Loss
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Anyway, here is my thought on labels in general, courtesy of one Dr. Seuss.
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I have never heard a single person say any of those things you put in quotes. Never. Not a single time. Ever. Anyway, foolish is the man who only sees people in groups instead of as individuals. Internet wrestling fans argue too much to be a monolith, which should be obvious to anyone who has spent more than five minutes on a message board. This topic doesn't do much for me. Please explain why the IWC is a phenomenon.
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I always find Matt D's thoughts interesting. From what I can gather, he likes wrestlers who can convey the big picture stuff really well, and matches that keep it simple and grand. Is that accurate?
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It gets better soon.
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My summary of this would be very close to that of Phil's, with the exception being that ... I liked Fujiwara more. Yeah, how about that? This works as a comparison to All Japan six-mans in 1994. I'm not sure what it says, but it's comparable in length and features a good mix of guys to make that comparison. Not really a great match, but I enjoy anything where Choshu and Hashimoto get to face off in what seems like the most important combat in the world. -
Between Cactus and Scorpio, you can definitely track ECW changing and becoming something that stands out.
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Cactus puts over his upcoming matches with Sabu. I'm sure there was quite the buzz over this match coming up in ECW.
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Public Enemy are supposedly at the Double Cross Ranch and wow do I loathe these guys when they talk.
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Just a wonderfully constructed, violent match that gets progressively better the longer it goes. Both guys pull off some terrific dives, there's lots of blood and intensity and hatred, and even with CMLL's horribly mic'd crowds, you can hear the heat picking up as the match progresses. There are also some iconic visuals here that really get over the hatred. Everything you want in a hair match. Superb.
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Lawler's guest is apparently Roddy Piper, and I know what's going to happen before it even happens. A kid with Kate Moss's body comes out in a kilt and Vince couldn't be more appalled. He does a decent amateur Piper impersonation. They had Tom Pritchard on the roster - why not use him for this segment?
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They did a lot of on location filming to try to get this gimmick over, I'll give them that. And I think Ray Traylor committed himself to it. But he just needed to be the Big Boss Man.
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Gene Okerlund calls the Hogan signing the biggest day in WCW history. Flair takes exception to this, being synonymous with WCW and all. He's all fired up, and justifiably so. He says the bigger deal than Hogan is Flair vs Sting in a unification match. Flair says he's nothing until he's wrestled Austin, Flair, Anderson, Sting and others, he's nobody. While I enjoyed this, there are small cracks in the armor. Let's see how much longer Flair is Flair.
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It looks like Jake's promos have forced Dirty White Boy to step up his game! He was always a great talker, but this is the best thing he ever did, and one of the best interviews of the year. He responds to Jake recently putting his hands on Dirty White Girl. Jake is back at the set. Jake couldn't be bothered to listen, because he was signing autographs for other wrestlers. He shoots on his dad and spits on the ground and says the mistakes of others are what has made him so twisted. Jake is awesome! Both guys rock.
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This team has been insanely overhyped. Another music video, this one with highlights of them actually wrestling, to the tune of Van Hagar's "Standing On Top Of The World". Who could cheer a team that uses a Van Hagar song?
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Tammy has called a press conference. She claims that allegations of there being dissension in her team, which are the result of a male-driven media. She also points out that those who think they don't like each other never took business classes at Wellesley and don't understand competition between employees. This is great!
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About four minutes of pretty good footage. Match has no heat. I think Gilbert was pretty useless to the USWA at this point because he had turned so many times that no one cared about him anymore.
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Started off hot, then spiraled into them laying on the mat for the bulk of the match. I wouldn't call it bad, but it was bland and didn't have the excitement the matches between these two normally have. It picked up a little toward the end, but more in a "solid opener" type way than an Aja/Kansai way. Off night.
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**** in the WON.
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When did Metal turn? Weird that I didn't notice him teaming with Rey and Winners earlier in the year. That's some impressive dragging out of Jerry Estrada's name by the ring announcer! Really a standout AAA trios match with quite a few twists and turns. At first, everyone tries to wrestle. Santo and Psicosis try, and in a funny moment, Sagrada gets in the mount position and challenges Parka to actually wrestle. Parka acts scared for his life and takes a few bumps off of Sagrada while barely making contact with him. Great comedy! Parka's comedy is the highlight of this match. Heavy Metal and Jerry Estrada work well together, but I wish they were working more schtick to fit in with everyone else, as their wrestling doesn't have as much personality, but they are great sequences. And for whatever reason, La Parka and Mascara Sagrada have really good chemistry. Santo and Psicosis keep popping up opposite each other, but they can't ever seem to quite meet their own standards to me. I like the teased finish in the first fall of the guy doing the headscissors in the middle of the make-a-wish spot, just because that always happens in these matches, and instead they use it as a false finish. La Parka and Psicosis as combustible tag team partners is also always a great time. I'm not sure what the issue is, but does anyone else notice that Santo tends to be invisible in these trios matches? I don't get it. The third fall gets more serious, with Metal bleeding and being worked over. We get an awesome dive train to close things out before Estrada makes Metal submit. The dance-off to "Thriller" with Santo, Parka and Psicosis rocks!
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The numbers are in the top right hand corner of each response.
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They ran a PPV in Denver, CO in 1991. Fargo, ND ended up a huge market for WCW in 1998, so it's weird they didn't run there sooner.
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I remember them trying to do a memorable show in New Haven, CT, to heat up Flair/Funk. At Clash 8, when Funk does the hospital promo, that's supposedly based on a match that got out of control in New Haven. They also tried a Clash that year in upstate NY (which I realize isn't quite New England). I don't think the New Haven thing really worked, so maybe that's why they shied away. I'm also curious what kind of building exclusives the WWF had in place in that region during that time period.
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It's hard to argue that wrestling would be better today if matwork was more over. It was worth putting in the effort, and eventually it would have been. You can condition wrestling fans to accept almost anything if it's made to seem important. As for the rest of your comment ... yeah, not getting into that.
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I love Watts for trying to do things that a non-wrestling person would never think of that were important, like re-emphasizing matwork and holds. There was a massive re-education effort by announcers during this time that was going to take some time. Also, the top rope thing was just a way to get over top rope stuff. He gets criticized for that, but it was all based on observations that going to the top rope never got the pop it should have and he thought by making it seem like an outlaw thing, he could bring it back in a few months and those moves would be more over again because fans would miss the moves. It ended up having the opposite effect of getting heat on the promotion, but his intentions were good. Again, those are things that would be completely out of the realm of a non-wrestling guy running the company.
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It's possible you're right. I was thinking Herd was released not long after letting Flair go. There are time periods where it's not even clear who was running WCW. I'm not sure if this was one of them.