Bryan Danielson vs. Jack Brisco

[HeadCheese]

These two might be the two top contneders for greatest United States wrestler with both in my top 10 (At the lowest 20) for sure. 

[MoS]

Everything I have seen from Brisco has been tremendous, but I think, based on what I have seen, Danielson was better at more things in wrestling, and I don't think Brisco was Steamboat-esque transcendentally good at the thing he did for versatility to not be a factor. 

[ohtani's jacket]

I think it goes without saying that Brisco was a far better wrestler. 

[highflyflow]

Certainly goes with saying, because I’m definitely taking Danielson.

[EnviousStupid]

I'd also like to hear the argument, as even with aspects of wrestling I'd think Brisco is better at, I don't think it's something so cut and dry between the two.

[El McKell]

To me it's incredibly cut and dry between the two. Danielson smokes Jack Brisco in almost every aspect of pro-wrestling. Better execution, better babyface fire, better at creating a sense of escalating excitement in his matches, better at carrying himself like a star. This are all things Jack Brisco is pretty damn good at, but Danielson has him beat in all of 'em. 

[ohtani's jacket]

Brisco was clearly the better wrestler. he was an NCAA champion. Danielson was a pro-wrestler. I wouldn't object if anyone thought Danielson was the better worker, though I don't think it's cut and dried. Danielson was obviously better at modern day wrestling, but I don't think he could have filled the shoes of Brisco in the 1970s. Brisco has footage issues, but the Florida clips suggest he was capable of wrestling heated matches. The Briscos were a great tag team and capable of working heel. Post-prime Brisco was solid, and he was much better in Japan than Danielson. 

[El McKell]

41 minutes ago, ohtani's jacket said:

Brisco was clearly the better wrestler. he was an NCAA champion. Danielson was a pro-wrestler.

This feels like a motte and bailey, you made a very bold statement in your first statement, that you knew people would think you meant Brisco was a far better pro-wrestler and now you retreat to the easily defended position you actually meant. 

 

42 minutes ago, ohtani's jacket said:

 Danielson was obviously better at modern day wrestling, but I don't think he could have filled the shoes of Brisco in the 1970s. 

I think just anyone could just as easily say Brisco couldn't fill Danielson's shoes if he was put in his position in '06-'09 '13 or '24 or whatever.

45 minutes ago, ohtani's jacket said:

 Brisco has footage issues, but the Florida clips suggest he was capable of wrestling heated matches. The Briscos were a great tag team and capable of working heel. Post-prime Brisco was solid, and he was much better in Japan than Danielson. 

They're both capable of wrestling heated matches, whether that's Brisco clips in florida, Brisco vs Piper in '82, Danielson vs Morishima or Danielson vs Swerve. But I think the emotion is more palpable in Danielson and Morishima from Final Battle 2008 than any Brisco match. Jack Brisco is a capable heel, but as great as Briscos vs Steamboat and Youngblood is, I can't  look at Danielson vs Roderick Strong (a horrible babyface at this time and specifically in this match) from 2006-03-31 and not say that is a better heel performance than any I've seen from Jack Brisco. 

Brisco is better in Japan than Danielson, but in Brisco's case it's what makes up the bulk of the footage from his peak and in Danielson's case its something nobody thinks about when the look at his career because it makes up less than 1% of it.

[ohtani's jacket]

I don't know what a motte and bailey is, but the post above me said that Danielson was better at most things in wrestling. He wasn't better at wrestling than Brisco. That was my point. 

[MoS]

34 minutes ago, ohtani's jacket said:

I don't know what a motte and bailey is, but the post above me said that Danielson was better at most things in wrestling. He wasn't better at wrestling than Brisco. That was my point. 

To be clear, I meant pro wrestling. I am well aware that Brisco is a far better wrestler. 

Also, hi, what's up! The Kiwis are gaining quite a reputation as the real chokers in cricket 😛

[ohtani's jacket]

24 minutes ago, MoS said:

To be clear, I meant pro wrestling. I am well aware that Brisco is a far better wrestler. 

Also, hi, what's up! The Kiwis are gaining quite a reputation as the real chokers in cricket 😛

Hey, we won a test series in India in my lifetime. 

I think it translates to a pro-wrestling ring as well, though a lot of people appear to love Danielson's mat wrestling. I find Danielson's matwork to be post-modern, for want of a better work, compared to Brisco's classical style.  I'm sure there's a comparison between Indian batsmen that can be made. 

[Jetlag]

Briscoe vs. Inoki is amazing, but I think Danielson/Low Ki holds up pretty good against it when it comes to mat wrestling. What else is there from Brisco besides some clips and a handful of cool TV matches? Seems it's mostly clips, and I recall his AJPW work not being that amazing but he was working against Dory Funk Jr. and rookie Jumbo there which is not the best competition. To be fair, Danielson has like a 100 more taped main events against a variety of opponents over a 20 year career, so it's a bit of an uneven comparison.