Tim Cooke

This isn't fair. Today I choose Tamura but tomorrow it could be Han. Probably could go back and forth every day over a 365 day period. I think if you value carrying limited to no skill kickboxers, low end pro wrestlers, and being absolutely dynamic with his high spot (on the mat and on his feet), Han is the answer. I think if you value making a worked match look real and having legit standing and ground skills, the answer is Tamura. Both are amazing. Both are easy top 50 for me.

They are pushing a sit down interview which is going to air after Rampage on Friday at 11 as one of the regular countdown shows. That could mean he's not live for either show, they could pick one over the other, or do both. My guess is he is on tonight and maybe they air a preview of the sit down interview from the Friday Night Special on Rampage to get you to stay with the countdown show.

Rewatched the Punk vs. Roderick Strong (07/09/05) ROH match a few weeks ago and it still holds up. Maybe my favorite "Summer of Punk 2005" singles match.

Remember that Punk’s lawsuit wasn’t settled when AEW started. That was definitely one reason he wasn’t on board at the beginning. Probably plenty of other reasons as well.

That was the best Jericho performance in AEW. Looked invigorated. A nice surprise.

Doesn't feel like that was 10+ years ago!

A few of my favorites: 3/19/88 (taped 3/12) MX vs. Fantastics (WCW Pro) 3/12/94 Ricky Steamboat vs. Steve Austin (WCWSN) 5/28/94 Steven Regal vs. Larry Zbyszko (WCWSN) 10/20/97 Chris Benoit vs. Eddy Guerrero (Nitro) 12/15/97 Rey Jr./Juventud Guerrera vs. La Parka/Psicosis (Nitro) 5/1/04 Jamie Noble vs. Rey Misterio Jr. (WWE Velocity) 6/23/05 Eddy Guerrero vs. Rey Jr. (WWE Smackdown)

Chris Adams has the 1998 Glacier WCWSN matches, which are better than Rollins best TV matches. Easy choice here.

Ah, okay. I believe that's a WWF tag team structure problem. Wouldn't hold one year of those over 10-15 high end southern tags from Arn

If we were looking at this from a Baseball WAR standpoint, Jericho was way more valuable than Windham, even if there is no doubt who had the better tools. If it was just a 2-4 year gap, I could argue for the better tools guy being more valuable but this is 1983-2003 for Windham and 1990-present for Jericho. Jericho takes that. Maybe the more interesting question is when did both guys become replacement level? For Windham that is 1993, but 10 solid years. For Jericho, at least in the ring, that was probably 1997 to sometime around 2010-2012, but Jericho also has done really well in AEW from a drawing perspective and helping the company solidify itself. So still Jericho if that is the main factor. Who am I voting higher? Windham, since I'm not worried about getting wins.

"working as a babyface in a tag match as a heel and having the face work the heel spots for comedy" Can you give one or more match examples where this happens?

Maybe I need to move this to the Rey thread but I'm interested in how Rey doesn't make a list when 66% of the list is going to be Lucha guys.

“Flair is great” ”Flair is stupid” I don’t care to go down Flair vs Bret again and don’t have a horse in the race. But it’s hard to say those two things above and try to have a reasonable debate on which guy is better.

They did a lot of things right in this match. Wargames 1992 is a top 10 match of all time for me. 1994 and the original 1987 fantastic matches as well. This didn't reach those heights but it came damn close especially in 2021. Sammy starting the five minute period was absolutely the right call and that segment felt like a blend of the old school and new school coming together. Rope tricks, when they make sense, which was the case here, can really elevate something stupid like a flying cutter. A tad disappointed that they didn't pull a few more general spots: Double submission move Head between rings A 2021 version of the Steamboat/Rude rana from 1992 But overall, I really enjoyed this. I enjoyed the Road To segment where they hit the WCW nostalgia hard and that sits well with me as a WCW fan.