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Well, even Hogan and Flair, with much greater star power and much less exposure, were wearing thin at this stage of their big runs.

You said in the first topic you wanted to defend yourself. If you don't want to, fine, just don't say you want to.

Well, I'm convinced.

HHH is like this dark hole of charisma, and is far less energetic than Benoit. All the flaws you listed for Benoit, HHH has even moreso, with being really boring outside the ring. The sole difference between HHH and Benoit is that HHH is booked to say interesting and truthful things and Benoit is not.

RIP. He fought cancer for years and finally succumbed it seems. A total class act according to almost everyone in wrestling.

Greg Gagne wasn't horrible. There, I said it.

There's nothing wrong with discussing Benoit's flaws. I've done it. Everyone here has probably done it at some point. In this thread, you definitely have. Where I disagree is that his flaws aren't really as huge a problem as you're making them out to be, they're not terribly important, they're not something that makes him look ridiculous on a regular basis. Benoit is over. He's in the right spot on the card. He does what he's supposed to do in the role he's supposed to be in. I don't think he was as good a champ as he could have been, especially when compared to Eddy Guerrero at the same time, because midcarder Benoit and champ Benoit were basically the same person, whereas Eddy in that role was a different wrestler. Comparing Benoit to Hogan and Rock, which you have done in this thread, is meaningless because no one in their right mind has ever compared him to those two in terms of charisma or star quality. There's nothing wrong with liking Hennig, Rude and DiBiase more than Benoit. I'm not criticizing Benoit not being your favorite and his flaws bugging you as much as I am you writing him off entirely just because of those flaws. Benoit is a wrestler who wrestles really well. That's his appeal. That's all there is to it.

Yeah, well you're making it sound like in-ring talent is a detriment to liking a wrestler, which is absurd.

Honestly, if you have to work at liking Chris Benoit, wrestling may not be the best choice of hobbies.

Strong number for them. They're getting into dying days of WCW territory, which is a bit of a backhanded compliment, but isn't meant as one at all.

I still think Vince should oversaturate the hell out of the market and start putting out complete seasons on DVD. Too much stuff will never see light of day, no matter how aggressively they put stuff out, at this rate.

What a horribly designed t-shirt at that.

Exactly. If it does, someone should be able to explain why Batista didn't suffer the same backlash, considering that he's no better than Cena.

Apparently the fight was real, and the story is pretty crazy. Booker is the man.

Benoit's exactly where he should be at the moment, as someone who puts over guys on the way up the ladder by having great matches with them, revitalizing people on the way down by doing the same and being kept strong himself. No one is making the Benoit/Rock comparison in terms of who's a better headliner, and no one has ever called Benoit the total package. I think you may be having an argument no one else is having, Coffey. Benoit is a wrestler. Everyone is. Take away the bell-to-bell stuff and you have something he's not even trying to be.

The appeal of Benoit is that he's consistently great, but you did give him credit for that. He's wrestled every style in just about every place there is to work, and he's set or raised the bar in many of those cases. Benoit is awesome because he's a total workhorse, and he's not conventional. He's not over the top because he doesn't have to be. He does have a lot of charisma actually, because if he didn't, his matches wouldn't get over as well as they do. He's just a great wrestler. That's all anyone claims him to be, and that's all he ever is. Yes, you needs Rocks and Hogans, but wrestling needs Benoits too. It's not so much a character weakness of his as it is that the environment he's in thinks that you must be over the top to get over. HHH doesn't really have any charisma himself (I'd argue less than Benoit), but he's been pushed at a top level for a such a long time that people buy him there.

This does deserve it's own thread. I say start the topic.

That actually adds to the depth of it. From what everyone says, Stephanie looks the way she looks now because that's how HHH likes her to look.

This was posted by Kevin Cook on DVDVR not long ago, and makes me laugh every time I read it. So I thought I'd post it here.

I usually only get Wrestlemania, if that, every year and catch the rest a few weeks or months later. If competition was still around, this just wouldn't happen because the other promotion would just respond by keeping their prices the same and taking shots at the other one for doing it on TV.

*inserts obligatory Rob Feinstein joke here* I will say the firing stories have gotten extremely interesting lately. I remember a time when it was just a case of guys being fired for just not being good. Most of the terminations since Jamie Noble filed an insurance claim for a steroid infection have at least been colorful stories.

Joey Matthews, who WWE is putting into rehab, and as it turns out is the other half of the reason MNM was broken up.

As far as reasons why, Meltzer simply said "your first guess would be the correct guess". So, yeah, that makes two people that have now felt the effects of the drug policy, that we know of.

Well, considering that the WWE roster seems to be a cesspool of miserable bastards that have issue with pretty much every wrestler on the roster, who even knows? He probably parted his hair in a way that infringed on JBL's gimmick or something.

Oh. Yeah.