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Yes, Bash '89 is a good show, but it's no FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2007 WWE.
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The greatest things ever written on wrestling message boards
Loss replied to Bix's topic in Megathread archive
That was in a thread where they were going back and forth with Dangerous Dan, so I think it was him. -
I can't believe this show was 20 years ago, today. That's insane. The build was really awesome, with Ric Flair coming back from his broken neck to face Terry Funk, Steamboat seeking revenge after Luger turned on him at the Clash, Sting and Muta facing each other for the first time, a War Games featuring most of the top tag teams, Cornette and Paul E. in a tuxedo match to blow off their feud, etc. Time flies! Talk about Bash '89 (the buildup and the show) here.
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I don't have a problem with it. It's far more interesting and thoughtful than a typical main event storyline.
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The problem is that there is no one who is truly capable of acting as a filter for him that would be willing. Also, he has failed in every single chance he has been given since leaving the WWF. He honestly is a large part of the reason wrestling is in the state it is now, and he really shouldn't have a job.
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I watched Misterio/Volador/Misterioso vs Psicosis/Metal/Estrada from 4/9/93. Much better match than the last one. I was very excited to see Jerry Estrada, I don't know how such an incoherent wrestler is so good, but he is. The early Misterio/Metal matwork was lots of fun, as was the Rey/Psicosis brawling outside the ring. Volador and Heavy Metal looked much better this time around too.
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The Jim Ross Is A Grouchy Hateful Vile Human Being thread
Loss replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
This cracked me up. Can you imagine Jimmy Carter hosting Raw? I feel like there are funny jokes to be made here, and all of the ones I'm thinking of are terribly unfunny. Too bad. -
I watched Misterio/Misterioso/Volador vs Parka/Psicosis/Metal from 3/21/93. The first two falls of this were really bad. Rey, Psicosis, and Parka were good, and Misterioso was decent, but Volador and Metal were horrible and missing nearly every big spot they tried, and it really brought down the match. The third fall saved it somewhat, but that could just be bias over the excitement of Psicosis scoring the win for his team. Either way, very disappointing match.
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Another thing we know doesn't work is Vince Russo. Wrestlers booking also isn't necessarily a bad thing. There have been successful booker-slash-wrestlers. It's just that people tend to remember the ones that didn't work more.
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Haven't seen it, it may be somewhere in my DVD collection, and I will watch it when I come across it if it is.
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The Dream Rush tag is 11/26/92 and is Toyota/Yamada vs Kansai/Ozaki. Muta/Hase I expected to like more than I did. I've decided I don't like Hase as a heavyweight unless he's working Hashimoto.
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The Jim Ross Is A Grouchy Hateful Vile Human Being thread
Loss replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Also, the appearance of a guest host every week is going to keep the shows being a little too light-hearted for my tastes. With guest hosts, you can't really do serious storylines. -
Cornette in that position may or may not work. I have a feeling it would be more like Bill Watts era WCW, where he does all these things to try to re-educate the audience, but powers-that-be would lose patience with him before he had a chance to see it through. So it wouldn't matter if it would work or not, because he wouldn't be given the chance he would need to prove whether it could or couldn't work.
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The Jim Ross Is A Grouchy Hateful Vile Human Being thread
Loss replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Maybe next they'll start doing all 2 out of 3 falls main events and move RAW to Center Stage in Atlanta. -
I added Liger/Kanemoto vs Ultimo/Orihara from WAR on 12/11/92. I don't really have anything to say about it other than I liked it. Fun, fast-paced tag match with some great stuff toward the end especially. Blood has never bothered me like it did in Muta/Hase. It actively turned me off the match. Plus, I think Hase is much better as a junior. He's not really cut out for these main event heavyweight spectacles, and it's obvious he's forcing himself to work slower than he's comfortable.
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The Jim Ross Is A Grouchy Hateful Vile Human Being thread
Loss replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
With a few exceptions, wrestling fans are typically resentful of outsiders coming in. But I don't know that I fully understand how the average wrestling fan thinks anymore, so that may no longer be the case. -
http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/9995/ This does sound like something Vince Russo would love. I am still trying to figure out if Kurt Angle-controlled TNA would be better or worse than Jeff Jarrett-controlled TNA if it comes to that.
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I watched Williams/Gordy vs Windham/Rhodes from WCW SN and really didn't like it at all. I've never heard the Center Stage audience so quiet for a main event, and the wrestling was pretty dull. I don't know why I liked this as much as I did before, but the match did absolutely nothing for me this time around. Dream Rush tag ... just wow. Every time I think I have a new favorite match, I should really watch this again, because I just don't think anything else is close. But I don't watch it for a while and think something else has surpassed it. Newsflash to self: nothing has. Was there a better match than this in the 90s? Even in All Japan, I am thinking of the big matches and they're not quite hitting this level. Toyota and Yamada were great of course, and I loved Yamada's kicks, but the JWP side I thought was incredible. I need to see every JWP match ever.
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7/8/82. Sadly, only 8 minutes are available.
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The Jim Ross Is A Grouchy Hateful Vile Human Being thread
Loss replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
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Bret/Davey Boy from Summerslam was great also. This was the first time I've seen it in a long time. There are quite a few matches that happened in 1992 in WCW alone that are better than this, but this was easily the best WWF match of the year. All of the things Bret has said about his performance and Davey Boy's lack thereof appear to be 100% true, Bret is calling spots and trying to help Davey get his act together several times throughout the match. Great match, but an incredible one-man performance.
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Rude/Chono from the G-1 Climax is great! I know some have been down on it, but I really like the high end American main event style being worked in front of a New Japan crowd, with Rude not going the route of Ric Flair and toning down his act in Japan. If anything, he turned it up, even doing the pre-match schpeel! The matwork was just excellent leading to all the nearfalls, and I had a lot of fun watching Dusty Rhodes and Bill Watts at ringside. Even though they mostly just watched on, there were a few moments when you could tell Dusty was fighting the urge to pop. 1992 is probably the best year in the history of U.S. wrestling, and Rude was as good as anyone that year. Toyota/Yamada from 8/15/92. I don't know, I feel like these matches are now a dime a dozen, even though I acknowledge that they weren't at the time. But it still contributes to the match not really holding up well over time. It feels more like the obligatory workrate match on a 2008 Big Japan card than it does a major match on a show from a major promotion. The suplexes are awesome, but I feel like there's so much variety that it's hard for any of them to stand out. Were any of them debuted for the first time in this match? This is a really good spotfest, which I say as a big compliment, and while she was screaming early, Toyota's normal squealing and shrieking which makes me want to gouge my eyes out was toned down here. I will come back to this after watching more AJW from the time. I'm sure it stood out from the pack or it wouldn't get the type of praise it has.
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The Jim Ross Is A Grouchy Hateful Vile Human Being thread
Loss replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
I didn't realize Seth Green was so hip. Regardless of what he's doing now, isn't he most famous for being on Buffy and Angel all those years ago? When I think of people who are current, I think Kanye, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z, Beyonce, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, etc. -
Steiners vs Williams/Gordy from Clash 19 is an incredible match, one I've seen many times before, but for whatever reason, it never clicked with me like it did this time. The early matwork with everyone is awesome, leading to tempers flaring and Scott's knee getting destroyed. Great finish too. This might be the best Steiners match.
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I watched Misawa/Kawada/Kobashi/Kikuchi vs Jumbo/Fuchi/Kimura/Ogawa from 4/18/92. Such a mixed bag of a match. The match was always 2-on-2, and as each team lost someone, someone else came in to replace them. The first team to beat three guys from the other team would win. Fuchi was awesome, probably my favorite guy in all of this. The first of the matches (Fuchi/Ogawa vs Kobashi/Kikuchi) was the best of the bunch. I love Fuchi's matwork. Misawa, Kobashi, Kawada, and Jumbo were reliable. I guess that would be the word. Good stuff, but nothing you haven't seen them do better in dozens of other matches. The match was really just way too long and isn't quite as good as it seems on paper. Kimura at first I was comparing to '84 Ernie Ladd in Mid South, someone who physically can't keep up with those around him, but can do other things well enough that he adds to the match, but not really an apt comparison.