Dylan Waco

Don't see how that emphasizes your point - Punk gets made to look like shit by The Rock and Jericho lasts twenty minutes with him? Hardly a ringing endorsement. Jericho is no higher than, say, Damien Sandow on the card. Maybe he isn't the JTTS but he certainly never gets any big wins or comes out of a feud on top. If he lost less often it might mean more. Jericho is far above Sandow on the card. It's not close. The point is that WWE had no interest in protecting Punk. Jericho was one of the Iron Men/points of emphasis in the Rumble and then goes twenty minutes with the alleged number 2 full time guy in the company on his first two nights back. And he's allegedly not protected because he lost on a roll up at Mania?

Best part of Mania

Bullshit - Jericho jobs nearly ever match - when was the last time he won a feud or a huge match? Rock and Undertaker get protection but that is about it. Jericho went twenty minutes on Raw with Punk the day after Punk got jobbed out to Rock on a single move which NEVER happens in WWE main events. He lost on a banana peel to a guy they clearly have plans for in Fandango even if you hate him. Jericho's not Rock, Taker, HHH, Brock or Michaels, but he's not even close to a JTTS

PUT YOUR HANDS TOGETHER FOR MOTHER THERESEA. PUT YOUR HANDS TOGETHER FOR 2PAC SHAKUR

There is no wrestling company in history that protects part time vets more than current WWE and that includes Jericho.

I thought story of the match was that Jericho was spot running guy and Fandango was just trying to survive. Had no problem with any of his offense, though this is not a match I would point to as great offensive showcase on either end

I'm amazed people want to see guys like Jericho going over clean on talented young talent in 2013

Fandango v. Jericho was wrestled like a Nitro cruiser match from 1998, including the semi-botched, but reasonably well recovered finish. Jericho doing workrate spots out the ass on his return has been highly amusing, but it actually works on some level. I like Fandango and suspect he is going to be a consistently good worker going forward.

Tag Title match was fun. Opening spot was really great and I was more impressed with Big E than I expected. Basically a sprint, but that's not really a surprise. Easily the match the crowd has been most invested in so far which I think was predictable. Pretty funny that smark darling Ziggler was clearly the fourth best guy in the match

I liked Henry v. Ryback, though bearhug as base isn't a good idea and they should have learned that from Rock v. Cena last year. Not a great match, but I didn't expect it to be. Still solid hoss v. hoss match, with a couple of really cool big spots and a good finish. Post-match seemed pointless yet again

Match was really nothing, but it did have a neat finish

Fuck the two matches I care about are one and two on the show. It's gonna be a long three hours from 8-11

I wouldn't call it awesome, but it was definitely a good match, with some really great individual spots. I thought this was the best Ambrose has looked as an individual in any of these matches and I liked Reigns/Sheamus stiffing each other in the first portion. Rollins dive was nuts. Show turn just felt stupid - he's still technically a heel, what was the point of it going down that way?

I will watch it. I may even watch that whole show, though watching Sak - who is the most fun to watch of anyone on that roster - get hurt will suck the life out of things for me.

I fucking hate Gargano and Shingo so I can't imagine I would like that match. I will watch it if it shows up. EITA and Tomahawk were complete trash when I saw them in IWRG recently. Not trash as in "I don't like this style, but they are good at what they do." Trash as in "how the fuck do DG guys not know how to base?" I just can't imagine that match is any good, though who knows I guess. I did hear really good things about the Shimmer show

ROH Supercard of Honor ACH/Tadarius Thomas v. Q.T. Marshall/R.D. Evans I'm too lazy to see if I'm spelling Thomas first name right or not. I don't care for the Chikara inspired nonsense of Evans at all and the first half of this was flat in part due to that, but they did win me over in the second half. I'm not a huge fan of the goofy-go-lucky part of ACH's act, but when he is allowed to real his stuff off the charisma really shines through and it adds to the match. His running corner clothesline looks incredible and I thought the way they set up the dive run and finishing stretch was well done. Pretty good opener all things considered. Shelton Benjamin v. Mike Bennett I liked this more than I thought I would, largely because Bennett is pretty funny. You have to hand it to ROH, they know their base, and completely milk the fuck out of the Bennett/Maria act. Bennett is a very good bumper for a guy his size and not afraid to show his ass because he knows he can get his heat back by working trolls built around CM Punk and the fact that he's sleeping with a girl most of the ROHbots regularly masturbate too. He also has surprisingly good strikes. Really Bennett/Maria is like your best possible version of Edge/Lita, at least in the universe in which it exists. I could have done without Kevin Kelly's idiotic "jungle fever" line on the otherwise amusing and well done Benjamin grabs Maria's boobs bit, but still I enjoyed the match, and I like Bennett as an act. You have to put up with some pretty questionable Shelton offense, but this was definitely way better than I would have guessed. Michael Elgin v. Jay Lethal Well I made it through this. On some level this was better than I expected, because I had feared the absolute, bottom-scraping worst, when I heard people comparing it to Richards v. Elgin from last year. This match at least had some semi-interesting psychology with Lethal trying to go for his big spots and being countered a few times. It also had a couple of really impressive Elgin power spots. Still this is not the type of match I want to see Elgin work as fundamentally it was a complete MOVEZ! fest, with his power advantage ultimately being a meaningless aspect of the match. This also had some of the worst moments I've seen in wrestling all year, including the Elgin no sell of the Lethal Injection, the crowd chanting "Chris Benoit" during the awkwardly applied crossface spot, Lethal's dive sequence which just looked fake as all hell and really weak and an opening exchange where Lethal got almost into a sprinters crouch to single to Elgin that it was time to do a rope running spot. I will say that I thought Meltzer's argument that they were almost doing too much was odd, because I haven't really seen him make that criticism about these sort of spot running affairs before and though I thought this was a pretty bad match all things considered, it was nowhere near as egregious a match in that regard as many matches worked in this style. Team ROH v. SCUM This was disappointing. I had heard it was just a wild, quick, all out affair. Instead this was worked more like one of your ECW brawls that settles into a normal match and than devolves back into rule-less brawl. As someone who has watched a ton of original ECW I have a soft spot for those matches, but this was not a particularly strong version of that. I did think Mark Briscoe had some really fun spots in this and the Rave/Whitmer dive spot was almost as cool here as it was in the Rave/Matthews match, but I really wasn't feeling this overall. Not a bad match by any means, and I kind of dug the simplicity of the finish, but this should have been better than it was. Karl Anderson v. Roderick Strong Man this was boring as piss. Two guys completely lacking in personality, moving through uninteresting exchanges, with an occasionally stiff spot popping up here or there. I did kind of admire the absurdity of Strong and Anderson teasing meaningfulness of legwork early, in tribute to the Tanahashi v. Anderson abortion from earlier in the year. But other than that this was tedious as fuck and really hard to get through. I didn't like Elgin/Lethal, but it wasn't this painful. Matt Hardy v. Matt Taven v. Adam Cole This was actually pretty enjoyable. You have to wade through an idiotic moment where the camera is focused on Nigel getting a lap dance from Truth Martini's valet(?) and some of the spots are really cute, but it was well paced and Hardy being so loathed by the ROH fanboys added to the match. I really liked Taven in this as your opportunistic champ, who keeps trying to take cheapshots and keeps ending up on his ass. Cole and Hardy had some solid enough exchanges and I thought the elimination of Hardy was pretty clever. Its not worth going out of your way to see, but this woke me up from the Anderson/Strong coma. Bobby Fish/Kyle O'Reilly v. Davey Richards/Eddie Edwards Nigel on commentary on a dragon screw spot "that looked ugly." It sure did. Man this sucked. This was one of those matches that almost fools you, because the first half - while not good - was fairly watchable. There was even (kind of) a heel heat section in this. And then it just turns into a flurry of stuff, lots of which looked really choreographed. Fish had some good facial expressions at points, but they really felt wasted on this match. O'Reilly does a dead legged sell at one point that is just comically bad and just leads to a bunch more "stuff," including an O'Reilly/Richards sequence that literally looked like some strange post-modern take on early 90's country music, line dancing crazy. Watching Fish have to sit in place and hang out for Edwards rana was fairly amusing I guess, but aside from that fleeting moment of comedy, everything in the excessively long stretch run of this sucked AND then the match ended on a roll up. This is every bit as awful as you would expect and was capped off by the awful theme of O'Reilly/Fish playing. Jay Briscoe v. Kevin Steen I hope an unfucked up version of this shows up soon. I was watching from the original stream where the finish is missed entirely which is a shame because I thought the match was good up until that point. I liked the story of Briscoe as underacheiving guy in main events and the fact that Steen kept going back to target his injured arm every time he got in trouble added a lot to it. Jay was good about selling even when he would hit a big offensive spot, and while there was some big stuff in this nothing felt like overkill. My gut feeling is that with the finish this was a really good match, but it's impossible to say absent seeing the last few minutes.

You should be out looting then. I'm going to watch the ROH ppv tonight. Bix needs to post a full PWS report from Thur in this thread

The AWA slowed down or stopped booking Sarge, Blackwell and The Roadies all around the same time IIRC. If you go back and look at 84 and 85 cards from top to bottom the guy with the closest correlation to cards coming up when he's there and down when he's gone is Blackwell.

Loved this show. I bitch a ton, but also legit mark out over PWS show prospects. Listen and help me pick an iPPV to buy.

This isn't true at all. If you follow the big picture on The Roadies there were as many disappointments with them as drawing cards in the AWA than anything else. The consistent link with stronger crowds in 84/85 isn't The Roadies - it's Blackwell.

Savage. Warrior and Steamboat matches are two completely different kind of matches and both great. Flair match is not an all time favorite of mine but very good. Crush match was better than it had any right being and I doubt it could have realistically been better. Hogan match was fine up until shit finish, but I liked Savage's performance. Dibiase match was a disappointment. I would not argue hard against anyone who said Michaels, but my immediate thought was Savage.

Wait til you see Pretty Boy Chuck Sims. Just wait. I love Pat and Bertrand's Montreal book, but nothing tells you how far the might Montreal has fallen more than the fact that one of the top heels was a guy working a Doug Somers tribute gimmick

I'd imagine they don't even remember anything about the matches, besides that they happened. Buddy is dead now, but he's talked in great detail about the matches in public forums more than once. Well yeah. Of the four only Buddy would be the guy who I'd think actually would have reflected on them. Didn't he collect tons and tons of footage? I remember hearing that on a F4W show some years back.Shawn and Marty don't strike me as guys who would give two thoughts about the matches and probably remember parties and road stories more than how they decided to format a match. And Somers strikes me as a guy who's probably brain dead from meth by this point. Buddy is the source for almost all the Portland footage, though he collected it in the sense that it sat in his garage and he was going to trash it before Rich Patterson and others convinced him not to. Shawn has talked a bit about the feud in the past as I recall, though I don't remember the details.

I haven't done that with the AWA Set, but I've watched every match on the set at least twice with the nomination process and most matches three times or more becasue of the way that process works (often times you have the same matches on multiple discs and don't realize it's the same match til you are minutes into it). I did that with NJPW and really I don't think it's all that hard, because the voting time is massive. I can be a pretty busy guy, but if you average one match every two days you will have more than enough time to get through the set once. That's a really low standard

http://board.deathvalleydriver.com/topic/6...on-von-raschke/ Thread includes your public apology for the match. This was your original review Freebirds vs. Crusher & Baron Von Rashke - The Birds were so good in this bumping and selling huge for these two slow, old farts. I think the High Flyers match may have been better but this was more fun to watch. Baron makes an unlikely Face in Peril but it worked, especially knowing that the Birds were going to put Crusher over big on the hot tag. Speaking of Crusher, my God, he should have been stuck doing autograph siginings at this point. So, so bad. If the Flyers match goes on then this definitely goes on. It will be interesting to see how people compare the two. It's not glowing praise, but you felt the need to apologize for it and I think it would be fair to say that your opinion changed at least some. This isn't a gotcha post either. My point is that it's probable that this is going to happen to some degree with most people, especially if you are involved in a project like this. For example I liked Hansen v. Blackwell WAYYYYYYY better on rewatch than originally.