TOTFW

[goodhelmet]

Jake ?the Snake? Roberts

The Great Sasuke

Masahiro Chono

Paul London

Brutus Beefcake

Brian Pillman

Kevin Nash

?Superstar? Billy Graham

Terry Gordy

[Guest Some Guy]

Jake ?the Snake? Roberts - Great promos and a tremendous heel. He has corwd psycholgy down to a scince. He was also a pretty good worker when he wasnted to be. He knew what to do and when to do it. Drugs killed his career.

 

The Great Sasuke - A lot of fun to watch. His Space Flying Tiger Drop~! is breathtaking the first few times you see it. His match with Benoit from a Super J cup is great, as were his 2 with TAKA in 97 in WWF.

 

Masahiro Chono - I only saw him WCW and wasn't too impressed.

 

Paul London - Haven't seen a ton of his work (mostly the ocasional SD! squash), but the RR bump was awesome. He should probably lose the tassles on his boots and the fur coat is he wishes to be taken seriously by Tazz and Cole.

 

Brutus Beefcake - Total shit in the ring and on the mic. If he didn't live basically down the street from me, I would hate him more. He got wealthy because he was friends with Hogan and blew it on drugs. He now does Indy work and was/is working as a toll collecter for the MBTA (the subway in Boston), he might have been fired for causing an Anthrax scare when he dropped a bag of coke and got arrested.

 

Brian Pillman - I loved Pillman's work as Flyin Brian and loved his promos as the "Loose Cannon". It's a shame that a guy with 5 kids and a wife couldn't have gotten his life in order and stopped doing drugs.

 

Ken Shamrock - I always liked Shamrock's ring work to some extent. He was a decent worker for 1997 WWF, but had very limited mic skills. I still mark out for the line "GET OUT OF MY WAY!!!!!!!!!!!" from Summerslam 97 though.

 

Kevin Nash - Had about 5 good singles matches, all with Bret or HBK. He's funny on the stick occasionally, although it's was usually to the detriment of the angle he wa in. I think he played the biggest part in killing WCW. Scott Hall carried him in the nWo. Actually Scott Hall carried the whole nWo.

 

?Superstar? Billy Graham - He eats T-Bone steaks.... Good talker, shitty worker. The inspiration for Hogan, Steiner, HHH, and several other steroid guys. Steroids made and broke him.

 

Terry Gordy - I really liked him in MVC. Haven't seen much of himoutside of that WCW run, his ECW appearance, the King of the Deathmatch (where he cut a great promo after losing to Cactus. It basically went, "Fuck! Fuck! FUCK!, I can't belive I lost to that motherfucker! FUCK!) and his run as The Executioner in WWF. All his stuff after the WCW run in 92 that I saw was also after he died the 2nd time and wasa shell of his former self in thew ring. He's another victim of not beingable to stop with the drugs.

 

Jesus GH, did you intetnionally pick 5 guys who have/had drug problems?

[Guest Hunter's Torn Quad]

Kevin Nash: The lowest form of human life in professional wrestling of the last 25 years. A major factor in the death of WCW, and with it ending the ability of a lot of people to provide for their families. Undoubtedly possess one of the biggest ego's in wrestling. Someone who clearly has absolutely no passion for wrestling and has no desire at all to help anyone but himself. Probably the single biggest cancer in wrestling of the last 25 years, even above Vince Russo and Hulk Hogan (at least how it pertains to WCW), and someone who has absolutely zero redeeming features, either as it relates to wrestling or in being any kind of decent human being. Pledged $25,000 to the Brian Pillman Memorial Fund back in 2000/2001, but then backed out of it after the event, making up some totally bullshit excuse for doing so. Kevin Nash is human scum at its worse, and the day he dies I will personally hire a dozen college frat boys to get drunk and piss on his grave for a week. Kevin Nash, fuck you, and the horse you rode in on.

[goodhelmet]

Jesus GH, did you intetnionally pick 5 guys who have/had drug problems?

LOL, no man, until you mentioned it, I didn't realize that was what happened. I actually went through and listed all of the wrestlers in past threads and came up with 10 who haven't been called on yet.

[MyOwnSummer]

Jake ?the Snake? Roberts- Scared the hell out of me as a kid. Amazing on the stick and a good worker as well. I recently saw some of his feud with Steamboat and really loved it.

 

The Great Sasuke- Like his match against Benoit in SuperJcup94, Haven't seen alot out of him other than that. Seems to be all spots but I'm not certain.

 

Masahiro Chono- I only vaguely remember him from WcW. I can't remember anything about him really.

 

Paul London- Loved his matches in ROH, He's really amazing, I normally forget about Velocity so I miss alot of his best work now.

 

Brutus Beefcake- I marked for him as a kid. That's the only nice thing I can really say.

 

Brian Pillman- I loved Brian in the Blondes and as Flyin' Brian. He was an amazing talent and his death was a tragedy.

 

Ken Shamrock- I always liked Shamrock. His matches with Owen Hart entertained me. I wish he was still in the WWE.

 

Kevin Nash- He's funny sometimes and I liked him up until around 98. He was carried by Shawn, Bret, and Hall though.

 

?Superstar? Billy Graham- I don't really remember Graham.

 

Terry Gordy- Liked his tag team with Williams. Haven't seen alot of his other stuff.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Jake ?the Snake? Roberts: One of the greatest minds that the business has ever seen. It's positively mind-numbing to think what Roberts could have accomplished with the mic had he not allowed a smorgasbord of drugs and alcohol to devour his brain. Not much of a worker in terms of moveset or execution, but he was great with in-match psychology and delivered the best DDT (and short-arm clothesline, for that matter) that I've ever seen. A personal favorite.

 

The Great Sasuke: I haven't seen much other than his Super J Cup matches and his brief American stints, but I've enjoyed what I've seen. Well, everything but his job to Justin Credible.

 

Masahiro Chono: I know he has quite the reputation within puroresu, but my exposure to him is limited.

 

Paul London: I dug the ladder match with Michael Shane in RoH, but that's really about all of the exposure that I've had to him. The London/Shane ladder match, along with the famous three way, are what opened my eyes to RoH.

 

Brutus Beefcake: Pass.

 

Brian Pillman: If you combined the worker from the "Flyin' Brian" days to the hilarious and oft-times bizarre character of the "Loose Cannon", you would have had one amazing wrestler. As it stands, though, Pillman is an oddity, someone who carved out his own unique niche in the company, but yet had so much unfulfilled potential.

 

Ken Shamrock: A great source for unintentional hilarity in the Attitude Era. Check out his perpetual "IMINDAZOOOOONE" face in No Mercy.

 

Kevin Nash: I didn't know about the Pillman Memorial story, but it doesn't really surprise me - Nash has always been a self-serving sloth with little or no redeeming qualities. The Bret Hart/Diesel match with the small package finish is one of my favorite Bret matches.

 

?Superstar? Billy Graham: Never really saw him.

 

Terry Gordy: Talk about before and after. I wonder how he was even able to function as a human being in his later years.

[Guest Alfdogg]

Jake ?the Snake? Roberts - Tremendous interview, underrated worker. Had he been able to clean himself up and if the era had not passed, he'd make a great manager.

 

The Great Sasuke - I liked his match with TAKA at Canadian Stampede, but that's all I've seen of him.

 

Masahiro Chono - Don't recall ever seeing him wrestle.

 

Paul London - Never seen him either except for the aforementioned Rumble bump and a couple highlight tapes posted at WDI, but that's enough for me to buy into the praise he gets.

 

Brutus Beefcake - Seriously...would that gimmick have EVER gotten over had he not been friends with Hogan?

 

Brian Pillman - Great worker and great interview. Might even still be around today (not just as in alive, but I bet he would have some kind of role in the WWE) had he cleaned himself up.

 

Ken Shamrock - I think we already did Shamrock.

 

Kevin Nash - I'm not going to top HTQ's post.

 

?Superstar? Billy Graham - Before my time as a wrestler, but he was certainly a trend setter. I like the "T-Bone steaks, barbell plates" line.

 

Terry Gordy - All I can really remember of him was War Games 89, he seemed to be an above average worker for his size.

[Loss]

Jake Roberts - I think he's overrated. I've never seen a good match of his, and I think Foley, Flair, Cornette, Heyman, Arn Anderson, Bret, Piper, Lawler, Terry Funk, Austin, Rock, Eddie Gilbert and Heenan were all better than him on interviews. He probably does have a decent mind for wrestling, but it never manifested itself in anything particularly memorable, outside of the snake bite angle with Savage and Liz.

 

Great Sasuke - I'm a huge fan of his high-flying moves and he's been in some of my favorite matches, but when I think of him, all I can think of is that he's a politician in Japan who wears his wrestling mask and that he also lost a loser-gets-naked match a few years ago and there was even a Sasuke porn. Ah, Japanese culture.

 

Masa Chono - Great worker before the neck injury in 1992. Loved his match with Rude at the G-1 Climax and the way the match built and climaxed. I haven't been as much of a fan of his since, but he's been a major draw.

 

Paul London - I'll be seeing some footage of him in the very near future, and at that point, I should be more able to provide something here. I think I'll be a fan, if the "young Steamboat" comparisons are accurate.

 

Brutus Beefcake - Leech.

 

Brian Pillman - I wrote an enormous post on him at SNKT, but he was one of my favorites of the time (1989-1993) and could have been a world champion in the WWF if not for his physical limitations and state of mind.

 

Ken Shamrock - Already done.

 

Kevin Nash - I'm not going to top HTQ's post either. The guy who did more with less than anyone ever has; a guy who has found promotion after promotion to pay him ungodly amounts of money to do absolutely nothing. Made it "uncool" to work hard in WCW and I think his booking and negative influence did more to kill the company than just about anything. It was a joy seeing him put over Jericho in WWE before slowly fading out of the spotlight. Promoters should know not to come near him at this point, but memories are short in wrestling, and no one ever learns from past mistakes either.

 

Superstar Graham - Incredibly influential as a character, but even he admit that he was a lousy worker. I'm glad to see that he's been outspoken about the reality of his current physical condition and the dangers of steroids excess, and I think guys like HHH and Scott Steiner should take a look at him, because that's their future.

 

Terry Gordy - Fantastic worker in his heyday. Got really good pretty much instantly, and played a part in some major angles in almost every territory he worked that led to some sort of business boost. I've loved what I've seen of him in AJPW and need to see more. Not as good as Vader, but not far behind him.

[goodhelmet]

Ken Shamrock - Already done

Ken Shamrock - I think we already did Shamrock.

Well, I'll just edit that bad boy out of there.

 

 

 

 

Jake ?the Snake? Roberts - I agree with Loss that he is overrated as an interview or a great mind BUT I think he has given me as many memorable moments from my childhood as any other performer.

 

The Great Sasuke - For those of you who have not seen much of Sasuke, I think I'll make another Recommended Viewing thread for Sasuke just as I had done for Kawada.

 

Masahiro Chono - I have never cared for his wrestling but always liked his look.

 

Paul London - I don't know how long he has been wrestling but he has had some great matches for being so young. I know a strong cruiser division in WWE is a pipe-dream but having London at the forefront is not bad at all. I think Tim Cooke could point you into the direction of must-see London matches.

 

Brutus Beefcake - You know, alot o people are criticizing Ed, and rightfully so, but he has provided me with two of my favorite Wrestlemania moments of all-time. 1. As part of the Bulldogs v. Dream Team tag at WM2. Getting dropped right on his arm from a hammerlock and selling like a champ. 2. As part of the Adonis haircut session from WM3. Brutus turning face earlier in the night wasn't really cemented until he ran out and helped Piper.

 

Brian Pillman - I have seen some very good-great Pillman matches but I think he may be overrated because he is dead... the same way Owen is revered now but treated with indifference prior to his death. I def. need to see more WCW Pillman to see if the adulation is truly deserved.

 

Kevin Nash - He may be a lazy slug and a worthless POS but I have always liked hearing Nash talk. I also agree 100% that Scott Hall carried the nWo concept.

 

?Superstar? Billy Graham - I marked out hard as a kid for Graham... in his bald head, goateed phase. Then he was gone. I had no idea about the steroids or the poor ring work. I just liked the way he looked.

 

Terry Gordy - Man, when I was a kid, I hated the Freebirds but loved the song "Badstreet USA". I missed out on a huge chunk of is WCW run and am only now collecting more of his All-Japan matches.

[Guest Cam Chaos]

Brian Pillman - I loved Pillman's work as Flyin Brian and loved his promos as the "Loose Cannon".  It's a shame that a guy with 5 kids and a wife couldn't have gotten his life in order and stopped doing drugs.

 

 

His life was in order, constant touring and injuries aside. Drugs didn't get him. A congenital heart defect did. Rude and Bulldog on the other hand I believe died from complications due to enlarged hearts caused by steroid use, so you may be getting wires crossed.

 

Jake ?the Snake? Roberts - Great promos, great timing, great in ring psychology, all of which made up for a poor appearance and mediocre physique. A sad shell of what he once was. Crack is bad, kids.

 

The Great Sasuke - Fantastic gimmick, good high flying style, participated in some crazy matches (I do believe he was involved in the 6 man exploding barbwire landmine swimming pool death match in FMW... that was some crazy shit to see). Strange porn performances aside, he's now a politician and still gets away with wearing the mask. Crazy, crazy guy all in all.

 

Masahiro Chono - Never seemed that remarkable to me. He did look cool during his NWO tenure though.

 

Paul London - Very entertaining but under used these days. From ROH champ to a shitty Texas Tornado look-a-like. Hopefully he'll fare better in the future.

 

Brutus Beefcake - I used to enjoy the Barber Shop segments but in ring he was nothing special in any of his incarnations.

 

Brian Pillman - Fantastic in ring talent before the accident that destroyed his leg, fantastic promo guy after that. I actually dug the Zenk vs Pillman feud.

 

Kevin Nash - Master Blaster Steele, Oz, Vinnie Vegas, Diesel... no matter what they dressed him up as, he still sucked. only good for some snide comments now and then. Made a living from being an asshole.

 

?Superstar? Billy Graham - Seemed like a charismatic roidmonkey from what I saw of him on WWF Classics. Aside from that, I don't get it.

 

Terry Gordy - Was once awesome. Became a mess by his own design. Sad story.

[Guest Hunter's Torn Quad]

Brian Pillman - I loved Pillman's work as Flyin Brian and loved his promos as the "Loose Cannon".? It's a shame that a guy with 5 kids and a wife couldn't have gotten his life in order and stopped doing drugs.

 

 

His life was in order, constant touring and injuries aside. Drugs didn't get him. A congenital heart defect did. Rude and Bulldog on the other hand I believe died from complications due to enlarged hearts caused by steroid use, so you may be getting wires crossed.

 

 

Pillman was still doing a number of drugs at the time of his death, including cocaine; he was actually attending drug counselling during the time period he died. Drugs absolutely played a part in his death.

 

Jake ?the Snake? Roberts: Great on the mic and with heel psychology, but not so hot with actual ring work.

 

The Great Sasuke: A great high flyer whose MPW promotion featured some incredible six-man matches.

 

Masahiro Chono: Before his neck injury was a great worker, but since then has had to rely on psychology and timing to get by. One of the best ever at playing a heel within the framework of credible sports style wrestling.

 

Paul London: Criminally underrated in WWE. Should be contesting a series of hot matches with various people over the Cruiserweight title.

 

Brutus Beefcake: The classic hanger on. Would never have amounted to much without riding Hogan's coattails.

 

Brian Pillman: A realty good worker before injuries, as with Chono and Roberts, led him to need to use psychology and interviews to get over. Had a very believable psychopathic persona, probably because it didn't require the volume to get turned up too much.

 

Kevin Nash: Fuck you, you cancerous piece of shit.

 

?Superstar? Billy Graham: Not a great in-ring worker, but a tremendous heel and an inspiration for so many that came after him

 

Terry Gordy: A great big man worker, who let drugs end his career, and, eventually, his life.

[Marty]

I'm trying to seriously conjure up some thoughts on these guys, but HTQ keeps having me laughing over the Kevin Nash comments, and I mean that in a good way. Well said, man!

[Guest Cam Chaos]

Brian Pillman - I loved Pillman's work as Flyin Brian and loved his promos as the "Loose Cannon".? It's a shame that a guy with 5 kids and a wife couldn't have gotten his life in order and stopped doing drugs.

 

 

His life was in order, constant touring and injuries aside. Drugs didn't get him. A congenital heart defect did. Rude and Bulldog on the other hand I believe died from complications due to enlarged hearts caused by steroid use, so you may be getting wires crossed.

 

 

Pillman was still doing a number of drugs at the time of his death, including cocaine; he was actually attending drug counselling during the time period he died. Drugs absolutely played a part in his death.

 

 

Brian Pillman

Brian Pillman died of a heart attack. Even though it's rumored to be caused by use of drugs and alcohol Pillman's death was actually caused by a heart condition that was not detected. He died peacefully in his sleep in his hotel room the day of WWF's Badd Blood ppv.

 

Credit: Wrestleview.com

 

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Pillman, a former linebacker for the Cincinnati Bengals, wrestled Saturday at the St. Paul Civic Center, now called RiverCentre, in the World Wrestling Federation's ``Too Bad to Broadcast'' show. He went by various stage names, including ``The Loose Cannon,'' ``The Rogue Horseman'' and ``Flyin' Brian.''

 

Pillman had been taking the painkillers for injuries he sustained in 11 years as a professional wrestler and also for an ankle injury suffered in an April car accident in Kentucky.

 

Ms. Pillman rejected any suggestion that her husband's death might have been a suicide, despite empty pill bottles and one empty beer bottle found along his body.

 

Friends said Pillman was unusually quiet Saturday night in the wrestlers' dressing room.

 

Eddie Sharkey, a referee and promoter who was in the dressing room, said Pillman looked terrible.

 

Dave Meltzer, editor of the Wrestling Observer and close friend of Pillman's for 10 years, said recent drug tests by the wrestling federation confirmed the wrestler was taking high amounts of prescribed painkillers.

 

``Brian was open with them,'' Meltzer said. ``It's not like his demons were secret.''

 

Ms. Pillman said she also had been worried that her husband was taking increasingly more pain medication. She said he did not seek rehabilitation for his drug use and insisted on wrestling despite warnings from doctors.

 

She said his failure to respond to the warnings led her to file for a divorce - as a warning to him to get help.

 

``It was a tough-love thing,'' Ms. Pillman said. ``I felt I needed to take a step.''

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Brian was last seen alive at 10.45pm, when he went back to his room at his hotel, following a house show in St. Paul, MN. He left an answerphone message for his wife Melanie, that was the last time anyone heard from him. Police were asked to search his hotel room after Brian failed to make the plane for the Pay Per View. They discovered his body at 1.09pm in his motel room at the Budgetal Inn, Bloomington, MN. They also found some prescription medicine, several bottles of pills, muscle relaxers and pain killers, and an empty bottle of beer. Cause of death was not known at the time, although suicide was ruled out, there was no note, and the medicine bottles were not empty. An autopsy was carried out and it was found that Brian died from congenital heart disease. His heart was apparently 75% diseased which led to a heart attack. The same thing that killed his father when Brian was just a child. Brian never got to call home on the Sunday night and never got to find out that Melanie was pregnant with his 6th child Skylar (who was born on May 5th 1998).

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Please provide me with this information about his cocaine use. I never heard of it.

[Guest Hunter's Torn Quad]

Pillman's drug use, including cocaine, isn't a secret. It was his cocaine use that led to the WWF ordering him to take counselling for his drug problems in the first place. In fact, his autopsy even indicated that he had taken cocaine not long before he died, and it's certainly possible that such drug use played a part in his death.

[Guest Steffie]

My favorite Ken Shamrock memory would have to be that PPV where he and his "sister" got into a confrontation right up in front of the camera, and he audibly told her to "slap me". She then proceeded to slap the taste out of his mouth. I forget which PPV it was, but I believe he was fighting Val Venis for his sister Ryan's honor or something.

 

Shamrock really needs to get his ass back on WWE TV. I miss him.

[sek69]

Jake “the Snake” Roberts: Hell, what hasn't been said about Jake? One of the best evil heels in wrestling history, to think what he could have done if he didn't fuck himself up makes you want to cry. Which reminds me, his segment of Beyond the Mat makes you want to stick your head in an oven. I have yet to see a sadder sight than watching Jake try to mend fences with his daughter, only to end up on crack that night.

 

 

Brutus Beefcake: As bad as he was in the mid-80s, he was actually on the way to becoming a fairly decent wrestler before he got his face smashed in. I give the guy credit, what he came back from made Hunter look like a pussy with his quad tear. Sadly it seems like a matter of time before he's the next tragic drug related wrestling death.

 

Brian Pillman: Loved how he was able to morph from pretty boy babyface Flyin' Brian to the infamous Loose Cannon that almost made Bobby Heenan shit his pants on live TV. Probably shouldn't have came back after the accident that destroyed his ankle, but then guys like Brian aren't known for having long lifespans.

 

Kevin Nash: I can't help it, I know people hate him but I have a soft spot for the big lug. When he finally comes to the realization that people with 75 knee operations shouldn't wrestle, he should be hired by someone to be an announcer.

 

“Superstar” Billy Graham: Hulk Hogan and especially Scott Steiner should be paying this man royalties. He's also the prototype of what's known now as a "hoss", with the slight difference that Superstar had the charisma to make up for his lack of wrestling ability. No doubt he'd be a mega star in today's WWE.

 

Terry Gordy: As a old time World Class fan, that made me by default a Freebirds fan. I got that DVD Kevin Von Erich put out of matches mainly from 83-85 and it made me realize that Terry was not only a good brawler he was a pretty decent worker, albeit the big man style.

[Guest Bruiser Chong]

Jake ?the Snake? Roberts: He wasn't one of my favorites as a kid, but as I got older, I was amazed by his mike skills. True there have been countless wrestling personalities who were better than him in that area, but he always did more with less. Think of some of the inane angles he got thrown into as a face. Snake phobia, partial blindness from spray cologne, and big fat man sits on pet. Some lame stuff that he made interesting through his verbal skills.

 

Paul London: I don't think I could even indentify him, which shows how out of touch with current wrestling I am. Seems to be a god among the 'net folks, though.

 

Brutus Beefcake: I'll be honet. I didn't realize until a few years ago how bad he was in the ring. He always entertained me as a kid and I guess I was looking at him through rose-tinted glasses for many years. Got where he was because of who he was tight with, but his popularity during his peak was incredible.

 

Brian Pillman: Haven't seen nearly as much of him as I should've. My knowledge of him before getting on the 'net was that he was that weird dude who wore tiger underwear in the ring.

 

Kevin Nash: I liked him until his face turn. The era with him as WWF champion seemed so down and lethargic and I blame him for much of it. The main event scene had been evolving into a forum for great wrestling in the years leading up to his reign, but 1995 was a pitiful year for the main event, outside of a few exceptions.

 

?Superstar? Billy Graham: Lousy in the ring from what I've seen, but countless people have made a career of ripping off his gimmick.

[Guest Some Guy]

My favorite Ken Shamrock memory would have to be that PPV where he and his "sister" got into a confrontation right up in front of the camera, and he audibly told her to "slap me". She then proceeded to slap the taste out of his mouth. I forget which PPV it was, but I believe he was fighting Val Venis for his sister Ryan's honor or something.

 

Shamrock really needs to get his ass back on WWE TV. I miss him.

I think that this was as result of HBK being a dicktelling him that he had to make sure that he called spots loud enough so that his opponent could hear them or at least I remember reading that somewhere. There was a match on Raw in late 97 where Shawn was literally yelling out the spots to Shamrock so loudly that they had to bleep them out, which they didn't do very well. One spot that sticks out to me was Shawn being against the ropes and bellowing "CLOTHESLINE!" and Shamrock then clotheslined him over the top.

 

Shamrock does not need to be on TV anymore. He's probably 40 years old now and wasn't really great in his first run. I do wish that he stayed around for a feud with Angle, I think they could have had some really entertaining matches together.

[Guest Cam Chaos]

Pillman's drug use, including cocaine, isn't a secret. It was his cocaine use that led to the WWF ordering him to take counselling for his drug problems in the first place. In fact, his autopsy even indicated that he had taken cocaine not long before he died, and it's certainly possible that such drug use played a part in his death.

I remember Melanie Pillman saying how she was proud they found no drugs or excess alcohol to indicate a death via intoxication or overdose in the autopsy. I'm aware of his use of HGH and multiple painkillers prior to his death, but never anything about cocaine. Could you please find and post some evidence to support your claim. Everything I have read has said they concluded he died from a heart failure caused by congenital heart disease. How a hereditary condition, the same one that killed his father, could be influenced by cocaine is beyond me.

[Guest Hunter's Torn Quad]

Pillman's drug use, including cocaine, isn't a secret. It was his cocaine use that led to the WWF ordering him to take counselling for his drug problems in the first place. In fact, his autopsy even indicated that he had taken cocaine not long before he died, and it's certainly possible that such drug use played a part in his death.

I remember Melanie Pillman saying how she was proud they found no drugs or excess alcohol to indicate a death via intoxication or overdose in the autopsy. I'm aware of his use of HGH and multiple painkillers prior to his death, but never anything about cocaine. Could you please find and post some evidence to support your claim. Everything I have read has said they concluded he died from a heart failure caused by congenital heart disease. How a hereditary condition, the same one that killed his father, could be influenced by cocaine is beyond me.

Cincinatti Post article

 

About halfway down, it tells of the ME finding cocaine in his system. As I stated earlier, his drug use, including cocaine was no secret, and was openly referred to in the discussions about drugs in wrestling that invariably sprung up when someone would die of a drug related death. I can only guess you didn't read up so well.

 

And cocaine does affect the heart, so it's very plausible that Pillman's use of it played a part in his death. When Curt Hennig died, the ME who did his autopsy found that the cocaine he took was a contributing factor of the heart attack

[Guest Cam Chaos]

If he'd been on coke, chances are he wouldn't have fell asleep to begin with though. He could have taken it up to 3 days before his death, up to six months before if he was a regular user as you suggest he was. Also given he apparently was seeking help, it wouldn't make sense for him to have done so if he had actively been trying to get straight either. If anything his use of HGH would have exacerbated the growth of the disease around his heart thus causing his eventual heart failure.

[Guest Hunter's Torn Quad]

If he'd been on coke, chances are he wouldn't have fell asleep to begin with though. He could have taken it up to 3 days before his death, up to six months before if he was a regular user as you suggest he was. Also given he apparently was seeking help, it wouldn't make sense for him to have done so if he had actively been trying to get straight either. If anything his use of HGH would have exacerbated the growth of the disease around his heart thus causing his eventual heart failure.

He could have taken it up to 3 days before his death, up to six months before if he was a regular user as you suggest he was.

There's no suggesting he was a regular user. He was a regular user. The WWF ordered him to go to counselling for his problems.

 

Also given he apparently was seeking help, it wouldn't make sense for him to have done so if he had actively been trying to get straight either

You can try your best to kick the habbit, and you can want to kick it more than anything in the world, but that does not mean that you will never again take the drug you're addicted to. People lapse all the time when they're trying to kick a drug habbit.

 

If anything his use of HGH would have exacerbated the growth of the disease around his heart thus causing his eventual heart failure.

Amongst other things, cocaine affects the heart, so it's just as likely that cocaine played a part in his death too.

[Guest Some Guy]

If he'd been on coke, chances are he wouldn't have fell asleep to begin with though.

No, he would not have fallen asleep if he were on coke. Do you know anybody who's done coke or are you at all familiar with what it's effects are? I have several friends who still do that shit, despite having three friends who have died from drug overdose (two on dope and 1 on OCs). A month or two agao I got a call from a friend of mine at about 9:00 am who was up doing coke the night before. I was with him earlier drinking at some bar in Boston and when I went home he a few other people we were with started in on the shit (the friend in question knows that I don't like that shit around me at all). So I get the call and he tells me that he hasn't slept all night that his heart is racing and asks me if I'll take him to the hospital. I tell him to take a shower and see if he calms down a little. He calls back 3 minutes later and asks me to take him and I agree. I got up to bursh my teeth and didn't get back to my bedroom before the phone rang again and he asked if I was almost there. He lives about 15 minutes from me and this call was less than 5 mintues after he last called. When I got there he was wide awake but pretty much dead on his feet. He was a zombie, who hadn't slept in over 24 hours. So, I took him to the hospital and they hooked him to a bunch of machines and what not and kept him there for 10 hours, it took that long for his heart rate to drop from 150 down to 100 which is still well above normal for most people (so, yes cocaine does have a big effect on the heart and long term use causes a lot of damage to it, just as steroids do). And he hadn't even OD'ed, in the adreneline shot to heart type of way. So, to make a long story short, you will not fall asleep if you are coked out. Coke is an "upper".

[Guest Cam Chaos]

Not that it matters, but yes I do. I've had to endure people talking bullshit all night and turning the TV up stupidly loud so they can talk and hear the TV over their own voices.

 

My point is, if Pillman was on coke, it's unlikely he would have been able to fall asleep and die in his sleep as he did. Chances are he'd have stayed up all night paranoid and channel surfing. You cannot sleep unless you can achieve a resting heart rate which is nigh on impossible with coke still potent in your system.

[Guest Some Guy]

My bad, I misread your post. I missed the suffix. I'm pretty tired, driving to and back form NYC to help my sister move in 36 hours with almost no sleep will do that.

 

Either way, the years of doing coke, steroids, and other drugs no doubt led to or vastly increased his hear problem.