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  1. I'm going to be taping an interview with WWE Hall of Famer Jimmy Valiant on Tuesday for a future episode of Smart Mark Radio. This thread is where you are to post any questions you might have for him.
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  3. I never said Cena was booked as a heel, merely booed like one. And closed fists are technically illegal regardless of whether WWE enforces the rule or not. Tennis balls and super soakers are illegal too and that cheating bastard Hornswoggle still used them against Matt Striker on SmackDown without so much as a slap on the wrist. To paraphrase Jesse Ventura, "So it's OK to cheat when the fan favorites do it?"
  4. Rob Feinstein: "Do you think Verne pushed Greg too much?" Bobby Heenan: "I don't think he pushed him enough. He should have pushed him off a cliff."
  5. Except the boos of the crowd and the illegal closed fists. Why is it nobody ever complains when the babyfaces break the rules first?
  6. JHawk

    Buyrates

    D2D failed for several reasons: 1. No "major" stars. 2. Only two matches were actually announced ahead of time...one of them not including any ECW wrestlers. 3. The dissimilarity to the old ECW. 4. Survivor Series airing the week before it. And I could probably go on.
  7. Why, when looking at that, did I get flashbacks to George Foreman hosting SNL and doing the "Time Boxer" skit?
  8. I could make a good list of things said on TNT that would cause a major PR controversy today. On another note, it gets kind of annoying that whenever any type of editing occurs, someone suggests maybe it has to do with Chris Benoit, and that IMMEDIATELY becomes fact, to the point where Meltzer reports it. Considering they claimed recording errors when TNT showed replays of the shows the same evening, somebody's kayfabing somebody somewhere. Do you have a better explanation?
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  10. I was following the AWA at the time and I don't remember the album. If it did get released, I want a link to an ebay auction.
  11. Amazing to me that Meltz didn't get into the women's tag at Rumble 88, as that was so much better than anything else on that card. I was always under the impression Roma was injured legit taking the tumble to the floor at the end of the first fall and they had to change the original finish, but if that's true Meltzer had no idea about it when he wrote the review.
  12. He won't. Brock dominated the fight and got caught with a quick kneebar. It's not like Lesnar looked horrible out there. If he improves his submission defense, he'll be awesome in MMA.
  13. Former World Class referee James Beard is going to be my guest on Smart Mark Radio this Sunday, and while I'd obviously rather have you guys call in your questions, I figured I'd give you guys who can't call in the opportunity to get your questions in.
  14. Any idea which Muraco-Backlund match they're showing?
  15. Five years ago I'd have agreed with that, but I doubt enough people who aren't already watching Raw every week would tune in just to see Britney. They might hit a 4.0 on the curiosity factor, but much above that's a stretch.
  16. The beginning of the end was about three weeks after the relaunch when Sabu got disqualified for using a chair and people who wanted Extreme Championship Wrestling got "DQs for stuff that wouldn't draw a slap on the wrist on Raw" instead. This is more like the inevitable being more obvious.
  17. There are rumors of Britney appearing on WWE TV, possibly WrestleMania. South Park won't make fun of her because they're afraid she'll kill herself, but Vince has no shame.
  18. Not really. John I'd say there are others who are much less deserving who are in. If you want the analogy route, Graham is the Dizzy Dean of the Hall, a popular guy who got in despite a short career because of a couple hot years. Graham got in largely because he could draw money, although he sucked hard in the ring. The knock on Backlund was that a lot of the houses he drew had really strong undercards (which is kind of a circular argument, because then you could turn around and say the reason Nash didn't draw as WWF champion was because the undercards sucked) and he didn't have enough charisma to draw a house on his own.
  19. That would be correct. Funny to see they wanted to push the Fantastics in WCCW when they be with Crockett by March.
  20. The fact that Steamboat was selling the throat crushing so well that it turned into lawsuit material shows you how great Steamboat was. Reading this gives the impression that the paramedic thought Steamboat stopped selling and intentionally punched her.
  21. There was a clip on YouTube I wanted to use but it got taken down before I made the post.
  22. Essentially a repost of an old article I wrote in the dying days of the TSM main site, but I thought it'd make for good discussion. Credit for the bulk of this article goes to the fine posters over at the Kayfabe Memories Message Board, the Pro Wrestling Chronicle website, the Slam! Wrestling website, and my frazzled memory. Honestly, there's so much in that head of mine at this point that I have trouble remembering fact from fiction these days. NOTE: This is hardly a complete list, and as such there is no ranking system of any sort. I’m just listing guys in the order I thought of them, and I know there are a ton I’m missing. I'm also providing YouTube clips when possible to get an idea of what we're talking about here. Robocop: Professional Wrestler One of the problems with the Ted Turner-owned World Championship Wrestling was the man in charge, Jim Herd. Jim Herd apparently could run one hell of a pizza hut, but he knew nothing about wrestling. In 1990, Jim Herd thought it would be a good idea to delve into the movie rights owned by Ted Turner and use the characters as wrestlers. He obviously thought the WWF's No Holds Barred crossover of the year before worked much better than it really did. So in addition to the idea of a wrestling hunchback (the hump would prevent him from ever being pinned) and the peg-legged wrestler (Ric Flair figure-four leglock would be ineffective against the wooden leg), Herd came up with this brilliant quote: “Could Rhett Butler beat Ric Flair?” Well, Rhett Butler never made an appearance in WCW, but Robocop did. Not only was Robocop brought in as Sting’s “bodyguard” for the Capital Combat 90 PPV event, but Robocop’s appearance was essentially billed as the main event of the PPV. Robocop’s appearance was so forgettable that, if not for this clip, I would remember nothing about it, except it was also the night another bust on this list debuted… El Gigante Jorge Gonzalez didn’t come to the United States to be a professional wrestler. He came to the States to be a professional basketball player. Gonzalez signed with the Ted Turner-owned Atlanta Hawks in either late-1989 or early-1990, but he never saw a minute on the hardwood due to his bad knees. So what do you do with a guy who stands a legit 7’7” but can’t play basketball? You sign him to your wrestling company, of course. Here's his horrible match with One Man Gang at Great American Bash 1991. In fairness to Gonzalez, he did make an effort to improve in his four years in wrestling, but he really did nothing of note except feud with The Undertaker under the name Giant Gonzalez in the WWF. The combination of Gonzalez’s bad knees and failing health had him basically out of the business altogether by the start of 1994. Although I think he wrestled Muta in 1995. Glacier What article about wrestling’s busts would be complete without discussing Glacier? Many of you can probably remember the vignettes airing on literally every WCW show for months, featuring what appeared to be the Sub-Zero character from Mortal Kombat doing all his martial arts motions while snow fell in the background. Literally, three months of these “Blood Runs Cold” vignettes aired, sometimes twice in one segment, on every WCW program (and there were a lot of them in 1996). When Glacier finally debuted though, it was the crowd reactions that ran cold, and despite them trying for two years to get the gimmick over, Glacier was relegated to the lower midcard for almost his entire run. That didn’t stop the geniuses running WCW in 2000 from bringing the gimmick back and acknowledging how stupid it was on the air. Chris Taylor I almost didn't include this one. Chris Taylor was an amateur wrestling standout, winning a bronze medal for the United States in the 1972 Munich Olympics. In fact, if not for a controversial decision that ended the referee’s Olympic career, the 350-plus-pound Taylor may very well have taken the gold. The Michigan native soon turned professional, training with Verne Gagne. Taylor had a humble disposition about him, and given his amateur background seemed like a sure fit for the AWA. He even brought professional wrestling into the mainstream, as many of Taylor’s professional matches aired on ABC’s Wide World of Sports. One of those matches was a two-ring battle royal that came down to Mad Dog Vachon and Taylor that Taylor won…but not before Mad Dog made sure Taylor was blown up and bloodied. However, Taylor’s weight at times would balloon to over 450 pounds, thus making working long matches difficult. Also, Taylor’s tendency to acknowledge the worked nature of professional wrestling likely kept him from becoming a true household name. Taylor’s health failed him, and he passed away on June 30, 1979 at the age of 29. The Shockmaster Here we come to a case of the gimmick being a bust moreso than the worker involved. See, Fred Ottman had been wrestling about seven years when he went to WCW in 1993. After a run as Big Bubba in Memphis and as Big Steel Man in Florida, Ottman went on to greater fame in the WWF as Tugboat and, later, Typhoon. Never put on fantastic matches, but good for a big man. When his contract ran out in 1993, Eric Bischoff couldn’t wait to sign him, and head booker Dusty Rhodes couldn’t wait to push him into the main event. Ottman, dubbed The Shockmaster, made his TV debut on a live Clash of the Champions during a Flair for the Gold segment as the partner of Sting and Davey Boy Smith in an upcoming War Games match. Ottman, sporting a mask that looked like a storm trooper out of Star Wars, was supposed to burst through the walls of the set and look imposing while the distorted voice of Ole Anderson cut a promo to hype the War Games match. Which is exactly what happened. Except for the looking imposing part. Instead, Ottman tripped going through the set. His mask fell off, and as he was trying in vain to put it back on and salvage the angle, Anderson went into the promo anyway, apparently unaware Ottman fell. The segment was such a disaster that broadcasters Tony Schiavone and Jesse Ventura were laughing about it through the entire next segment. The Shockmaster went from being this monster to a lovable but clumsy construction worker. The Shockmaster was gone in six months, but not before Dusty tried to bring in someone (I always thought it was supposed to be John Tenta but never got that confirmed) as “The Super Shockmaster”, complete with Ole Anderson-voiceover. The angle was thankfully scrapped before it could reach fruition. The Black Scorpion Which brings us to another angle that used the voice of Ole Anderson and failed miserably. I’m sensing a pattern. With Ric Flair being faded into the midcard after losing the NWA World Title to Sting, Sting really didn’t have a major heel challenger in place. (Rule #1 in wrestling: Always build up a new challenger before pushing the former champion to the side.) So while the booking committee was busy trying to make Sid Vicious look like a threat, they had another idea: Create a challenger for Sting. Enter the Black Scorpion. Scorpion debuted on TV in a series of vignettes where a shadowy figure with a distorted voice that was a dead ringer for Ole Anderson left cryptic “clues” as to his identity to Sting, the most widely-repeated being “California, 1986”. Surely it was a member of Powerteam USA, who Sting broke into the business with. Or maybe it was Larry Zbyszko, who Sting feuded with briefly in the UWF. A stretch, maybe, but I do remember rumors to that effect at the time. The angle itself was reasonable enough. There was only one problem. Ole had the Angel of Death in mind to play the part of the Black Scorpion, but he didn’t actually bother to sign the Angel prior to starting the angle. What followed was probably the biggest flop of an angle in wrestling history. With Sting defending the NWA World Title against The Black Scorpion at a live Clash of the Champions, a series of vignettes had aired where Scorpion promised to unmask if he didn’t win the title. So of course, Sting wins the match, but not only doesn’t the Scorpion unmask, but the Scorpion Sting was wrestling was a fake! In fact, the real Scorpion, easily 3-6 inches taller than the one who just wrestled, was standing on the ramp looking at Sting after the match. (The match can be viewed in two parts on YouTube, with part one here). Supposedly the Scorpion that wrestled that night was former World Class Champion Al Perez, who hadn’t been seen in a year and hasn’t been seen since. The second one? The Angel of Death, who apparently agreed to an appearance but not a contract. The angle got progressively worse, with Scorpion conducting “black magic” to get into Sting’s head over the next few months. These bits were mind-numbingly stupid, particularly when they turned the one guy into a “tiger” that looked more like a leopard, then doing his own disappearing act that was so mind-numbingly unmagical that members of the crowd were actually pointing to tell Sting where he disappeared to. Watch Gordon Solie recap the feud With no real blow off plan in place, they finally blew the angle off at Starrcade 1990 (available in four part with part one here), revealing the Scorpion to be Ric Flair playing mind games all along. Which might have worked had they not made it obvious by pulling Flair out of his scheduled tag team title match with Doom that had been scheduled to blow off that long-running feud. Seriously, I was twelve years old at the time and I remember the conversation I had with my friend Dan the next day like it was yesterday. Me: “The Black Scorpion was Flair, right?” Dan: “Yeah.” Me: “Did he win?” Dan: "No." Yes, I expected Flair to be the Black Scorpion and reveal himself after he won the title, just to prove Sting to be an idiot. That payoff probably would have worked better than what they went with. Funny how Ole Anderson lost his booking job two weeks later. Outback Jack Never had Vince McMahon given anybody so much pre-debut publicity and gotten nothing for his investment quite like this. With the popularity of the movie Crocodile Dundee in 1986, McMahon decided he should use it to his advantage by creating an Australian WWF superstar. With Australian tours drawing well in 1986 despite the top stars being largely midcard talent, surely this would gain McMahon a foothold overseas. Enter Outback Jack, who was introduced in December 1986 with a series of well-produced vignettes that still rank among the best introduction vignettes ever seen in the WWF. Sadly, YouTube doesn't seem to have those available. Fast-forward to February 1987 when Jack made his WWF TV debut, where he sucked hard. Happily, YouTube only has a couple of his matches. Outback Jack was about as over as a suicide angle after three months of action. In May, Jack was put into a feud with returning veteran Killer Khan in which Khan blinded him with green mist. Khan won the TV blow off that summer, and Jack’s TV appearances were limited to largely tag team matches and a meaningless battle royal. Most people believe the Khan match was Jack’s last TV appearance. Not true. It’s just that he was so bad that nobody remembers seeing him after that. Tom Magee If anybody had the complete package to be a World Champion in this business, it was Tom Magee. A former bodybuilder, Magee was trained for professional wrestling in the Stu Hart Dungeon made his professional wrestling debut in early-1986, main eventing against -- and defeating -- Riki Chosyu in Japan. Reports from many of the fans in attendance said Magee combined the perfect blend of look, style, and athleticism that was needed to be a major superstar. Even Dave Meltzer made similar comments in the Wrestling Observer newsletter. Fast forward to October 7 of that same year. At a taping of WWF Wrestling Challenge at the War Memorial in Rochester, New York, Magee wrestled Bret Hart in the second half of the marathon four-hour-plus taping. Magee backflipped into the ring, and over the course of seven minutes or so not only had the crowd reacting for the first time in over two hours, but reportedly had Vince McMahon himself screaming “That’s my next champion” while watching the match on a monitor. One problem. His opponent was Bret Hart. Hart had made Magee look like a million bucks, to the point the conscious decision was made not to air the match until such time as they were ready to made Magee the heir-apparent to Hulk Hogan. Magee would wrestle on C-level house shows…and actually regress to the point that by 1989, he was completely out of the business as an almost unheard-of competitor. Anything else you guys can think of?
  23. Wrestle War 90 as well
  24. Projects and Lists, please. PM'd you. -- Loss, 01/09
  25. I've heard of tournaments for cars and money, but this is a new one for me. Oh man, this had the makings of a great angle. Imagine some heel winning the tournament and taking on a new gimmick as a cocky, mink coat-wearing fashionista. And then you could have a virtuous animal-loving babyface splatter the coat with red paint, starting a hot new feud. Now that's money! I wonder who won that tourney. I hope it was the Assassin. I'd love to see him sportin' a mink. At least if a babyface wins he has a nice present for his wife and/or boyfriend. Looking for Adrian Street's name in the participants' list but I don't see it.
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