Jump to content
Pro Wrestling Only

Loss

Admins
 View Profile  See their activity

  • Posts

    46439

  • Joined

  • Last visited

 Content Type 

Everything posted by Loss

  1. Loss
    Vince talks about how the WWF has "real wrestling" while Memphis wrestling is just a fire-throwing contest! These are terrific and would probably be better had Vince never become a fixture in late 90s wrestling.
  2. Loss
    Lawler does a rare semi-serious heel promo in the WWF and vows revenge on Bret Hart.
  3. Loss
    We get post-match footage from Summerslam, as Luger celebrates in the locker room with Randy Savage, Tatanka and the Steiners, and Ludvig Borga quickly interrupts to tell him that he's not impressed.
  4. Loss
    Last few minutes. Pretty decent action building to a Gibson hot tag. Sullivan runs in and spikes Ricky Morton.
  5. Loss
    Cornette does another great promo from his bed in a neckbrace. The closing line is great. "If you don't have any more coloring books to give me, at least give me the Observer" -- Cornette to Del Ray Hilarious! Then, we segue to the infamous "Your mistress is a whore!" promo from Terry Funk mentioned in Mick Foley's book.
  6. Loss
    "A little fear goes a long way in pro wrestling." -- Great quote Another old style local promo hyping Ultra Clash '93.
  7. Loss
    Takayama continues to impress! Hard fought match with some really rapid exchanges. Talk about a guy who had a great year. He's not elite, but he was very, very good.
  8. Loss
    Smothers explains his knee injury and says he'll be back sooner than expected seeking revenge on DWB and Brian Lee. Smothers throws out some peculiar insults.
  9. Loss
    Tommy Rich does an interview dressed in a suit while standing in a bathroom because Jeff Jarrett can relate to a bathroom (??) Anyway, he flushes the toilet and says that's what he's going to do to Jeff when he gets to the USWA. Rich avoids pronouns like the plague and Jarrett does in his response too. Must be because Vince was in the area at the time. Rich blindsides Jarrett and there we go.
  10. Loss
    They show the finish of the Bret/Lawler cage match, then cut to an interview with Lawler. Lawler brags about beating Bret two nights in a row and now being the undisputed king of the WWF. They show a taped Vince interview, which is predictably outstanding, and even includes a Jim Nabors impersonation! Lawler says before he is through, there will be more WWF names on his list, and he'll start with Giant Gonzales.
  11. Loss
    This is awesome! Borga complains about Luger and America and Labor Day. "Have a Happy Labor Day and choke on it!"
  12. Loss
    Luger sits outside some building facing a mountain and some water while being interviewed by Vince McMahon. Luger says he knows that some day, some how, he will be the WWF champion. They blew their opportunity, too late.
  13. Loss
    Misawa's elbows are definitely the great equalizer, as it's his calling card anytime Doc starts to gain momentum. Really good match. Both guys had much better matches in '93, but this has a rightful place.
  14. Loss
    No one wants to have the debate, including the person who started the topic, so I'm closing this.
  15. Loss
    I don't want to be rude, but ... who cares?
  16. Loss
    Whatever makes the least sense, costs the most money and would be the most infuriating, they'd probably double down on.
  17. Loss
    Russo isn't alone in this, but he takes gimmicks based on puns and acronyms to a new level.
  18. Loss
    Anyone know the date for the Cactus/Sabu Desert Death Match from NWC Total Chaos? (Not the cage match.) At that point, I think the '95 list is pretty sewn up.
  19. Loss
    I ranked him #19 during the Smarkschoice poll a few years ago. It's one of the few rankings that wouldn't be different today. The more Ricky Morton I see, the more his case is strengthened.
  20. Loss
    Goodbye.
  21. Loss
    They were. It was maybe a couple of weeks tops. Doc's promo explaining his joining of the Varsity Club is one of the great non-sensical promos ever. As John McAdam once said, the NWA was so overbooked at that point that they no longer ran angles to turn people, they just announced the turns.
  22. Loss
    I'm pretty open in terms of what I like in wrestling. All wrestling I like has one major thing in common: it makes sense. Usually, when I don't like something, it's because it doesn't. I look at wrestling as having mythology. I don't need believability. I need internal continuity within that mythology. That's why something like Baba's strikes don't bother me. They're put over and sold as dangerous. I think the beauty of wrestling is that you can get just about anything over if it's protected and presented well. When they're not sold properly, it becomes more evident how ridiculous they look and it takes me out of the moment. When deciding what wrestlers I like, I don't really care about offense. It obviously doesn't hurt, but seeing how they take bumps and how they sell and interact with the crowd goes a lot farther with me. I love strong, clear heel/face divides. Heels who don't trash talk or act like terrible people make me lose interest. My wrestling needs to be a morality play. Heat is more important to me than it is to most people. If a match is well-worked but has no crowd reaction, I don't want to say I can't enjoy it, but it becomes very difficult, because if a match doesn't involve the crowd, it really failed to achieve its first goal. I am always impressed by wrestlers who can turn around a dead, apathetic or even hostile crowd through their work in the ring. The emotional manipulation factor has always fascinated me. I love comedy in the context of a serious match. I love lack-of-heel-coordination spots. I love flash pins -- schoolboys, inside cradles, etc. My favorite style of match is a main eventer wrestling a midcarder and the midcarder almost pulling off the win but not quite getting there. These are typically matches where the midcarder gets over in losing because of a strong showing. This same dynamic also applies to established stars/vets vs young guys. Things I wish would go away in wrestling: * Forearm trading. Learn to throw a good punch! * No-selling of aforementioned forearm trading * Marketing impacting wrestling style (Wrestlers having to win with their finisher because they have a t-shirt that has the finisher name on it) * Business models that aren't made or broken by house show attendance and PPV buys * Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff
  23. Loss
    Bret Hart was a great wrestler. But really, does his 80s tag team run do anything to help or harm his case? Wouldn't he be every bit as well-regarded without it? smkelly: Perhaps there's a style bias. It's just that, not something with roots in the Civil War if that is what you're taking from this. I don't know how much Southern style wrestling you have watched, but in general, most things that people complain are missing from modern wrestling are things that were never huge priorities in the WWF that were a key part of most territories. Victator: I will watch the Rockers/Demos tag first chance I get. Jerry: You mentioned Harts/Bulldogs from '86. They had tons of matches in '86. Which are you referring to? I'll make a point to watch it. I remember Harts vs Busters from Summerslam being a very good match. In order for the Harts, Demolition or Bulldogs to compare to the top NWA teams of the era, I'd need to see at least 5-10 matches from each team that are just as good.
  24. Loss
    They weren't bad matches. 80s WWF tag teams had plenty of good matches. One feud that has specifically gotten some love the past few years is Strike Force vs Islanders. There are also some matches jdw has liked more than the general voting reflected when wading through 80s WWF, like Steamboat/Santana vs Dream Team. But it's the difference between a company that promotes a midcard division of wrestlers that rarely, if ever, interact with anyone outside of it and feels like just another cog in the wheel, and a company that promotes tag teams just like everyone else where the wrestlers involved are stars who get singles main event opportunities. The Rock & Roll Express and the Road Warriors weren't Ric Flair, but the Flair/Morton stuff is among the most memorable feuds of the era, and I would argue that the Midnight Express/Road Warriors Skywalkers match is the most famous match of the national JCP era. The matches generally weren't as heated or memorable in the WWF and the angles surrounding the tag titles didn't drive business, nor were the teams as over in their company. I'd compare how the WWF pushed tag teams in the 80s to how WCW pushed cruiserweights in the 90s -- in their own universe with lots of good workers, but not really given the tools to deliver at the level they could have, and not a key part of what made the company successful. If there is a bias toward 80s WWF tag teams, which I will readily admit on my side there probably is, it's because it was an environment that wasn't conducive to getting the most out of tag teams. I realize my own hypocrisy in talking about judging teams by where they work being a product of elitism, but this to me is not a debate over who would have been best had they all been in the same environment. Rather it is a debate over who actually was best in the environment they were in. Regardless of whatever "what if?" scenarios we can imagine, we can only judge teams on what they actually did in the end. Yes, part of it is out of their control. I suspect the British Bulldogs in Mid South (which almost happened) would have been awesome. You mentioned the Arn/Tully match at Summerslam '89, which is a very good match, probably their best. But when I watch it next to Arn/Tully vs Windham/Luger, it feels lacking.
  25. Loss

    Matches of the Month

    Loss replied to Loss's topic in 1993

    August 1993: #1 - Aja Kong vs Dynamite Kansai (AJW 08/25/93) ****3/4 #2 - Naoki Sano vs Yoji Anjo (UWFI 08/13/93) ****3/4 #3 - Steve Williams vs Kenta Kobashi (AJPW 08/31/93) ****1/2 #4 - Genichiro Tenryu vs Shinya Hashimoto (NJPW G-1 Climax 08/08/93) ****1/4 #5 - Manami Toyota vs Akira Hokuto (AJW 08/21/93) ****1/4 #6 - Doug Furnas & Dan Kroffat vs Kenta Kobashi & Satoru Asako (AJPW 08/20/93) **** #7 - Yoshihiro Takayama vs Gene Lydick (UWFI 08/13/93) **** #8 - Hiroshi Hase vs Shinya Hashimoto (NJPW G-1 Climax 08/03/93) **** #9 - Masa Chono vs Hiroshi Hase #10 - Bret Hart vs Yokozuna (WWF MSG 08/13/93) **** #11 - MS-1 vs Cien Caras (AAA 08/22/93) **** #12 - Akira Hokuto vs Harley Saito (AJW 08/13/93) **** #13 - Jerry Lawler vs Mr Perfect (USWA 08/09/93) ***3/4 #14 - Rock & Roll Express, Bob, Scott & Steve Armstrong vs Heavenly Bodies, Bruise Brothers & Jim Cornette (SMW Rage in the Cage 08/14/93) ***3/4 #15 - Devil Masami vs Hikari Fukuoka (JWP 08/15/93) ***3/4 #16 - Ric Flair vs Sting (WCW Saturday Night 08/21/93) ***3/4 #17 - Tracy Smothers vs Brian Lee (SMW 08/14/93) ***3/4 #18 - Mitsuharu Misawa, Jun Akiyama & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Toshiaki Kawada, Akira Taue & Masa Fuchi (AJPW 08/20/93) ***1/2 #19 - Heavenly Bodies & Jim Cornette vs Scott, Steve & Bob Armstrong (SMW 08/13/93) ***1/2 #20 - Octagoncito & Mascarita Sagrada vs Espectrito & Jerrito Estrada (AAA 08/28/93) ***1/2 #21 - Rick & Scott Steiner vs Heavenly Bodies (WWF Summerslam 08/30/93) ***1/2 #22 - Vader vs Davey Boy Smith (WCW Clash of the Champions XXIV 08/18/93) ***1/2 #23 - El Hijo del Santo vs Heavy Metal (AAA 08/13/93) ***1/4 #24 - Super Delphin, Jinsei Shinzaki & Gran Naniwa vs Taka Michinoku, Great Sasuke & Sato (Michinoku Pro 08/19/93) ***1/4 #25 - Akira Hokuto vs Yumiko Hotta (AJW 08/21/93) ***1/4 #26 - Great Sasuke vs Super Delphin (Michinoku Pro 08/24/93) ***1/4 #27 - Tracy Smothers vs Brian Lee (SMW 08/13/93) *** Still need to watch/re-watch: Eddy Guerrero, Love Machine & Fuerza Guerrera vs El Hijo del Santo, Octagon & Blue Panther (AAA 08/28/93) Rey Misterio Jr, Misterioso & Volador vs Heavy Metal, Psicosis & Jerry Estrada (AAA 08/28/93)
×
×
  • Create New...