony Falk (#92 Memphis 11/85-01/86) Fantastics v Pat Rose & Tony Falk (#92 Memphis 11/85-01/86) Fantastics & Duggan v Midnight Express & Jim Cornette (#95 Wrestling's Best #6) Fantastics v Midnight Express (#105 WCCW 01/86-02/86) Fantastics v Steve Regal & Jack Victory (#107 WCCW Ft Worth) Fantastics v MOD Squad (#108 Memphis 01/86-03/86) Fantastics v Dick Slater & Buzz Sawyer (#109 Mid South 01/86-02/86) Fantastics v Chavo & Hector Guerrero v Midnight Express v Rock & Roll Express (#113 Mid South 03/85) Fantastics v Raider & Brown (#114 Mid South 07/85-08/85) Fantastics v Pat Rose & Tom Pritchard (#114 Mid South 07/85-08/85) Fantastics v Rip Oliver & Kelly Kiniski (#134 WCCW Ft Worth 07/85) Fantastics v Taras Bulba & Gustavo Mendoza (#137 UWF Power Pro/WWA/Florida/Hawaii/WCCW) Fantastics v Midnight Express (#137 UWF Power Pro/WWA/Florida/Hawaii/WCCW) Fantastics v Dutch Mantel & Bill Dundee (#138 Florida/Power Pro/Hawaii 03/86-04/86) Fantastics & Terry Taylor v Sheepheders & Jack Victory BARBED WIRE CAGE MATCH (#187 Wrestling's Best #10) Fantastics v Fabulous Ones (#187 Wrestling's Best #10) Fantastics v Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard #187 Wrestling's Best #10) Fantastics v Sheepherders (#187 Wrestling's Best #10) Fantastics v Midnight Express (#194 Central States 04/85-05/85) Fantastics v John Tatum & Jack Victory (#211 UWF 10/86-11/86) Fantastics v John Tatum & Jack Victory (#211 UWF 10/86-11/86) Fantastics v Crews & Mendoza (#211 UWF 10/86-11/86) Fantastics v Michael Hayes & Buddy Roberts (#211 UWF 10/86-11/86) Fantastics v Sting & Rick Steiner (#215 UWF Power Pro 11/86-12/86) Fantastics v Mike George & Crews (#215 UWF Power Pro 11/86-12/86) Fantastics v Jack Victory & Mike George (#215 UWF Power Pro 11/86-12/86) Fantastics v Eddie Gilbert & Sting (#220 UWF 12/86-01/87) Fantastics & Steve Williams v Michael Hayes, Buddy Roberts & Terry Gordy (#220 UWF 12/86-01/87) Fantastics v Eddie Gilbert & Sting (#220 UWF 12/86-01/87) Fantastics & Chavo Guerrero v Jack Victory, Mike George & Crews (#239 UWF Power Pro 01/87-02/87) Fantastics & Terry Taylor v Sheepherders & Jack Victory (#244 Wrestling's Best #18) Fantastics v Chavo & Hector Guerrero (#282 Mid South 01/85-02/85) Fantastics v Iceman Parsons & Buddy Roberts (#292 Puerto Rico 01/88-02/88) Fantastics v Doug Somers & Texas Jack (#320 Florida 08/87-09/87) Fantastics v Apollo & Tony Falk (#329 WCCW 12/87-01/88) Fantastics v John Tatum & Jack Victory (#329 WCCW 12/87-01/88) Fantastics v Atkinson & Gene Ligon (#334 NWA TBS #4 02/88-03/88) Fantastics v Chris Champion & Sean Royal (#338 NWA TBS 07/88-08/88) Fantastics & Solomon Grundy v John Tatum, Jack Victory & Thing (#339 WCCW 02/88-03/88) Fantastics v Art Pritts & Bear Collie (#343 NWA TBS #5 04/88-05/88) Fantastics v Rick Steinborn & Martin (#343 NWA TBS #5 04/88-05/88) Fantastics v Watson & Stevens (#343 NWA TBS #5 04/88-05/88) Fantastics v Aumen & Price (#343 NWA TBS #5 04/88-05/88) Fantastics v Steinborn & Star (#349 NWA TBS #6 06/88-07/88) Fantastics v Grappler & Joe Cruz (#349 NWA TBS 06/88-07/88) Fantastics v Warlord & Ivan Koloff (#353 NWA TBS #7 07/88-08/88) Fantastics v Scott & Price (#353 NWA TBS #7 07/88-08/88) Fantastics v El Diablo & Kelly Kiniski (#360 WCCW 08/84-11/84) Fantastics v El Diablo & Dell Veasy (#360 WCCW 08/84-11/84) Fantastics v PYT Express (#372 WCCW 11/84) Fantastics v Jones & Steele (#380 NWA TBS #9 10/88-12/88) Fantastics v Randy Mulkey & Mike Jackson (#391 NWA TBS #10 12/88-01/89) Fantastics v Original Midnight Express (#391 NWA TBS #10 12/88-01/89) Fantastics v Original Midnight Express (#391 NWA TBS #10 12/88-01/89) Fantastics v Steve Williams & Mike Rotunda (#391 NWA TBS #11 01/89-02/89) Fantastics v Tommy Angel & Riddle (#411 NWA '88) Fantastics & Rock & Roll Express v Rotunda, Steiner, Ivan Koloff & Russian Assassin (#411 NWA '88) Fantastics v Ringlords (#468 Five Star Wrestling 04/90) Fantastics v Wolfe & Nation (#468 Five Star Wrestling 04/90) Fantastics v Steve Pritchard & Mike Jackson (#468 Five Star Wrestling 04/90) Fantastics v Horowitz & Williams (#478 NWA TBS #26 07/90-09/90) Fantastics v Doom (#478 NWA TBS #26 07/90-09/90) Fantastics v Stan Lane & Jim Cornette (#546 TWA/South Atlantic/ICW) Fantastics & Jackie Fulton v Joel Deaton, Billy Black & Jimmy Golden (#600 SMW 03/21/92-04/11/92) Fantastics v Mike Jackson & Steve Pritchard (#640 NWF 06/92/Heritage '89) Fantastics v Brett Sawyer & Sam Houston (#640 NWF 06/92/Heritage '89) Fantastics v Paul Orndorff & Paul Roma (#833 WCW TV Fall '94) Fantastics v Steven Regal & Bobby Eaton (#892 WCW #61 03/95-07/95) Fantastics & Brad Armstrong v Larry Zbyszko, Rick Steiner & Al Perez (#940 NWA Philly 1988-1989) Fantastics v Original Midnight Express (#940 NWA Philly 1988-1989) Fantastics v Bill Dundee & Dutch Mantel POLE MATCH(#1025 USWA comm releases) Fantastics v Owens & Siegel (#1036 Mid South 06/23/84-08/11/84) Fantastics v Bob Orton & Pat Rose (#1036 Mid South 06/23/84-08/11/84) Fantastics v Veasy & Brickhouse Brown (#1036 Mid South 06/23/84-08/11/84) Fantastics v Pat Rose & Hans Schroeder (#1036 Mid South 06/23/84-08/11/84) Fantastics v Owens & Jim Horton (#1036 Mid South 06/23/84-08/11/84) Fantastics v Steve Williams & Gino Hernandez (#1078 Mid South Power Pro 09/23/84-10/13/84) Fantastics v Tony Falk & Taras Bulba (#1327 Memphis 11/16/85-12/14/85) Fantastics v Jerry Garman & Benny Traylor (#1327 Memphis 11/16/85-12/14/85) Fantastics v Paul Brown & Raider (#1568 Mid South Houston 07/85-08/85) Fantastics v Pat Rose & Tom Pritchard (#1568 Mid South Houston 07/85-08/85) Fantastics v Pat Rose & Tom Pritchard (#1568 Mid South Houston 07/85-08/85) Fantastics, Koko Ware & Scott Casey v Bulba, Morgan, Falk & Rose (#1618 Memphis TV 01/11/86) Fantastics v Undertakers (#1620 Memphis TV 02/01/86) Fantastics v Midnight Express 2/3 FALLS (#1798 WCCW 06/08/85-06/15/85) Fantastics v Mike Davis & Tommy Lane (#1837 WCCW Ft Worth 11/86-01/87) Fantastics v Peterson & Tatum (#1856 WCCW 09/28/85-11/01/85) Fantastics v Sting & Eddie Gilbert 2/3 FALLS (#1883 UWF Houston 10/86-11/86) Fantastics v Ray Mendoza & The Libyan (#1897 UWF Houston 06/86-07/86) Fantastics v Rick Steiner & Buzz Sawyer (#1898 UWF Houston 05/86-06/86) Fantastics v Dale Veasy & Don Sanders (#1911 Mid South 09/84) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Wow, this is excellent. Going through it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Fantastics & Duggan v Hercules, DiBiase & Doc (#17 Mid South 10/84-11/84) Tim: I want to see this as Duggan v DiBiase is money and the Fantastics added means it shouldn't be less than good. Fantastics v Ivan & Nikita Koloff (#31 UWF 05/86-08/86) Tim: Need this yesterday. Fantastics v Dutch Mantel & Bill Dundee (#65 Mid South 08/85-09/85) Tim: If this is the pole match on the Barnett series, it is very disappointing Fantastics v Bill Dundee & Dutch Mantel BULLWHIP ON A POLE MATCH (#71 Mid South 09/85-10/85) Tim: I take back the above. This is the disappointing match, I haven't seen the one above. Fantastics v Dennis Condrey & Krusher Kruschev HAIR v FLAG MATCH (#83 Mid South 08/84-09/84) Tim: Watts liked this stipulation. Krusher worked so well with Horner and Armstrong in late 86 that I can't imagine this wouldn't be good. Fantastics v Buddy Landell & Krusher Kruschev (#83 Mid South 08/84-09/84) Tim: Another one I want. Fantastics v Chavo & Hector Guerrero v Midnight Express v Rock & Roll Express (#113 Mid South 03/85) Tim: This is so disappointing if you are a Fantasics or Guerreros fan. Fantastics v Michael Hayes & Buddy Roberts (#211 UWF 10/86-11/86) Tim: Even without Gordy, Hayes and Roberts should be able to hold up their end of the deal well enough Fantastics v Original Midnight Express (#391 NWA TBS #10 12/88-01/89) Tim: This is JIP and not too good. Fantastics & Rock & Roll Express v Rotunda, Steiner, Ivan Koloff & Russian Assassin (#411 NWA '88) Tim: Has anyone seen this? Fantastics v Ringlords (#468 Five Star Wrestling 04/90) Fantastics v Wolfe & Nation (#468 Five Star Wrestling 04/90) Fantastics v Steve Pritchard & Mike Jackson (#468 Five Star Wrestling 04/90) Tim: These are from the South Carolina promotion they worked in early 1990. I believe it is the Bobby and Jackie team. Fantastics v Horowitz & Williams (#478 NWA TBS #26 07/90-09/90) Fantastics v Doom (#478 NWA TBS #26 07/90-09/90) Tim: Bobby and Jackie team.... Fantastics v Stan Lane & Jim Cornette (#546 TWA/South Atlantic/ICW) Tim: Comedy, well done but the rube Philly crowd cheers the MX and boo's the Fants....things don't change. Fantastics & Jackie Fulton v Joel Deaton, Billy Black & Jimmy Golden (#600 SMW 03/21/92-04/11/92) Tim: Have not seen this yet but I saw the TV the week after and the final minute looked good. Fantastics v Mike Jackson & Steve Pritchard (#640 NWF 06/92/Heritage '89) Fantastics v Brett Sawyer & Sam Houston (#640 NWF 06/92/Heritage '89) Tim: I would like to see both of these. Fantastics & Brad Armstrong v Larry Zbyszko, Rick Steiner & Al Perez (#940 NWA Philly 1988-1989) Tim: Handheld, can barely see the action from the bad angle. Fantastics v Original Midnight Express (#940 NWA Philly 1988-1989) Tim: Handheld, nothing worth going out of your way for. Fantastics v Midnight Express 2/3 FALLS (#1798 WCCW 06/08/85-06/15/85) Tim: There it is. The date would say the Fantastics had won the titles back, which would make sense if I am remembering the finish correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I went through McAdam's page to see if he had any matches Warburton didn't. He only had a few, but he did have some. Fantastics & Steve Simpson v Eric Embry & The RPMs SCAFFOLD MATCH (J1096, Matches From 1983-1988) Fantastics v Rock & Roll Express (04/01/89 - J1116, Matches From 1986-1989) Fantastics v Chris Adams & Gino Hernandez (J1730, WCCW Ft Worth 1985) Fantastics v John Tatum & The Grappler TORNADO MATCH (J1731, WCCW Ft Worth 1985) Fantastics v Al Madril & Brian Adias (J1805, WCCW 1986-1987) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 "Fantastics v Rock & Roll Express (04/01/89 - J1116, Matches From 1986-1989)" Disappointing. Held in Costa Rica and just not a good match from either team. Bad handheld camera angle as well. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 How is the Flair/Tommy Rogers match from Georgia? Have you seen it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Got it from Tabe a few years back. 4:30 squash. Rogers gets a dropkick in. Flair brings out some good moves but it isn't any better than the average Flair on WTBS squash. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 From Universal Wrestling: Fantastics v Steve Williams & Jake Roberts (04/14/85, House Shows Vol 29) Fantastics v Midnight Express (06/30/85, House Shows Vol 55) Fantastics v Dirty White Boys (06/30/85, House Shows Vol 58) Fantastics v Eddie Gilbert & Jerry Gray (07/28/85, House Shows Vol 63) Fantastics v Bill Dundee & Dutch Mantel (08/09/85, House Shows Vol 67) Fantastics v Bill Dundee & Dutch Mantel (09/22/85, House Shows Vol 74) Fantastics v Dick Slater & Buzz Sawyer (10/27/85, House Shows Vol 81) Some of these are probably repeats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted May 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I want the DWB match because their TV studio match was excellent. That Jake/Williams might be on Barnett's. Same with Dundee/Mantel and Slater/Sawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 From the AJPW match list at tOA: 09/23/90 Fantastics vs. Malenko & Kikuchi ****3/4 09/23/90 Kobashi & Ace vs. Fantastics (All Asia) ***1/2 I can't speak for the other two matches but I have these and they should definitely be included, esp. the Kikuchi/Malenko match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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