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Ah, here it is: Paul: Bryan: Paul: Bryan: hoto: Bryan: Paul: Paul replying to Bryan's last post: Bryan replying to Paul's "current wrestling" post: hoto: Paul: Me: Bryan: Paul:

Me to Bryan a few months ago Re: the 2007 vs early 90s claim: His reply: Then I said: And he didn't reply to it. There's another thread from right before this where he argued w/ Paul Miller about it that I need to find.

I believe he means Jan-May. Dave's ***+ ratings for the period (unless I'm missing anything) only on actual Monday Night Raw TV shows would be: 1/22/07 Shawn Michaels vs. Edge (Street Fight) **** 2/19/07 Edge vs. Rob Van Dam ***1/2 4/23/2007 John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels ****1/4 4/30/2007 Edge vs. Randy Orton ****1/4

Even being someone who greatly enjoyed WWE during the period and understands that Bryan's a huge Michaels mark...really? This is his latest utterance of it. Is there any reasonable explanation other than it being proof that he hasn't watched a whole lot of wrestling? He seems flabbergasted when other time periods are pimped to him, including this statement when I pointed out the insane quality level of the early '90s: "I guarantee that if you took the number of high-level matches in any company worldwide over the past five years (**** or above) and compared it to 1990-1995, today would blow that period away. And if the answer is that All Japan alone had more ****-plus matches than 2002-2007 I still win, because the argument is QUALITY WORLDWIDE." He also seemed flabbergasted by the idea of WCW's 6 hours of TV being largely awesome at points.

Yeah, WWE being too dumb to think of it seems to be the prevailing argument against them planting it. The situation is so weird, though, that I feel like it has to be considered a possibility, especially since Fragile X was already in the news that week. Winthrope making any of it up is an odd case. There's a belief that as the parent of a child w/ Fragile X, she wouldn't have made it up. Someone has to be lying about something, as the possibility of Benoit telling someone seems nil, so even if she's telling the truth, her dead husband made it up for some reason years ago. There has to be something really weird going on either way. It seems that Irv Muchnick's book will cover this all in-depth, as he already did a blog post about it.

He was brought up so they could publicly suspend (based on the old test) a newly pushed guy to show they were legit about the changes in the policy. Really. It's Hustler, what do you expect? I'm just surprised it took so many months for this guy to come forward.

Didn't some of the cable companies specifically request that Benoit be edited off 24/7 content?

I don't see any possible motivation for them to have planted this story. Not that I think they wouldn't do it because they're fine upstanding folks or anything dumb like that. Everything Vince does is either to amuse himself or to make money, and I don't see why the company would've done something that random and without any potential gain.Once the story surfaced (whatever the origin was), it was used by WWE to deflect from "roid rage" to "simple marital dispute and then Chris went crazy." According to all reports, Benoit seemed to be obsessed with his own small size and how it held him back. Maybe it was his deranged way of trying to make sure his son didn't turn out to be shrimpy too.I get that. I don't get why Benoit, even if he was a nut, would inject HGH intravenously when he would know from his own experience that it's not how you do that. The whole Signature mess was nothing but a transparent ass-covering. Supposedly over thirty wrestlers were named, but the WWE just arbitrarily decided to punish about a dozen. Where'd you hear about the additional 15+ guys? Unless you're counting all of the women in the company since the male wrestlers heard about Signature from the women, but the investigators were unaware that women use steroids (or something) and thus didn't check the customer list for their real names. They were never a sure thing. She did tell people "If something happens to me, Chris did it" and had her own safe deposit box, but there was nothing in the box about their problems.

Doesn't the first failure only get you a warning?No. This ONLY applied to the original baseline tests in early '06. Err, the whole point was that internet prescriptions didn't count and that's why everyone else (except Orton, who they did try to construct a flimsy excuse for) was suspended.

Now that we have some perspective... Was the Fragile X story planted by WWE?: At this point, I feel like there are 2 possibilities: Pam Winthrope was watching the tribute show, saw Daniel's facial features, and knowing about the disease as the parent of a child with it, made up the rest; or WWE planted the story. I think we can safely say that Chris Benoit would not have told anyone, especially a total stranger. Winthrope's story was amazingly vague and the radio station that interviewed her has not been forthcoming at all. Either way, she's got to be lying about something, and someone needed to know that it was a condition that one could reasonably think Daniel had. Why did DA Scott Ballard say that Daniel was "almost a dwarf" and then later say he was normal size?: This was just strange. What were the needle marks on Daniel's arms??: Chris Benoit was insane, but I don't see why he would have injected HGH (nobody has any other theories as to what he was injected with) into Daniel intravenously given his own experience. Also, as far as we know, there was no HGH in the house by the time Chris killed himself. How incompetent were the cops, and what happened to Holly McFague?: The cops were afraid of the dogs, and instead of being sensible and calling animal control, sent the Benoits' neighbor, Holly McFague (who the dogs liked) into the house, where she found the bodies before running out and screaming to horror. She went to Boston, got a lawyer, and hasn't been heard from since, so I guess there was either a big financial settlement early on or they're still digging up dirt on the cops before suing. There's also the issue of the diary. From the 9/24 F4W: I get the feeling there's more bad stuff that we don't know about. Why didn't Chavo Guerrero and Scott Armstrong find the text messages more alarming and mention them to the office (or call the cops) earlier? Why didn't WWE ask for the welfare check, even without knowledge of the texts, when Benoit was unavailable for a day after the "food poisoning" call?: The former feels like depressingly creepy wrestling business protectiveness, like they had a feeling that he did something bad but were afraid to report it until it was clear something happened to him, too. The latter I can't really think of an answer to. Why are some fans so upset about WWE erasing Benoit from history?: Are they just that damaged? He killed his family and then himself. It was at least partially brought on by WWE not providing adequate medical care (both in terms treatment after head injuries and the drug testing program). If WWE didn't care about all that, there are still people who would see them as marketing a murderer. I guess WWE should care more about people getting old Nitros with perfect video quality. Who came off the worst during the fallout?: It's really depressingly obvious now that Jericho was insuring that he had a job when he un-retired. McDevitt did his best to come off as a cold, evil man, even moreso than the McMahons. Cena for obvious reasons and also being a really transparently bad liar during all of this. Kennedy for obvious reasons and also not thinking about the fact that Signature Pharmacy had already been busted. Regal and Chavo for speaking publicly and then coming off as depressingly idiotic after the Signature bust given their medical and family issues. I really didn't think that Steve Blackman would possibly get any sort of gig out of his appearances, but his one-shot on Raw (juiced to the gills no less) made him look even worse than he did at the time. Oh, and David Black for letting the public know that he's a horrible fraud when it comes to running a drug testing program. Why wasn't Santino suspended over Signature?: Orton I get. Santino? Whaddya got, either Re: the above or to add?

Even if you can't get HD? I have no idea how HD works. The standard and HD versions would be on separate channels.

Please don't be one of those people who says steroids & HGH aren't drugs.

The key to Henry's claim is that he has excelled at the top level of weightlifting, power lifting, AND strength athletics. From Wikipedia:

Kinda was hoping to find an article that did read so...um...strangely, but here ya go. I remember Meltzer doing a write-up on an earlier article around the time he became the first person to clean and press the inch dumbbell, where the writer said that Henry was probably the strongest dude to ever live, and Meltzer agreed. As...peculiar as that article is, it mentions something that I never thought about: He was 6 years out of competition as a lifter when he won the Arnold Classic.

Why? Given how he's proven himself as top level both in lifting and wacky strongman feats, he's pretty much the strongest man who ever lived.

I'm really not trying to harp on this.. But.. My previous point stands. Aren't you going offtopic here? This is a Kobashi thread. Training/Working out is an essential part of prowrestling. They are forever linked. Eh, how's that creepy to want to hear some workout stories? I love to workout. I love to hear workout theories. I love to hear fascinating workout stuff. I like to see th effect of stuff. For the person themselves and for the wrestling I like to hear stories about people pushing themselves as motivation. Wether it's Bruce Lee doing 1 finger pushups or Angle's insane workouts for the Olympics or someone doing breathing squats or a dojo wrestling story -- I want to hear about it. It's just curiousity about a natural mannish thing to do. l part What's so creepy about that? Am I just supposed to like and talk about Cabbage Patch Kids or My Little Pony or makeup or something? Not sure what point Spunk was referencing, but for me, there was a certain TMI story you once divulged involving a weight bench and a workout you loved just a little too much that makes your intense fascination with the subject a bit creepy to me. There's also the issue of the most notorious workout freak in the business turning out to be a complete psychopath who killed his family before hanging himself from his exercise equpment.

A man, especially one who was prone to gaining body fat easily several years ago, does not naturally get to be in the most muscular shape of his life after kidney cancer, a nephrectomy, and turning 40. It just doesn't happen.

Also because the show was changed from a 90 minute Saturday Night's Main Event to a 60 minute prime time Main Event.

I believe the "Austin toned down his style" talking point refers to '98-'99, the more immediate aftermath of the botched piledriver, not the post-surgical period of '00-'02 where he was taking ridiculous bumps like the aforementioned ramp suplex. ???

He had a much bigger upper body (at least relative to the rest of his body) in the mid '90s. OWW doesn't have any pics from early in his 2nd WCW run but they have these from ECW & NJPW: I guess it's possible it's more of an optical illusion and he got a GH gut later on that made him look more even, but he looks less hulkingly massive here:

They do care about (possibly) mentally retarded seven year olds. What? Benoit was much bigger in the mid '90s then he was the last several years of his life. He was still immensely juiced up, but he was smaller.

There's also the issue of Kobashi pretty clearly abusing bodybuilding drugs after kidney cancer that required a nephrectomy. I'm not sure if that's more or less dumb than Regal doing the same after nearly dying from heart problems.

Do you have a point or are you just stringing together random sentences? Tom used coked up Gino Hernandez promos and the infamous "Juvi's Juice Bar" as measuring sticks for how dilated a really drugged up wrestler's pupils were and then said Michaels' were more dilated. My point is, who cares and why? http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=5424984

Do you have a point or are you just stringing together random sentences? Tom used coked up Gino Hernandez promos and the infamous "Juvi's Juice Bar" as measuring sticks for how dilated a really drugged up wrestler's pupils were and then said Michaels' were more dilated.