Strummer Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 from Meltzer's Update: Trinity starts imminently on the main WWE roster playing the female half of a male/female love interest role for the new bisexual Orlando Jordan character. Hope you enjoyed your career Orlando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cam Chaos Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 From Golden Gloves champ to spineless lackey to sexually confused wrestler. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 These storylines would actually seem cutting edge if the writers were writing them with the intent of making them deep, relatable or even freaky characters instead of for comedy, which is all this will be played for. They're booking way out of their league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 They had it right with the initial Goldust character. He was so freaky that it worked. But then they couldn't resist trying to make it over the top and funny. That fact, along with GLAAD being on their case, led to the death of the character. They could have done something with Billy and Chuck, but that angle met the same fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cam Chaos Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Well they've had transvestites (Harvina and Goldust, almost Melina), lesbians (Sable, Torrie, Dawn Marie, Mickie James, HLA) and overtly gay characters (Rico, Chuck and Billy, Goldust), all that's left is bisexuals to be exploited for really poorly written and badly timed comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Famous Mortimer Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 But all the characters you mentioned as gay weren't, even in storyline. Rico had a beautiful female valet who he kissed a fair bit, Chuck and Billy were disgusted at almost going through with the gay wedding and Goldust also had a female valet. WWE has never had a single openly gay wrestler, or even really a suspectedly gay one, unless I missed one somewhere. And the lesbian thing is just bullshit to pull ratings and titillate teenage boys. If they want to do storylines, and have one about a confused bisexual man, then I'm all for it if they do it with the tiniest bit of dignity. But they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cam Chaos Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 But all the characters you mentioned as gay weren't, even in storyline. Rico had a beautiful female valet who he kissed a fair bit, Chuck and Billy were disgusted at almost going through with the gay wedding and Goldust also had a female valet. WWE has never had a single openly gay wrestler, or even really a suspectedly gay one, unless I missed one somewhere. And the lesbian thing is just bullshit to pull ratings and titillate teenage boys. If they want to do storylines, and have one about a confused bisexual man, then I'm all for it if they do it with the tiniest bit of dignity. But they won't. Rico also kissed guys in the middle of matches, pinched their butts and groped his own tag partner. Chuck and Billy were portrayed as gay up until the angle even if they did admit it was a publicity stunt. I believe they even went on a pro-gay TV show the week before the angle. Goldust had a crush on Razor Ramon and was stripped down to his lingerie by Roddy Piper. Whether it's bullshit to titilate boys or not, they've ran angles with Dawn Marie coming onto Torrie, Sable coming onto Torrie, currently have Mickie James kissing and complimenting Trish Stratus and ran a segment based on Hot Lesbian Action on Raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I wonder what would have happened if instead of Muhammad Hassan, they pushed an openly gay wrestler with the same angle -- claiming to be discriminated against, stuff like that. I wonder if it would get over if done right, and if the crowd would cheer or boo, and how much mainstream pub it would get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 It'd never work because they always end up chickening out. They kind of did that with the Rainbow Express in TNA but Lenny Lane kept getting hurt so they dropped the angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cam Chaos Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I unfortunately could see an ECW ONS like "You suck dick!" chant becoming prevalent whenever that wrestler appeared. Campiness is one thing, trying to portray a wrestler as being gay, open about it but not letting it get in the way of his profession that he's actually quite good at is something I doubt the writers can even fathom at this point and something that I have to wonder if wrestling fans would actually be able to dismiss and rally behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Gay wrestlers can get over, the Heart Throbs pulled it off in OVW, but it'll never happen in the WWF. Vince is just doesn't have the refinement in booking to pull it off. Though I've wondered for the last couple of years if Vince is repressing some serious homosexual urges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cam Chaos Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 The Heart Throbs worked on a small scale however they clearly have not adapted well to the big time. I think the problem is educating a small, faithful local crowd is a lot easier than trying to educate a global one where cultural differences may affect people's perceptions. Also given that the focus is on singles wrestling in WWE and they ran the Billy and Chuck angle as far as they could, I don't think Vince even had a serious interest in letting them keep the same gimmick they had as the Heart Breakers. I personally don't think someone's sexual preference should even enter the realm of wrestling on this level asince it's a very sensitive subject but obviously others at WWE disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spaceman Spiff Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 If this was somebody who was worth a shit, I'd probably care. But, as it is, it's just Orlando Jordan, y'know? The WWE writers couldn't pull it off, OJ doesn't have the charisma to pull it off, so whatever. Just so long as it doesn't get a lot of time on SD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 These storylines would actually seem cutting edge if the writers were writing them with the intent of making them deep, relatable or even freaky characters instead of for comedy, which is all this will be played for. They're booking way out of their league. There isn't a chance in hell anybody could make Orlando Jordan in a bisexual angle any good. Goldust was able to pull off an alternate sexual lifestyle because he has what we in the know like to call a "personality" or "charisma". Orlando Jordan can't even make his hairstyle seem interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Adrian Adonis was the only gay character I can think of who was actually supposed to be gay and not just pretending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SweetMama Scaat Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Well they've had transvestites (Harvina and Goldust, almost Melina),. What? Harvey Wippleman dressed as a woman to win the title. Goldust never had his penis made into a makeshit vagina and Melina pretty much a chick...I didnt understand this part of your post at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cam Chaos Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Well they've had transvestites (Harvina and Goldust, almost Melina),.What? Harvey Wippleman dressed as a woman to win the title. Goldust never had his penis made into a makeshit vagina and Melina pretty much a chick...I didnt understand this part of your post at all. Please look up the difference between transvestites and transexuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SweetMama Scaat Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Please dont take that condescending tone with me. But since you asked: Transvestite-A person who dresses and acts in a style or manner traditionally associated with the opposite sex. Transexual-: a person who has undergone a sex change operation 2: a person whose sexual identification is entirely with the opposite sex and since were in the mix:Transgender-Appearing as, wishing to be considered as, or having undergone surgery to become a member the opposite sex. I still dont see how any of this ahd to do with "almost" Melina, was there an Angle I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Yes. The planned ending of the Batista/Melina rape angle was to reveal Melina as a transvestite, but Stephanie McMahon shot it down, thinking it would ruin Melina's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SweetMama Scaat Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Hmmph. So STEPHANIE MCMAHON saved us from a bad sports entertainment incident? Hmmph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alfdogg Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 She looks out for you as long as you're not actually an active wrestler, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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