LowBlowPodcast Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Okay guys, I consider my self a pro wrestling connoisseur, but it is safe to say that debut dates are not my forte. Through some basic research I have come up with this list... we will utilize this list for the fresh face and "return" drafts as we have some guys coming back into the business in 1984. Here is the list. PLEASE... help finding out other people who debuted in 1984 and 1985. I have a base line list here to go from, so if we can do some more research and find people, it will help our cause for those fresh face drafts and what we can do with them. 1984 January Tommy Heggie John Quinn The Spoiler David Morgan Lou Winston February Italian Stallion Tom Zenk New Guinea Man Eater aka Botswana Beast, Kamala II Billy White Cloud Thomas Ivy David Johnson Wendell Cooley David Haskins Manuel Villalobos Johnny Rapone Mickey Doyle Jay York Rick Renslow March Jushin Liger April May Gino Hernandez Pat Tanaka Steve Simpson June Phil Hickerson Kendall Windham Nikita Koloff Woman July August Steve Armstrong Baby Doll September Tracey Smothers October Great Muta Masa Chono Scott Hall Shawn Michaels Dan Spivey Jim Powers November December Paul Roma 1985 January John Nord Nick Kiniski February Lance Von Erich Paul Diamond March April Bart Sawyer May June Mick Foley July August Bam Bam Bigelow Miss Elizabeth September Yokozuna Brady Boone Tom Brandi October Lex Luger November Chris Benoit The Ultimate Warrior Luna Vachon Sting December Missy Hyatt Please post any other people with whom you think started out around these times so that we can add them to the lists whether they are big names or not so we can put these drafts together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWATerritorySuperfan Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 May Gino Hernandez Gino debuted in 1975 btw. Unless this is a different Gino? I'm thinking of the Handsome Half Breed who teamed with both Tully Blanchard & Chris Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Gino debuted then was inactive during this period until May of 84. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted December 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Gino debuted then was inactive during this period until May of 84. Yep, he was out of the business for a year, possibly doing work on Farrah Fawcett... He returns in May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWATerritorySuperfan Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Gino debuted then was inactive during this period until May of 84. ah ok. I didn't realize that. it was just weird and popped out to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted December 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Gino debuted then was inactive during this period until May of 84. ah ok. I didn't realize that. it was just weird and popped out to me. When I started, I offered to just have Gino and Houston and then work from there but he was inactive. He is one of my all time favorites and a guy who could literally control the tide of a company and carry it if he hadn't fallen to drugs. Just too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 For that matter, does anyone know when Phil Hickerson and Gary Young got back into action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted December 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Hickerson is back in June Gary Young isn't back till 85. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 The Japanese guys need to be removed unless there is a change in rules? We don't draft then, they just come in on loan from Will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 I don't know exact dates, but this is the "Rookie Draft" that Crazy Max did for 1984 a few years back. I've just cut and paste it.... - Baby Doll (Nickla Roberts) - Blue Demon Jr. (Lucha Star) - Brady Boone (Portland favorite, the future Battle Kat/Fire Cat) - Chris Champion (of New Breed Fame, AKA Yoshi Kwan) - Dan Spivey (Skyscraper, Japan star, Waylon Mercy) - Fred Ottman (Big Steel Man, Tugboat, Typhoon, Shockmaster) - Gary Nations (The Second Lord Humongous) - Jason Knight (Of ECW Fame) - Jim Powers (The Young Stallion) - John Nord (Nord the Barbarian, The Berzerker) - Keiichi Yamada (Jushin Liger) - Keiji Mutoh (The Great Muta) - Kendall Windham (Brother of Barry, son of BJ Mulligan) - Madusa Micelli (Top female Wrestler, Alundra) - Masahiro Chono (New Japan legend) - Nick Patrick (Future Referee) - Nikita Koloff (No selling monster) - Oly Olsen (Tod Olsen) - Paul Diamond (Kato, Maxx Moon) - Paul Roma (Young Stallion, Power & Glory, Pretty Wonderful, and dare I say is, a Horseman) - Pierroth, Jr. (Lucha star) - Ricky Vaughn (Future Lance Von Erich) - Robbie Brookside (UK favorite, teamed often with Regal) - Scott Hall (Razor Ramon) - Shawn Michaels (Name says it all) - Shinya Hashimoto (Japanese star) - Steve Doll (Member of the Southern Rockers, AKA Steve Dunn of Well Dunn) - Steve Lawler (The Brawler, patterns his look and style after Jerry the King, without the gimmick) - Steve Regal (Darren Matthews, a Real Man's Man) - Steve Simpson (South African native, made it big in Dallas) - Tom Zenk (The Zeeeeee Man!) - Woman (Manager, AKA Nancy Sullivan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted December 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 The Japanese guys would be for will if he got back in for us to loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwsony Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I found this but it does have some guys we have active for 1984Aaron HoltAndre LagoAndy MoreuirAthol FoleyBarry BrunoBen BassarabBill ArmstrongBill CodyBill MurdochBilly JacksonBilly TravisBlackie GuzmanBob BelinskiBob BoucherBob BoyerBob ScottBob TuckBobby JonesBrian LucasBrian MackneyBrian HarperBruce DeanButch MoffattBurrhead JonesCal MansonChi Chi LotharioChris CarterChris PepperClaude GosselinCy JerniganCyclon NegroD.C. DrakeDamian KaneDale MooreDan GreerDan SpiveyDanny BabichDanny Little WolfDanny YoungDave GobeilDave PetroDavid AndersonDavid JonesDavid MorganDenis GouletDennis UptonDon KolovDon WhiteDoug McCollEric SpracciaErnest RheaultEddie CarsonEvan LatourFrancisco FloresFrank StarrFred CurryFred Ottman (aka Tugboat, Shockmaster)Freddie FreemanFrenchy LamonteFrank DeFalcoFrank MarconiFrankie LaineGary Martinelli (The Italian Stallion)George GuimondGino BritoGino LombardoGreg WinstonGuy ChabotHarley Daniel (Hillbilly Jim)Henri CardenalIsrael MatiaIvan PutskiJack KreugerJake MillimanJake BanmanJason FridayJeff GouldieJeff GraeJerry JacobusJerry Oski (aka Jerry O)Jim KellyJim LancasterJoe ApolloJohn BakerJoe CagleJoey DiMonteJoey War EagleJohn BanmanJohn CosmanJohn KingJohn RichmondJohn WhiteJohnny RaponeJohnny WilhoitJonathon AndersonJonathon SayersJosh StroudKeith EricKenny RogersKevin JeffriesKevin StewartKip KellyLanny Kean (Cousin Junior)Larry AnsonLarry JonesLou FabbianoLou WinstonLouis LaurenceMark GreerMark RaginMarty JannettyMighty IgorMike AllenMike BloodMike DupreeMike StarbuckMike Stark (aka Humongus)Mike StoneMike YorkMuhammad SaedNacho BerreraNick KiniskiNikita KoloffObie DavisOle OlsenPat MurphyPaul GarnerPete CaparellaPeter FlowersPhil Apollo (aka Vince / Dale Apollo)Phil Lafon (aka Dan Kroffatt)R.T. Reynolds (aka Cpl. Kirshner)Ralph LemieuxRandy BarberRandy RichRandy WittReggie RaponeReynald DubeRichard CummingsRick DavisRick HazzardRick JonesRick SmithRicky RenoRick RenslowRicky BrunoRicky JohnsonRicky SantanaRicky Vaughn (aka Lance Von Erich)Robbie RoyceRobert ReedRod HayterRon EllisRon HutchinsonRon KesslerRoy Lee WelchSam DarrowSam HoustonScott ArmstrongScott HallScotty CampbellScrap Iron ScrantonSerge JodoinShane DouglasShawn MichaelsSherri Martel (as a manager)Skip WilliamsSonny KingSpeedy SolomonSteve ArmstrongSteve BrinsonSteve LoganSteven DunnTeddy MarshallTed EllisTed GrizzlyTeddy MarshallTerry EllisTerry MantonTerry SchollThomas IveyTim GerrardTim HortonTito SenzaToby MankaTom ZenkTony CondelloTony ColonTony DeVitoVictor MercadoYvon LavardueZane Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Where's this list from Pwsony? I think it is conclusive of the names we discussed along with some of those random out there ones that we haven't or may not be aware of. I am on board with the idea of a full length draft and all of these guys becoming available at one as Boon suggested. The only question is to when? Would we want to do 1 draft or split it up into 2 or 3 and have them be cycled in? Say we did the first draft in April, then another in July, then another in October or something , then by the time we got to the new year we could restart the cycle starting in January going forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcfl Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 It doesn't matter to me when, as long as we have roster space available to add. If you do it in June, it would give us 2 additional roster spaces. If you do it soon, I ask that we have those 2 spaces now but don't go to 39 until September. I understand the new writers could really use a boost now and would want it sooner rather than later. I just think most of us have a brand new roster with angles to start. If we do the draft with out adding roster space, we have to cut guys we have not even had a chance to use. I mean I am excited to work with people like Bugsy McGraw or Skip Young but could I really use them and leave Nikita Koloff or Shawn Michaels undrafted. I guess I could but that seems like an unfair choice we would have to make after this last week long draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexstar Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 I took the 1984 debuts from the initial post, the list sony posted, the list Boon posted, and names Kev posted in the other thread, stuck them in a list, removed all the duplicates, and then ran it against a list of all the guys on current rosters and free agents and removed those duplicates. Here is the caveat - if there were minor misspellings or such, a guy could slip through the cracks. I didn't have time to check each name individually. If someone is listed on a current roster under a different name, that would also fall though the crack. So, might wanna double check. I also did not check actual debut dates or anything. The following guys were in various rookie lists but on a roster and were removed from the draft list: Athol Foley Ben Bassarab Bill Cody Cal Manson Cy Jernigan David Morgan Frankie Laine Fred Curry Gino Brito Israel Matia Ivan Putski John Cosman John King Johnny Wilhoit Josh Stroud Louis Laurence Mighty Igor Mike Allen Randy Barber Randy Rich Robert Reed Roy Lee Welch Sam Houston Scott Armstrong Sonny King Tony Colon The draft list then is: Aaron Holt Andre Lago Andy Moreuir Baby Doll Bam Bam Bigelow Barry Bruno Bill Armstrong Bill Murdoch Billy Jackson Billy Travis Billy White Cloud Blackie Guzman Blue Demon Jr Bob Belinski Bob Boucher Bob Boyer Bob Scott Bob Tuck Bobby Jones Brady Boone Brian Harper Brian Lucas Brian Mackney Bruce Dean Burrhead Jones Butch Moffatt Chi Chi Lothario Chris Carter Chris Champion Chris Pepper Claude Gosselin Cyclon Negro D.C. Drake Dale Moore Damian Kane Dan Greer Dan Spivey Danny Babich Danny Little Wolf Danny Young Dave Gobeil Dave Petro David Anderson David Haskins David Johnson David Jones Denis Goulet Dennis Upton Don Kolov Don White Doug McColl Eddie Carson Eric Spraccia Ernest Rheault Evan Latour Francisco Flores Frank DeFalco Frank Marconi Frank Starr Fred Ottman Freddie Freeman Frenchy Lamonte Gary Nations George Guimond Gino Hernandez Gino Lombardo Great Muta Greg Winston Guy Chabot Harley Daniel (Hillbilly Jim) Henri Cardenal Italian Stallion Jack Kreuger Jake Banman Jake Milliman Jason Friday Jason Knight Jay York Jeff Gouldie Jeff Grae Jerry Jacobus Jerry Oski (aka Jerry O) Jim Kelly Jim Lancaster Jim Powers Joe Apollo Joe Cagle Joey DiMonte Joey War Eagle John Baker John Banman John Nord John Quinn John Richmond John White Johnny Rapone Jonathon Anderson Jonathon Sayers Jushin Liger Keith Eric Kendall Windham Kenny Rogers Kevin Jeffries Kevin Stewart Kip Kelly Lanny Kean (Cousin Junior) Larry Anson Larry Jones Lou Fabbiano Lou Winston Madusa Micelli Manuel Villalobos Mark Greer Mark Ragin Marty Jannetty Masa Chono Masahiro Chono Mickey Doyle Mike Blood Mike Dupree Mike Starbuck Mike Stark (aka Humongus) Mike Stone Mike York Miss Elizabeth Muhammad Saed Nacho Berrera New Guinea Man Eater aka Botswana Beast, Kamala II Nick Kiniski Nick Patrick Nikita Koloff Obie Davis Ole Olsen Oly Olsen Pat Murphy Pat Tanaka Paul Diamond Paul Garner Paul Roma Pete Caparella Peter Flowers Phil Apollo (aka Vince / Dale Apollo) Phil Hickerson Phil Lafon (aka Dan Kroffatt) Pierroth, Jr R.T. Reynolds (aka Cpl. Kirshner) Ralph Lemieux Randy Witt Reggie Rapone Reynald Dube Richard Cummings Rick Davis Rick Hazzard Rick Jones Rick Renslow Rick Smith Ricky Bruno Ricky Johnson Ricky Reno Ricky Santana Ricky Vaughn Ricky Vaughn (aka Lance Von Erich) Robbie Brookside Robbie Royce Rod Hayter Ron Ellis Ron Hutchinson Ron Kessler Sam Darrow Scott Hall Scotty Campbell Scrap Iron Scranton Serge Jodoin Shane Douglas Shawn Michaels Sherri Martel (as a manager) Shinya Hashimoto Skip Williams Speedy Solomon Steve Armstrong Steve Brinson Steve Doll Steve Lawler Steve Logan Steve Regal - William Steve Simpson Steven Dunn Ted Ellis Ted Grizzly Teddy Marshall Terry Ellis Terry Manton Terry Scholl The Great Muta The Spoiler Thomas Ivey Thomas Ivy Tim Gerrard Tim Horton Tito Senza Toby Manka Tom Zenk Tommy Heggie Tony Condello Tony DeVito Tracey Smothers Victor Mercado Wendell Cooley Woman Yokozona Yvon Lavardue Zane Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 I added Owen Hart to the list and dropped Burrhead Jones. I do think we need to talk about the Japanese and Luchadors. These guys weren't active in the US during this time, are we going to make them active now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Sherri Martel should go into the Ladies Freelancers, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=1050&page=20 With this as a reference, we could use her as a manager until mid 1985 to turn her into a freelancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Southeastern has traded for the following spots.. AWA 1st and 2nd Round spots for loan of talent throughout January and Febuary Big Time Wrestlings 1st Round pick for Charlie Cook... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 So Big time got Charlie Cook then on their roster? I will update the draft stuff right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Rain made a good point, For Japanese guys and luchadors, if they worked dates in America, then we can use them, if they didn't they should be off the list. Would someone be willing to look through the list and give me names to delete? I am loaded with some other things tonight, if it isn't done by this weekend, I should be able to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Could we change the font in the draft thread, can't read on my phone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowBlowPodcast Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Thanks, not major but a little difficult reading on the sly at work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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