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  1. I agree with this....but I'd caveat it by saying that the Bret Hart and Brian Pillman 83 weeks episodes were terrible. The Pillman episode in particular was worse than probably any STW episode.
  2. I've got to watch the last episode, and the show has some standout episodes and is still good (though a romance towards the end feels forced) but I think I prefer season 1.
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    Rebooking WCW from July 1998

    Good episode. I liked a lot of the fill in the blanks, particularly the Raven and Jericho stuff. Giant and Raven is a really good pairing. Your Hall and Nash solutions also hit me as better than anything else raised. Luger is absolutely the right guy to pair with Steiner to elevate Scotty, and I while I'm partial to my Bret/Benoit idea, I do think maybe Roddy is the right set up type of thing. I will pile on in the sense that as somebody growing up a young but strong fan during this time frame, I think taking the title off Goldberg (albeit even not with an actual loss) before he gotten a good run of it would've pissed off people. I also wonder if making Goldberg seem like on even more blatant Stone Cold ripoff would've played that well in an era of constantly debating fans, but hey maybe it doesn't hurt.Maybe that's the right type of heat. But typically, that first face top run is the big run for guys in the expansion era. And unlike Austin, Goldberg didn't have a top level promo. I get all the mitigation plans, but part of me feels like Keiran just hated the artistic arc of trying to book to Starrcade with Goldberg as the unstoppable monster beforehand, and worked himself and everyone else into buying the same arguments that Nash makes against Goldberg as the destroyer and WWE probably told themselves about Asuka as well,...i.e. you need the compelling of the chase, except you bought into Bret as the champ, when I think that works maybe just as well if Bret's the challenger. You use the steel plate angle to set up Bret as more clever and may cheat, and then you can use through some TV matches the idea that Bret is the superior technical wreslter and it's a wrestling match to add intrigue to the match. Plus, if Bret comes off as bitterand heelish enough, many fans will just want to see him get smashed and destroyed, which is essentially the hook to the initial Goldberg-Jericho program as well. Additionally, I think you've got to blow off the nWo angle. I get hating it because it should've died earlier in 1998 at the latest, but it's too much a slap in the face to long-term fans if it just vanishes and you keep matching up guys from the factions, largely ignoring the history--that didn't work so well for the Dangerous Alliance blowoff in 1992. I stand by Steiner being too old and too injury plagued to be the guy handpicked to beat the streak in 1998. Even in 98, he would've been 36 by Starrcade, and I believe still needing yet another back surgery and he'd eventually get the foot issue, which I don't think is unforeseeable given how gassed to gills he is and his injury history (plus are we going to ignore how mad he'd be about cutting Rick?). If you ever do another against the grain opinion put me down for shitting on Scott Steiner as a world champ/top player. His matches vs. Goldberg weren't better than the DDP match, and nobody except Paige marks try to argue that performance into contending that Goldberg should've lost to him. I don't see why Steiner gets a pass other than people liking his looks and promos which have very questionable top drawing ability, especially compared to somebody like Kurt Angle who is frequently brought up as artistically great but commercially either iffy or sabotaged on SCG radio. The idea that he's even potentially your answer to Austin or Rock on the other side strikes me as downright laughable.
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    83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

    The Road Wild 1997 did a disappointing buyrate considering the rating for the title change, so that's a case where the highly rated go home nitro probably hurt the buyrate (tbf, the go home show had the ppv main event and had the payoff people wanted to pay for with Luger beating Hogan). The Pillman episode was even worse than the Bret episode. Looks like we should expect any highly acclaimed book about a guy who has some bad things to say about Bischoff to be full of fake news retorts.
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    Rebooking WCW from July 1998

    Good ideas in here. Ultimately, everything I've read ITT cements that Hogan has to hit the bricks by at least the end of the year. If you're lucky, you get some "big" matches out of him, boosting some buyrates, and get him to job again to Goldberg, and then sayonara--let that shark go mess in WWF waters. You just know that with the Russo creative direction in WWF, we'd get all kinds of Hogan bollocks and FUNB Hogan crap.
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    Rebooking WCW from July 1998

    I'd have used Savage more, but his knee is basically fucked after July 1998, so he's out and only going to come back as a roided up shell of himself. When he returns, he's going to be on elevating people duty, but that won't be until well into 1999. You could do an angle where Steiner beats Savage up to write him off, but that's about it.
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    Rebooking WCW from July 1998

    I'm prepared to let Hogan walk before the end of the year. That's #1 right off the bat. With his creative control and political bullshit, he's too much of a liability, and if he goes to the WWF maybe he submarines The Rock, Foley, or does us all a favor by submarining HHH. Hulk's ego is at it's peak, and the woodster has effectively worn out a lot of the audience with his act. I'd build to Hogan vs. Goldberg at Halloween Havoc, telling old Terry that we would do a third match at Starrcade where he could soundly defeat Goldberg and turn babyface not long after.. Then I wouldn't do it, wouldn't use him and let him jump ship to Vince. If Terry sniffs out the plan and doesn't play ball, then book him in a program vs. Scott Steiner or just let Steiner trash him constantly on TV until he quits, crying. Pushing out Hogan at this point would probably clean up a number of the locker room obedience issues too. Right now Goldberg is the most red hot guy in the company. You've got to keep feeding him challengers until he actually cools off, and only when he's actively not drawing do you even think about beating him or turning him. If he can beat Hogan again at Havoc, great, if not I'd go DDP because this year and period is about as over as DDP would ever be. Scott Steiner seems like a good opponent to build to for a Starrcade match. He's too beaten up and old to be the guy to end the streak, imo, if you're going to end it, it needs to be somebody who has really been climbing up the card...which brings us to... In terms of talent to start moving up the card, the three obvious ones are Jericho, Eddie, and Benoit. I think I've got to plan for 1999 though for them set up as main event headliners. Benoit and Bret should be put into a program, seeing as they worked shortly before this on Nitro, but I'd book it like the Austin-Bret program, where Benoit has good showings for himself, but it takes him awhile before he beats Bret. Maybe as far out as Superbrawl before Benoit wins. Benoit can beat all the worthless overpaid "big" guys along the way--the Scott Norton's, Buff Bagwell's, Stevie Ray's, and Rick Steiner's of the world--as he steadily gains credibility. Curt Hennig could be a good mini-TV program to have with Benoit as well until the Bret mountain becomes his main focus. If you want Benoit to be a heel, there's also the option of him beating the shit out of Flair starting a feud vs. the horsemen. My plan for Eddie would be to build him up as a heel, and then eventually see if I could turn him babyface as his personality continues to develop as a way to capitalize on the latino market. I'd tentatively slot him vs. Konnan, since Konnan was over around this time. And give him a program with DDP for whatever the november ppv would be (not WW3) and Starrcade where Eddie goes over. For some reason, I think a Jericho and Sting program would be fun to do in the fall, as Jericho transitions out of the cruisers, if old Sting has to take a sabbatical--doing some kind of injury angle with Jericho could be extremely fun. (I don't think Jericho would even have to beat Sting necessarily but maybe he's ahead 80/20 in the match, Sting pulls it out at the end because Jericho makes a mistake, then Jericho throws a temper tantrum and puts Sting on the shelf, which sets up a big program for Jericho on Sting's return.) I'd follow that up with Jericho vs. Piper with Jericho winning, and then Jericho should be established enough to do a solid Goldberg program in early 1999 after Goldberg has fended off Steiner. I'd also start wrapping up the NWO angle, ending it at Havoc after the NWO is teetering having also lost at Wargames right before. Hall and Nash can re-unite as a team and return as babyfaces maybe after being out of the company for 4-6 weeks following the end of the NWO angle. As for Flair, I actually like him returning and being one of the guys to end the NWO. So maybe get him to come back early, the horsemen beat the nwo at the wargames. Then Flair also beats Bischoff at Havoc, which effectively is the ppv where the nwo gets dominated and the angle ends.
  8. BrianB

    RIP Vader

    I think there's something to how McMahon, at least pre-Attitude Era, almost always wanted heels to backpedal, cheat, and act cowardly that didn't suit Vader's act.
  9. With the recent poll on the Flair-Steamboat trilogy, this one seems especially appropriate as well. It's not up to their level, but I've heard strong advocates for each set of matches, so let's see how things shake out when it's put to the polls! In case anyone doesn't know or is confused from my poll: SB 3 strap = Sting/Vader Superbrawl III match, non-sanctioned, strap match Cade 92 = the Starrcade 1992 match between Sting and Vader, for King of Cable GAB 92 = Sting vs. Vader for the WCW world title at Great American Bash 1992 edit: Not sure if this is the proper forum for this topic. If not, plz merge and move it, mods
  10. After rewatching the 3 consecutively, I think I might change my opinion to GAB 92, SB III, Cade 92. But it's all very, very close. In terms of work, the superbrawl 3 match hit me as the best, but there were little things I noticed about the rules and the length of the strap and things, the ref and the maybe iffy finish that kind of bothered me more rewatching them all in 1 day than did otherwise. As for GAB 92, I didn't look at the overshot stinger splash, so Sting hits his head on the steel, as a weak part of the finish. I guess I can see why people lump it in with dumb Sting. But in fairness, Vader isn't in the normal position for the move, and Sting's been in a big war, so I can buy why he'd be overzealous and not hit the move quite how he'd want to (similar to how he'd always get overexcited and miss the stinger splash onto the guard rail on the outside.) I think it was an excellent finish that put over Vader well while not diminishing Sting as a babyface.
  11. Bumping this topic given Vader's recent passing, and I'm sure many of this forum's posters revisiting these classic matches.
  12. BrianB

    83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

    I liked it as well. Jericho clearly wanted to put a lot out there. It's a good couter-example to how some of Conrad's other pod partners *cough* Bruce *cough* have been phoning it in.
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    Dave Meltzer stuff

    What are you talking about? One is an opinion. The other is a fact. I feel like enough people don't appreciate this fact so here it goes. Beast, if I said you lived in a city with the best burger joints in the country and that you were a fantastic and professional human being...that's an opinion claim. If I said you were born in 1960 and completed a marathon in under 2 hours, that's a fact claim. Sure, in many people's eyes, myself included, Dave's devalued his opinion relative to match ratings. To some extent that's inevitable because wrestling is getting more democraticized and with more access for people, whereas before Dave probably was in more truly elite company for viewing, and now that niche is growing and growing. But mostly, I think this is Dave hitting his later Ebert years. He's going to push stuff that previously he held back on some, despite how most close watchers could discern his preferences, and push what he enjoys a lot and he's starting to have stronger and stronger reactions. The 7 star thing is dumb and devalues the scale, imo, but he probably thinks that match was some Tree of Life type shit or whatever, and suddenly thinks it's metrics above other things he called classics. I've also got to think, I can't blame him because I've turned off watching RAW regularly that he's thinking he should use his influence to get more people to watch Japan and other indies...people can draw parallels to the 90s if they want. Personally, I don't think it's that dire. But it is dire from the perspective that Dave constantly goes back to...how the modern wwe booking largely doesn't matter--which is fine until you get lots of shows you can't keep watching...and Dave clearly hates watching most WWE right now and I can't overly blame him.
  14. I think the alleged Punk thing is a worked shoot. If he really wanted to rustle feathers and get edited, he'd read Sunny's book and talk about Shawn's sexual habits/a particular lipstick, intercourse, and mirror habit. Whereas, the Punk thing strikes me as something that will be greenlit in 4 months if some people are caught on the right day.
  15. What examples come to mind for that? To me, he's seemed less interested, going thru the motions, and bored on Bruce's show vs. his other shows. I haven't watched the network show lately. I'd have to imagine between that, the bischoff pod, his regular business, and just enjoying himself doing watchalongs with Tony, that it's hard to gear up for STWW unless he's already into the topic.
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    Dave Meltzer stuff

    I think it all comes from a place of disappointment, that the top wrestling reporter (or whatever) is essentially Scott Keith. I think he's Ebert. As he gets older, he inflates ratings for things he likes. Dave's match ratings don't really have anything to do with him as a reporter, except to the extent some people conflate his ratings with facts, which they aren't.
  17. And Robin Williams was a huge fucking deal for a big chunk of the 90s. If you had any younger siblings, that would've been a hard movie to avoid. I can only assume Kris also hasn't seen the Lion King. Fun show from what I've heard. Breen and Bix are an entertaining combo, and Kris is maybe the best host I've heard yet for keeping things engaging but also keeping them moving. Those 2 are kings of tangents, which is fantastic, but I understand not wanting a 10 hour pod and wanting to get thru your notes. The brawl for all special was a classic btw.
  18. It's impossible to say without knowing more about the legal proceedings and where they were at by October 1999, but they should've not given him those raises in the first place, and if Hall had already done his depositions, there's really only so much he could do to hurt them, I'd guess. True. But there's the curveball of WWF fan nostalgia for Hogan, Hogan's obsession with being a babyface, and how when Austin goes, does Hogan get the urge to go back to the red and yellow. Maybe HHH plays it like 2002 and does the job so Hogan turns faces as becomes The Rock's nightmare. I'd bet his kliq buddies might give him that advice.
  19. Great show. Having made the mistake of watching that 2nd Georgia Dome Nitro in 1999, terrible Rick Steiner also beat the crap out of Vampiro there in an extended squash. I think Vampiro must've had heat for his sloppy work and other things for a going back into 1999. I personally think WCW was salvageble, but you would've had to fire a number of pain in the ass, overpaid talent to get things more in line, and at least 1 top tier guy. This is my hypothetical: If you were allowed to fire/send home Scott Hall and Hulk Hogan indefinitely, is WCW salvageable? I suspect doing both those things would put a ton of rebellious talent in line. And I'd throw in getting a worthless, pain in the ass talent like a Buff Bagwell, Rick Steiner, or Scott Norton to hit the bricks. I don't think it'd be hard because any of them would probably refuse to job to Eddie or Benoit when asked, and if they refuse enough times that's a breach. Making an example out of them would help clear the books and bring things in line. I think those moves might've ended up as potential poison pill moves for the WWF. Austin was clearly still the man, but he needed time on the shelf. Vince definitely would've signed him around Survivor Series of that year. You throw old Terry over there, you're not going to tell me he totally mucks up that WCW-esque WWF environment backstage and it doesn't become even more WCW? It'd also be interesting to see how Hogan coming over would've impacted HHH or the Rock politically. Final bonus to this scenario: If Nash does get pissed and quits because Hall got axed, and WWE grabs up Nash, do they pick up Hall? If they've got Hall, Nash, Hogan, WCW has still got the rights to the NWO and can sue WWF for anything that brings them together or even hints at an alliance. That's easy revenue because any attempt to integrate those guys into the company before the radicals or alongside them would probably shit the bed quickly, and you've still got plenty of talent depth and effectively made the WWF need to go even more plodding and poor brawling with their in-ring. But hey at least Kieran might get his wet dream since HHH, Nash, and Hall all being in the WWF might've gotten Shawn off his ass and will to come back.
  20. Right that's Kevin Nash as head booker, and a true nadir.
  21. I liked Houston wrestling, though I know people who know more about the territory have some issues with it. Otherwise I'd recommend: WWECW, the 1st Q&A #lovetoknow episode, the Macho Man episode, .Jim Cornette, and the XFL episode. Bret Hart 96-97 is quite good, especially if you're into the screwjob story. If you watched or care about TNA, many people responded to those because Bruce goes into burial mode. I enjoyed the Heenan episode, but I might've liked the Primetime Wrestling episode more--it's also largely a Heenan episode. The worst profile shows, imo, are Demolition, Cena, Punk, Edge, and the Steiners.
  22. Fun episode. I think it's fair to say the match is shit though if you can't see what's going on. I don't give the punjabi prison a partial pass for that type of thing either. Besides the Japanese women tag match, the Sting and Flair match is fun on this show, one of their more overlooked matches imo. In terms of worst matches...it's either the main event or it's the Duggan and Rogers undercard match. "The one true giant of the wrestling world!" lmfao I've always heard that Giant Gonzalez was planned to be the Yeti orginally, and then was planned for this match. But he couldn't make it and didn't end up in WCW (Visa issues is the most consistent report out there that I recall off hand.) As for who booked it...I mean, clearly Hogan had a big hand in this match. It was originally a #1 contenders match, then suddenly it's for the title, and Hogan does his BS at the end, even though he's not going to be at Starrcade and going to be off TV...the paranoia is obvious. Kevin Sullivan was the main booker at this time, and he put himself in the same ring as Hogan. Bischoff tends to insist he wasn't very involved in creative until 1996, but I've got to wonder, given that this event was repeated so many times in his run, including I think periods where Sullivan was taking time off.
  23. Post of the month for a timely John Ford reference that's also from a great fucking John Ford movie. Yes, there's a clear shift after awhile. I could be wrong, but it's felt like once the live show business really got clicking, that's around the time when Conrad steadily backed off more and more. I think we're really only in for that now with the Bischoff podcast. I haven't watch all the network shows, but they've noticeably been less combative compared to how the prior topics were covered before, imo, and kind of contrary to the PTI-esque split format and how that usually plays. The most generous way to read the shift would probably be that experiencing such success and monetizing and expanding on it would also probably make most make people be less combative co-hosts.
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    83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

    100%. I guess monkey sees, monkey does with the Eric trying to imitate Bruce's schtick, and in particular his Bret BS from last week with a poor man's Bossman and the Dave NBC tape false story, but doing it even worse... This latest episode had some merit, and Bischoff is generally less of an asshat on the Meltzer subject than most, but fuck....he's also comes off as the biggest douche persona of anybody on on Conrad's pods between Flair, Tony, himself, or Bruce. We can already look forward Bischoff having a meltdown over a Brian Pillman topic, when Liam O'Rourke's book gets lots of play over how Pillman evaluated and essentially worked Bischoff with the loose cannon gimmick.
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    WWE Hidden Gems

    Not breaking any new ground here but I can confirm Piper vs. Valentine is great. If there are a good number of really good to great Piper matches out there, he might climb considerably the next GWE.
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