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could not agree more and wwe is the most powerfull wreslting promotion in the world they should pass the bar easy right?

i find punk to be the better worker Than Mysterio? What was he better at other than working heel (and why would you ever want Rey to work heel)? Rey sold better, bumped better, had better timing, had more interesting offense which he executed more smoothly, delivered good-to-great matches against a wider variety of opponents over a longer period of time. Hell, he was probably Punk's best WWE opponent. I understand some legitimacy marks have a problem with Rey, but honestly, I can't imagine that class of fan loving Punk either. Don't get me wrong, I like Punk. But we're comparing a very good worker to one of the best ever. i find both be be overrated read my top 100 list ot see how i see things was he a Santo level draw in mexico like mysico was nope is he a good or as ivovative as Tiger mask nope is he as good as brawler as Morgan nope as masero now is as goo ass navarro or terry nope does he have iconic matches like atlans does nope [ this is stuff rey does not have that comapre him to other lucha guys ] one think punk has got over rey is cardio why look at there logest matches i od not think rey in one one match has gone over 60 mins rumblles dint count anyway since the very stucre of rumble im not talking baout just in one promotion here i talking as whole punk leve allot to dsiare in my book as well one being iffy at best ground game im a techniqe mark first and formost punk is not Ikeda tamura or han in that compartmnet either That takes it well outside the parameters of a poll on WWE workers. But speaking to your points, I don't try to contextualize Rey as a luchadore, because he didn't work in Mexico for much (if any) of his prime. Was he as good a brawler as Pirata or as good a maestro mat worker as Navarro? Of course not. But neither of those roles were his calling, and he was better than those guys at many other facets of wrestling. As for the Tiger Mask comparison, have to disagree. Young Rey was a more spectacular flyer than young Sayama and far less mistake-prone. The cardio thing just doesn't mean a lot to me. Working 60 minutes is such a small part of wrestling, especially in the modern age. Rey's fitness has always held up fine, and if his sweet spot is 15 to 20 minutes, more power to him. But hey, I get that he's not your type of worker. He doesn't fit the style of wrestler you have at the top of your 100 and that's fine. you forget sayama did not only work as tigermask you forget his stuff in uwf and his founding of shooto are you saying in mexico rey in his time there in major promotion outdrew mystico or say pedro in wwe the booking of rey as champion was aewfull even worse than punk's rey was still working mexico in his prime hence why him losing his mask kicked up Such a stink with even ithe commission getting involved form what iv read what od you call prime I'm not forgetting. UWF Sayama is my favorite Sayama, but that was a short run. And it's the only stuff he did that holds a candle to Rey's best work, which covers nearly a 20-year span. And no, I'm not saying Rey outdrew Mystico in Mexico. But so what? Why is that relevant to the question at hand? Same thing with the booking of Rey as champion. Why is that relevant to his quality as a performer? As for Rey's prime, I guess I'd say 1995-1997 for his first iteration and then 2002-2011 or 2012 for WWE? He worked in AAA a lot in the 1990s, and he was a spectacular performer there, albeit not one of the greatest luchadores in history. But I don't think anyone would look at his career and say it was defined by what he did in Mexico. He's a WWE star first. the onld peak vs long gtive argumnet while its subjective super tiger vs Fujuwara[ ny opf them] is by far better than any ray match iv seen in AAA WAR ECW WCW or WWE and also ay his peak bettwen 80-84 sayama was one of the biggest draws in the world and one of the main resaon vy in 82 new japan by proft vs lost and live attnecdes was the biggestpromotionn in the world yes that was im sorry rey caould never carry a promtion in its back and the fiunded of UWF sayama shinma maeda bing the main founders of the promotion helped Change booking Ideals base don hoe much UWF and later rebron uwf was darwing cause in the main the foucs on clean fihses somthung taht Japanese wrestling overal had a huge lack of in the pre uwf days Sayama help change the Booking ideal of a wohle market did rey change the booking ideals of WCW or WWE or the whole us market as whole nope he did yes the change was slow nbut iot help with AJPW golden era of the 90's Jumbo wnated ot count out in that famosu match with Misawa afther baba said misawa was gomg over and baba siad no you loosng clesn and he did now in the bigger Japanese promtions and wif yano is not involved mos of teh iayd 999/1000 matches are clean finishes in japan now just saying UWF is witch was partly sayama baby is in long routng =e of time ot thank for this this uis another reason i thr WWE AE but that my firend is different rabt ot different day

this is not right Minami toyota has 2nd most ***** matches of all time and she is female as much as she us disliked around here

Presumably Hunter has as many detriments in all of the other areas as gains? He's got as many terrible moments as memorable ones. On promos, he has years of 20 minute opening Raw segments that were just dreadful. He's the king of bloated matches that would actually be pretty good if you just cut seven minutes off of them, etc. The guy has drawbacks in every category for everything he did well. i agree i like long matches but HHH long matches feel longer than i was live at Long Srtong distance 2 hour matc JD at HHH match taht are not even 1/2 tthat somethign feel double that like his match with nash

im not defened her all he he more like the grcies in new japan than sakuraba or suzuki agther there 10 years in mma

murahama was good Barnett ajusted well opro wrestlingng Inoism was bad but most of the guys were fine its wa sjust the fucked ot bgod booking that made it bad

I have had shitload of joshi exposure but I consider the HitC between Charlotte & Sasha last year as a comfortable MOTYC (and I'm not easy with throwing that moniker around). The Royal Rumble was great. The EC match was terrific. Some TNA stuff from 2008 was great too BTW. The current US women don't work like in the glory days of joshi but they have delivered legit great stuff, by any standart. That being said, Bazsler is nothing special as far as in-ring work goes thus far (great character, ok in-ring especially for a so-called "shoot-style" worker). And Nia Jaxx is a second rate Eagle Sawaii (who herself was a tenth rate Bull Nakano) at best. volk han beazler is not ad she been trained han never was Nakano was never a shootist sawai was Nia is 100th rate Dump more like and i mean that in all ways in tv ratings draw way an nd inring way

as they should do not that i do i rate 90% of pure ining skill and techique and 10% of work rate so rey is higer than HHH at ;least

i find punk to be the better worker Than Mysterio? What was he better at other than working heel (and why would you ever want Rey to work heel)? Rey sold better, bumped better, had better timing, had more interesting offense which he executed more smoothly, delivered good-to-great matches against a wider variety of opponents over a longer period of time. Hell, he was probably Punk's best WWE opponent. I understand some legitimacy marks have a problem with Rey, but honestly, I can't imagine that class of fan loving Punk either. Don't get me wrong, I like Punk. But we're comparing a very good worker to one of the best ever. i find both be be overrated read my top 100 list ot see how i see things was he a Santo level draw in mexico like mysico was nope is he a good or as ivovative as Tiger mask nope is he as good as brawler as Morgan nope as masero now is as goo ass navarro or terry nope does he have iconic matches like atlans does nope [ this is stuff rey does not have that comapre him to other lucha guys ] one think punk has got over rey is cardio why look at there logest matches i od not think rey in one one match has gone over 60 mins rumblles dint count anyway since the very stucre of rumble im not talking baout just in one promotion here i talking as whole punk leve allot to dsiare in my book as well one being iffy at best ground game im a techniqe mark first and formost punk is not Ikeda tamura or han in that compartmnet either That takes it well outside the parameters of a poll on WWE workers. But speaking to your points, I don't try to contextualize Rey as a luchadore, because he didn't work in Mexico for much (if any) of his prime. Was he as good a brawler as Pirata or as good a maestro mat worker as Navarro? Of course not. But neither of those roles were his calling, and he was better than those guys at many other facets of wrestling. As for the Tiger Mask comparison, have to disagree. Young Rey was a more spectacular flyer than young Sayama and far less mistake-prone. The cardio thing just doesn't mean a lot to me. Working 60 minutes is such a small part of wrestling, especially in the modern age. Rey's fitness has always held up fine, and if his sweet spot is 15 to 20 minutes, more power to him. But hey, I get that he's not your type of worker. He doesn't fit the style of wrestler you have at the top of your 100 and that's fine. you forget sayama did not only work as tigermask you forget his stuff in uwf and his founding of shooto are you saying in mexico rey in his time there in major promotion outdrew mystico or say pedro in wwe the booking of rey as champion was aewfull even worse than punk's rey was still working mexico in his prime hence why him losing his mask kicked up Such a stink with even ithe commission getting involved form what iv read what od you call prime

i find punk to be the better worker Than Mysterio? What was he better at other than working heel (and why would you ever want Rey to work heel)? Rey sold better, bumped better, had better timing, had more interesting offense which he executed more smoothly, delivered good-to-great matches against a wider variety of opponents over a longer period of time. Hell, he was probably Punk's best WWE opponent. I understand some legitimacy marks have a problem with Rey, but honestly, I can't imagine that class of fan loving Punk either. Don't get me wrong, I like Punk. But we're comparing a very good worker to one of the best ever. i find both be be overrated read my top 100 list ot see how i see things was he a Santo level draw in mexico like mysico was nope is he a good or as ivovative as Tiger mask nope is he as good as brawler as Morgan nope as masero now is as goo ass navarro or terry nope does he have iconic matches like atlans does nope [ this is stuff rey does not have that comapre him to other lucha guys ] one think punk has got over rey is cardio why look at there logest matches i od not think rey in one one match has gone over 60 mins rumblles dint count anyway since the very stucre of rumble im not talking baout just in one promotion here i talking as whole punk leve allot to dsiare in my book as well one being iffy at best ground game im a techniqe mark first and formost punk is not Ikeda tamura or han in that compartmnet either

Rey yes andre maybe Backlund i agree \punk is never better than Backlund

i find punk to be the better worker

its a nane of Japanese punk band look it up

wwe womens stuf is stil at lest generation behind of Japan that is a fact both in overness nd in ring stuff

My review Soild match three very short falls but Norman shows why i both rate him os Highly and the reason why people who hav only seen his us stuff wil underrated so good selling and ok mat work Fiera on the other hand did ok Rudo things like the face rake at the start of the match but i sense uless he was plat gran Gurruno tyye rudo ot got face recations when he was not ment to that face rake did not if so my match ot you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-iX7k9iVn0

no workers in Japan thta oi know know are part of the \Party i belong to very few Japanese people full beieve in my stance im hard left anti-statist and i march withe tje unions on labour day and one of my best friend os the former lead singer the Punk band the stalin

Holy shit. I never noticed that about Gail (I'm going through TNA 2008 now), but I was not getting the reference anyway. Russo... But anyway, yeah, very embarrassing from the so-called "modern" NXT crowd. its is corwd in ruby red state and deeply trump state

my underared list i cut to 50 since otherwise it would huge

single most Obvious one so much so i did not even put in my underrated list since i though every one would agree

he did lacked technique skill and realism th three things i rate on

My sort of match really sicne i like RINGS more than UWF style wise this is one of the best UWF matches of all time but yet again in panthon of classic shootstyle match it no were close ot Han vs Tamura or so one the Fujiwara or osme of teh Stuff form MUGA ****

prenote overrated does not mean bad [ is based on how i rate [ i rate in ring 50% 50 % on realism of in ring of execution] this is not list of faves or hate workers al based on his Bring up the name with genreal wrestlimhg fans top 25 overrated 25 Edge 24 Superstar Billy Graham 23 Jushin Liger [ i love liger to my core] 22 Undertaker 21 Tommy Rich 20 Okada Kazuchika [ he is good but not a all timer at this time may if it is a top 200 ] 19 Rick Martel [ heard people call him top 100 of all time i i just ot do see it ] 18-16 Los Brazos [ i know not alot of stuff is around but i have no idea how there seen so highly ] 15 RVD 14 Samoa Joe [ yes he bulit the ROH titile but his run sucked in compre to nigel or dragon ] 13 Randy Savage 12 HBK 11 Great Sauske[ another person i love but he tad bit overrated] 10 Aj Styles 9 Davey Richards 8 Triple H 7 Dusty Roads 6 Rey Jr 5 Mick Foley 4 Hulk Hogan 3 Bret Hart[ i have him on my top 100 of all time i still think hes tad bit overrated by others and even my self in some ways ] 2 The Rock 1 Steve Austin -------------------------- top 50 Underrated 50 Dos Caras 49 Virus 48 Egele Sawai 47 Harly Saito 46 Jumbo Miyamoto 45 El Hito del Santo 44 Pirata Morgan 43 Mystco [ mainly cause is his WWE Run] 42 Ms1 41 Kyoko Inoue 40 Atlantis 39 Chavo Guerrero 38 Kazama Rumi 37 Villano III 36 Jumbo Tsuruta 35 Arn Anderson 34 Dave Taylor 33 Pete Roberts 32 Terry Rudge 31 Bobby Eaton 30 - 29 Los Traumas 28" Ironfist" Clive Myers 27 Jumbo Hori 26 Chris adams [ Best superKick of all time] 25 Javier Cruz 24 Jim brakes 23 Dean Malenko 22 -20 The st Clares 19 Otto Wantz 18 Gilber Cesca 17-15 Los Misioneros de la Muerte [ this means i think all three are as under rated as each other] 14 Chris Haseman 13 Kanehara Hiromitsu 12 James Stone 11 Sano Naoki 10 Ogawa Yoshinari 9 Honda Tamon 8 Nikolai Zuyev 7 Gary Albight 6 Vader 5 Takayama Yoshihiro 4 Andrei Kopylov 3 Nagai Mitsuya 2 Fuchi Masanobu 1 Volk Han --------------------------- i only made new Topicausese i did not find any were his could fir this was not best wrestler list most of my top 100 list is not even in my top 50 underratedlist

people say i underate dory Jr

i love lucha but old guy i know very little about and santo is in for hisotcal reason only imy top ten was a soild lock all tge way in the process minus my 4th spot that was han or fujiwara side note Fujiwarawas the wporker of the last year funnly enough

maratato[ stone] was a shoot stylist ad a modicum of legitimacy to this ideals of a match being party trained by Billy Robinson and taz was always underrated and over pushed tp me i base this on people ;like albright beging bing better at suplexing people and his mat game being shit im compare to ever shootist ever alot of the cross over ones like tanaka or yoneyama there is the ideal im going in to this match with that being said the match was ok no way was this even PWFG Level of shoot match *1/2