JaymeFuture Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Just to drop this in here, the latest Squared Circle Gazette Radio is now up, discuss Favourites That You Soured On. Taking your nominations, we discuss individuals that were once thought of in high regard, but for whatever reason have fallen from grace in the eyes of you, the loyal listeners, and us around the oaken table. Names such as Mick Foley, Matt Hardy, Jim Ross, Dean Ambrose, Brock Lesnar, The Rock, Sting, Jake Roberts, Rob Van Dam, Seth Rollins, Ric Flair and Zack Ryder all get discussed, as well as many others to boot. A very fun show this week, check it out and let us know what you think!http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/web/5f2atq/SCG_Radio_101_-_The_Bloom_Is_Off_The_Rose.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Totally with the chap who thinks Sting vs Flair is terribly overrated. It's ***1/2 max typical Flair vs. Big man formula match with Sting himself having virtually no ideas of what to do throughout. Enjoyable show so far. Also generally agree with the comments on Jake Roberts never really bringing it in the ring. There's one or two good matches from Mid-South, but really not enough to justify his rep as this master of psychology. Loved the Hardy rant too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Liked it up to the very end where you guys felt the need to talk about Kane for some reason because if anyone really had a ton of "bloom" ever, it sure isn't Kane. It's like him winning the Wrestling Observer "Most Overrated" Award because we have to be as cowardly as possible. Maybe next you can take that Giant Gonzales down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianB Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Liked it up to the very end where you guys felt the need to talk about Kane for some reason because if anyone really had a ton of "bloom" ever, it sure isn't Kane. It's like him winning the Wrestling Observer "Most Overrated" Award because we have to be as cowardly as possible. Maybe next you can take that Giant Gonzales down! Giant Gonzales had the decency to disappear after a few awful years. We've had to hold our noses at the stench of Kane for over a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Enjoyable show so far. Also generally agree with the comments on Jake Roberts never really bringing it in the ring. There's one or two good matches from Mid-South, but really not enough to justify his rep as this master of psychology. From what I remember it seemed to polarise opinions, but I'd add the Dirty White Boy match from SMW to this. I thought it was a psychologically excellent (especially when you consider the physical state Jake was in at this point) and Jake was the master at getting so much out of so little in this match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Just checking and Jake match I had in mind was: Ted Dibiase vs. Jake Roberts (7/22/85) Still no beard on Ted. He had a beard in 83-4 but lost it in 85 for some reason. Jake is in the Kobayashi-style red pants still. Ton of stalling from Ted at the start of this one. Crowd is hot for Jake. And here is a good example of two guys who know how to work a crowd. Ted is a perfect heel, bailing, teasing, stoking the flames of that crowd. Jake is a perfect babyface milking the heat. This is the difference between being over and knowing what to do with that overness. Two of the best in the business at that here, it's one reason why both are big stars still remembered by many fans to this day. The way Ted is all cowardice and tentativeness at the start of this match and then all violence and intensity when he's on top and then all cockiness and arrogance when Jake is down is another reason why so many fans believe he's one of the greatest heels of all time. This is how to work heel. And I can't name more than ten workers who did it better than is on display in this match. His fist drops are awesome too. Just absolutely loved the heat sequence in this match. Jake is underrated at selling a beatdown, and I love that Bill Watts believed in getting heat on the heel as much as he did. The crowd chanting "DDT" gets louder and louder as they build this. And when Jake hits a jawbreaker Ted sells it like a pro. Just an awesome ABC of how to work a pro wrestling match right here. The basics, the fundamentals, just how to work babyface, how to work heel. You can give me a dozen of your 00s indies guys and they don't know how to work like this. You can talk about context or whatever, but I don't care. This is the shit right here. An incredibly over babyface, a heel who is all the things a heel should be (cowardly, sneaky, vicious, arrogant), an awesome heat sequence and a well-timed comeback to send a tamping hot crowd into orbit. Just an awesome display of pro wrestling fundamentals. Anyone who doesn't like their Wrestlemania 6 match should just watch this instead. Smokes any of their WWF encounters, including the 89 MSG one. Ted at the peak of his powers as a heel. ****1/2 This is the best Jake match I've seen on tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanColes1987 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 My problem with the Flair vs. Sting match is that it's 2 identical matches in 1, halfway in they just hit the reset button and do everything again. The Foley Burial was spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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