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  1. Loss
    This was shaping up to be pretty good for the two minutes it lasted before the Dudley Boys ran in. Other wrestlers come out to make the save but get laid out. Finally, Taz comes out and the ring clears. He makes quick work of Bigelow and Candido, and Douglas is left alone to deal with Taz. They finally square off after all the hype all year and Douglas quickly bails after getting suplexed. Taz seems to make a pact with Sabu and RVD and we have a new Triple Threat.
  2. Loss
    Dreamer is out bloodied and battered and wants to have a street fight. He brings out The Gangstanators as backup. This was crap, but it was fun crap, with a lot of interesting comedy spots and some good brawling.
  3. Loss
    More Late Breaking News. This time around, it's that Mike Awesome is injured. He'll be out of action for at least a year after tearing his ACL. He was already wrestling on a hairline fracture in his ankle.
  4. Loss
    I think this thread is the place to hash things out over what a match HOF should represent because when we decide to move forward, I think that topic should be over and done with. I don't want it to distract from debating the merits of matches, which is why I think it's important to keep hammering all of this out now.
  5. Loss

    Matches of the Month

    Loss replied to Loss's topic in 1998

    September: #1 - Kiyoshi Tamura vs Yoshihisa Yammamoto (RINGS 09/21/98) ****3/4 #2 - Kenta Kobashi vs Akira Taue (AJPW 09/11/98) ****1/4 #3 - Jun Akiyama vs Yoshinari Ogawa (AJPW 09/11/98) **** #4 - Billy Kidman vs Juventud Guerrera (WCW Monday Nitro 09/14/98) ***3/4 #5 - Goldberg vs Sting (WCW Monday Nitro 09/14/98) ***1/2 #6 - The Rock vs Ken Shamrock vs Mankind (WWF Breakdown 09/27/98) ***1/4 #7 - Raven vs Saturn (WCW Fall Brawl 09/13/98) *** #8 - Jerry Lawler vs Billy Joe Travis (MPPW TV 09/05/98) #9 - Hulk Hogan vs Bret Hart (WCW Monday Nitro 09/28/98) #10 - Chris Candido vs Lance Storm (ECW TV 09/05/98) #11 - Mankind vs Ken Shamrock vs The Rock (WWF Monday Night RAW 09/21/98) #12 - Owen Hart vs Val Venis (WWF Monday Night RAW 09/21/98) #13 - Jerry Lawler, Streak, Robert Gibson & ?? vs Billy Joe Travis, Heinrick Von Keller, Bulldog Raines & The Bodyguards (MPPW TV 09/05/98) #14 - Raven & Kanyon vs Villano IV & Villano V (WCW Monday Nitro 09/21/98)
  6. Loss
    Last few minutes. The action here is the opposite of good, but it's the result that's important, as Rock PINS Undertaker in the biggest win of his career.
  7. Loss
    Vince confronts Undertaker and Kane over getting attacked by Austin three times in the last week. So he drops a bombshell - they didn't live up to their end of the deal, so he won't live up to his. Undertaker and Kane have to fight it out with Austin as the guest referee since they can't seem to keep him out of their business. If Austin doesn't call the match down the middle, he's fired. Tonight, Undertaker and Kane will face Mankind, Ken Shamrock and The Rock. The duo doesn't take too kindly to this and warns Vince. He gets caught flipping them off and they beat the shit out of him in yet another classic segment. They end up "breaking" Vince's leg while the crowd loses it. Mankind offering Vince a soda still gets me.
  8. Loss
    Vince is back out with the Winged Eagle (because not all eagles have wings I guess) belt and brings out the Undertaker and Kane separately. Just as Austin is about to state who the champion is, Austin drives through the backstage area on a beer truck and ends up driving to the ring in a zamboni in an iconic moment. He does the clothesline off the top and starts punching Vince and the heat is through the roof. Austin gets arrested but manages to flip Vince off on the way out. Classic segment.
  9. Loss
    Vince is thrilled! He has the belt with him. He regrets that it has come to this, but Austin insisted from day one on doing everything the hard way. There will be no rematch either. However, to show that Vince holds no grudge, he will declare tonight Stone Cold Steve Austin Night and he has a professional welcoming committee (police) to ensure he has "easy access" to and from the facility. He says tonight a new WWF champion will be crowned, but they will get a proper belt. The only place the smoking skull belt will go is on his mantle above his fireplace in one of his homes. Vince has Slaughter strap the belt on him to close the segment. Good stuff!
  10. Loss
    It's all come to this. Hogan vs Bret Hart in a completely forgettable Nitro main event. This couldn't even beat RAW in the ratings. This is worked strange with Hogan outwrestling Bret in repeated sequences. Bret is still selling a knee injury from War Games and Hogan targets it. Hogan does some pretty solid limb work, but this seems like something simply designed to make Hogan look like the better wrestler. Dumb Sting and the Dumb Wolfpac come to Bret's rescue and Bret is escorted out on a stretcher. This strangely turns into a Hogan-Sting match. Immediately, this is far more energetic than any of their previous matches. Bret is being loaded into an ambulance as they show the match on a split screens. But orderlies come out of the ambulance and attack Luger and Konnan, and they are revealed as Scott Steiner and Buff Bagwell. Bret gets off the gurney and limps back to the ring. Crowd boos that as they can see where this is going. Sting gets a splash on Hogan and is locking in the Scorpion when Bret attacks him and shows that he's been faking the knee injury. He and Hogan laugh about it and beat up Sting. This got awesome heat. This is half great angle and half mess. I can't figure out which. But in less than a year, Bret had already turned too many times. And I don't know why Hogan has to be part of this since he ends up taking a big part of the heat a Sting-Bret feud should have with him. I loved this overall, but the politics are also pretty apparent. Hogan got to show his superiority over everyone involved.
  11. Loss
    Jericho does his Goldberg mocking entrance again and wears a customized shirt that says Jericho - 1, Goldberg - 0. He is now calling the TV title the World Television Unified Championship. Goldberg comes out with the fake Goldberg draped over his shoulder, much to Jericho's surprise. He ends up pushing his security team into Goldberg and bailing. This was a cool segment. The right way to do this would have been to have Goldberg feud with an established top heel with Jericho running interference. That could have built for months and elevated Jericho at the same time Goldberg was still getting worthwhile opponents.
  12. Loss
    The Jericho t-shirt commercial is supposed to be with an anonymous Jerichoholic but the lights come on and it turns out to be Jericho! Funny commercial, and if I remember right, WCW greatly underestimated how well this would sell and they sold out of their first printing within a couple of weeks.
  13. Loss
    The Horsemen video that starts things out is pretty cool. Flair barely gets started when Bischoff shows up with Stevie Ray, Doug Dillinger and the local police. Bischoff claims the Horsemen committed felonious assault on Stevie Ray on Thunder so Bischoff wants all Four Horsemen - and Doug Dillinger! - arrested. Bischoff mocks Arn's Southernness and between that and Hogan's promo earlier that seemed like a dig at Flair, you can tell there's a lot of real resentment on both sides, but it's making the promos better. As Flair is walking out, Bischoff calls him a disgrace for using his son as an excuse to no-show. This is being booked very well so far and the hatred is palpable.
  14. Loss
    A fan tries to jump in the ring and gets tackled by security. Typically logical and coherent Warrior promo. There are still boos getting mixed in for this guy.
  15. Loss
    Hogan talks about how he turned a "hillbilly promotion" like WCW that used to draw $10,000 houses in buildings like this to six-figure houses. He talks about how fans should thank Hogan for their stars, and says he's going to face both Bret Hart and Sting in back-to-back singles matches on Nitro tonight. Well that spells out that a big angle is coming. Hogan is now calling himself 'Wood.
  16. Loss
    Last few minutes. It's a testament to Austin that working with these two as much as he did never chipped away at his stardom at all. This match doesn't look at all that good and Austin needed to work with someone else, but I realize the WWF's predicament in that they were building up new guys, but none were quite there yet. Both Undertaker and Kane pin Austin at the same time but there's confusion over who the champion is. I remember Austin-Benoit-Jericho in 2001 having a spot where Austin tapped and the match continuing. Gotta love that consistency. Vince ends up taking the belt and running off with it while Austin is distracted into a brawl with Slaughter and Patterson. Vince ends up driving away in his limo with the belt while flipping off Austin to end the show.
  17. Loss
    All three promos before the match are excellent in very different ways. I really appreciate the booking approach here - they had three guys who they saw as around the same level and presented them equally, letting fans decide who they would run with over time. Fans clearly chose Rock and then Foley, and that's how they pushed them. I think Shamrock got the raw end of the deal unfairly, but I still like that approach because it's far less heavy-handed than usual main event pushes. This was lots of fun for seeing Rock get over huge, and while I don't think it really came close to being a great match, primarily because of the inherent problems with triple threats and WWE cage matches, they did an awesome job crafting a series of crowd-pleasing spots.
  18. Loss
    We're supposed to have Steve Austin vs Mark Henry in a cage (WHY?), but Undertaker's music starts while Vince walks out with Undertaker and Kane. I really LOVE Undertaker's music during this time. Mark Henry's music starts but he doesn't show up, as Chyna has attacked him in the back. Meanwhile, Undertaker and Kane end up outside the cage somehow and Austin is dressed as a crew guy and attacks Vince before taking off. Austin remains awesome but Undertaker and Kane are getting pretty overexposed.
  19. Loss
    To "Dragula" by Rob Zombie. Various starts of ECW included here.
  20. Loss
    Paul E. announces that everyone in the building will get a tape of the entire show this evening since ECW is switching networks and he promised them they wouldn't miss a single show.
  21. Loss
    Joey Styles somewhat somberly sends us to the ring, where Tommy Dreamer is talking about Sandman's departure. They keep cutting away from Dreamer so Joey Styles can provide context. The Sandman has signed with WCW, and I don't get anyone thinking Sandman would work in any environment other than this one. Anyway, this is treated respectfully and Dreamer tries to give him a proper sendoff. Jack Victory interrupts because he didn't get a touching sendoff when he left wrestling for several years, despite making quite a few sacrifices himself. Dreamer ends up punching Victory, which brings ROD PRICE into the ring. The lights go out, and when they come back on, Justin Credible hits Dreamer over the head multiple times with the Singapore cane. Wrestlers come out to make the save. The desperate Justin Credible push continues.
  22. Loss
    Hogan-Andre on The Main Event Undertaker vs Undertaker Hogan vs Sting Hogan/Rodman vs Page/Malone Hogan vs Savage at Uncensored '98 Interesting pattern there with one particular wrestler.
  23. Loss
    Fair enough. I'm fine not factoring it in at all. I was just trying to avoid the inevitable criticism that will come for not doing so.
  24. Loss
    Jerry Lawler tells the story of what happened with Jim Carrey. He talks about the history with Andy Kauffman and Lawler's ability to straddle the line between work and shoot here without once breaking kayfabe or going in the wrong direction is awe-inspiring. He tells a story about what happened on the set with Jim Carrey that is amazing. Lawler is a true worker.
  25. Loss
    Not sure who would buy a shirt with Dean Malenko's eyes on it.
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