Slasher Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 MNM looks more of the consummate team. I'm sorry but I would put them over London/Spanky any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianChick Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I'm not discounting MNM in the slightest, but as faces? They are great looking heels. In more ways than one, they remind me of Edge and Christian. The only way they remind me of the Hardys is because they have Melina. If we are ripping off a successful idea, I don't see how MNM are similar to the Hardys at all. And remember: Edge and Christian were an important reason why Hardys were over. For London and Spanky to be successful, I'd be counting on MNM. They are just as important as London/Spanky for the whole Hardy boys vibe to be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alfdogg Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Kendrick has the face of a two-year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 "babyface" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dangerous A Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Realistically, Kendrick and London are going no where. They don't have the size or look. WWE doesn't give 2 shits about tag teams right now and London and Kendrick are ROH alumni and internet darlings, so they realistically are going to go no where near a push. Edge is the one I'd pick as a person who could carry the company if his legs weren't currently getting cut from underneath him. He now has to take a backseat to HHH and Vince in the heel pecking order on Raw. I hope to God he can be rehabbed in the summer to become a draw and I'm not sure feuding with Foley is the way to keep him hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Another thing against Kendrick & London are that they're both on the "B" show. Like it or not, to be the flagship, you pretty much have to be on Raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianChick Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Hey, maybe the rosters will combine after a mass firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 MNM is more valuable than London/Kendrick, even as heels. What's wrong with basing a division around a heel team? I don't want to go back to the exact same formula of 1999-2001, so this would be the avenue I pursue should I be the guy running the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianChick Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 You think that the company should be building the company on heels?!? When has that ever been successful, long term? NWO was short term, as it made the faces look like chumps and got old. WWE has been basing their company off a heel for the last 4 years. It's time for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dangerous A Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 WWE needs to first give a shit about tag team wrestling. MNM mean shit when they job to the Hvwt. Champ in handicap matches. (which they've done with the last 2 champs) I dont see WWE giving tag team wrestling a serious push for a real long time, if ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 You think that the company should be building the company on heels?!? When has that ever been successful, long term? NWO was short term, as it made the faces look like chumps and got old. WWE has been basing their company off a heel for the last 4 years. It's time for a change. MNM should be the franchise tag team. Not fucking 6th graders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Not to say London and Kendrick shouldn't be given a fair chance. They could be MNM's face foils, but they need to base it around MNM. They can talk better than London and Kendrick from what I've seen. They have a better look. They have a special tag team chemistry. If the WWE is basing the company around Triple H, then I don't see why they can't base the tag team division around a tag team that while heels, are still very entertaining and dare I say, likable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianChick Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Likable heels? No. There shouldn't be such a thing. Besides, even if there was, Hollywood stuckup blondes would certainly NOT fit the criteria. And you completely disregarded my post. Heels should not be the basis of a company, period. It either has to be a babyface, or a babyface and heel, but never just heel. I think the last few years of WWE has proven that quite nicely. I don't see how you can say that MNM talks better than "the 6th graders" when neither team talks. Melina talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I disregarded your post because you're sounding like a mark with the "WAHHHH I DONT WANT BADDIES TO WIN!" MNM also will likely draw more than London/Kendrick. If WWE found a tag team that could be good faces and that has a similar chemistry to MNM, then I'd name them. London and Kendrick isn't there yet. MNM is. So I would base it around them, while building up some strong face teams to be built around in the future. Why is it that Edge and Christian has more title reigns than the Hardyz? The Dudley Boyz got most of their tag titles as heels. Stop looking at things so narrowly. As Vince would say, "Look at the bigger picture". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kilgore Trout Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I disregarded your post because you're sounding like a mark with the "WAHHHH I DONT WANT BADDIES TO WIN!" Well wrestling is for marks. Building a company entirely around a heel makes no sense as that means the heel has to come out on top of feuds which is dumb and won't make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Incorrect. The tag titles are being viewed as nothing more than a prop. Look at how they are handling Kane and Show's reign. If you based it around MNM, and they had a good run where they're made to look like a dominant team, then the face team that I said would be built up could beat them to become the new franchise team. Who said that I had to keep the focus on MNM forever? That was not the point. The point is at this time, MNM is the best team to base it around. Honestly I think Billy Kidman and Paul London had a better chance to break out than London and Kendrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 The NWA based their tag divison around heels for a while and no one seemed to mind. Tully and Arn, the MX, The Road Warriors (who were heels depending on who they were beating up at the moment) all had the "who can beat them?" air around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianChick Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I disregarded your post because you're sounding like a mark with the "WAHHHH I DONT WANT BADDIES TO WIN!" MNM also will likely draw more than London/Kendrick. If WWE found a tag team that could be good faces and that has a similar chemistry to MNM, then I'd name them. London and Kendrick isn't there yet. MNM is. So I would base it around them, while building up some strong face teams to be built around in the future. Why is it that Edge and Christian has more title reigns than the Hardyz? The Dudley Boyz got most of their tag titles as heels. Stop looking at things so narrowly. As Vince would say, "Look at the bigger picture".Oh for the love of god. Look, I like MNM alot. I just don't think that basing a tag division JUST AROUND THEM is smart, because it gets boring when the heel ALWAYS win decisively. If you are going to follow a tested and tried method, it has to be either based mainly on the face team or equally on the heel/face team. Spanky/London and MNM would be perfect to base a tag division on, because they do have that E&C/Hardys vibe (while not being a complete ripoff). MNM could have 34 title reigns for all I care, but it can't JUST be them on top. There has to be a face team always chasing them. To use your example, just like how the Hardys were pretty well always chasing E&C and getting screwed, even when E&C were winning all the time. I NEVER said that the face team always has to win. Stop trying to sound smart by condescending me. You look like a complete jackoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I wouldn't be a jackoff if you stop thinking in a mark mindset. And you seem to miss the entire point of my posts. I said MNM needs to be on the top NOW, but in no way did I say they would be on top forever. The Hardyz chasing E&C worked because they were seen on the same level (No Mercy Terri Invitational Ladder match anyone). Who is on MNM's level? Surely not Kendrick and London....yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DylanWaco Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 To answer the question posed by this thread, at this point, I'd take Carlito. Rey is a better short term pick, but he's geting older and it's hard to say how long he'll be around. Carlito should be around for years and IMO is the only guy from the younger crop of wrestlers who is consistently improving both his charactor and his ring work. He's shown himself to be much more versatile than I originally thought and I have a feeling he's going to be the next guy turned face beacause the crowd response will dictate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dangerous A Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 About Rey, In the latest Observer, it said that Rey was having knee problems again at the worse time possible. Rey is actually not even 30 yet, but his knees are so shot from all the sprinboard and aerial moves that he'll probrably have to scale it back some more if he hopes to continue. Carlito isn't a bad choice. He's actually starting to show some improvement. I bet he weasels his way into MITB and wins. Either that or they just buried him by having him propose the idea for doing the match again and then not qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Regarding the heel/face argument, I think you can build around a top face, a top heel or both, as long as the tag team in question is someone who can carry feuds with other guys who may not be as talented and is someone the crowd has an emotional investment in watching, whether it's to see them win or lose. Ric Flair drew for many years as a long-term heel. Also, while it sounds nice in theory, always putting the most talented guys in the top positions in every situation isn't always the best route to go. At this point, if the goal is to rebuild the tag division (and who the hell knows if it is?) they should pick the teams that stand the best chance of getting over and put them against the most talented teams in the company to get them over. I wouldn't say MNM has been portrayed as weak so much as they have portrayed as inconsistent. Yes, they've jobbed to the last two singles champs in handicap matches, but they've also gotten pinfalls over Batista, Guerrero and Misterio, all top stars in the company at the time they laid down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alfdogg Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 You all just remember that I was the first one on the Carlito bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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