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  1. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    People underestimate just how badly Sarge bombed in the AWA. Check out the attendance/gate figures for yourselves. He didn't draw a dime, which suggests that his "star power" benefited greatly from the stacked WWF cards of the early 80s. Had Backlund stuck around post-title run, I'm pretty sure he would've struggled (even more than he did) to make it into the HOF as well. Also, the fact that he's still in kayfabe mode about serving in Vietnam is a problem for some voters. Bullshitting about stuff like that tends to go down badly.
  2. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Or, alternatively, it means that whoever put together that list didn't know as much about wrestling as you think they did. My evidence is short and sweet: no Jim Londos. The greatest draw in pro wrestling history. Credibility = shot out the window. I say this with as much respect as possible, if you managed to find 557 wrestlers ahead of Jim Londos in a "greatest ever" list then you simply don't know enough about pro wrestling.
  3. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Oh Reigns will certainly return to the ballot. He won't "get in easily" without an incredibly strong heel run though. According to the promoter himself, Jim Barnett, the top babyface in Australia during that era was Dominic DeNucci, followed by Spyros Arion, and then Mario Milano in 3rd. I'm actually pleased Milano has been knocked off because it may lead to more votes consolidating behind DeNucci, who should've been in ages ago but is hurt by the fact that most voters aren't aware of his success in Australia while being very aware of him being a mid-card tag team guy in the US.
  4. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Unless he has a really strong heel run, you're in for a rude awakening in a couple of years.
  5. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    In a year that was looking like one of the weakest of all time (voting patterns had guys like Don Owen & Sputnik Monroe as favorites to get in), the final inductees have surprised on the upside. Those are 5 good names that are hard to argue against. Its been a good year for the voters. Job well done.
  6. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Which should tell you how Dave feels about Torres. He's borderline. Some historians campaign super hard for him and others, like me, are in the "meh" category.
  7. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Sent my ballot to Dave a few days ago. I'll post it here in case anyone else is interested (if any of my choices confuse people, just ask and I'll explain my rationale): I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES June Byers Cowboy Bob Ellis Rocky Johnson I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES Bill Goldberg Rick & Scott Steiner I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES Medico Asesino I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE/AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/PACIFIC ISLANDS/AFRICA Spyros Arion Dominic DeNucci Billy Joyce George Kidd NON-WRESTLERS Dave Brown Morris Sigel Ted Turner Stanley Weston I also recommended adding Dory Dixon to the Mexico section next year & Johnny Doyle to the non-wrestler section. Doyle, for me, is a no-brainer. Too much success in too many territories for too long a timeframe. He's forgotten because he passed away in 1969.
  8. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Torres is a super borderline candidate for me but I always edge more towards "no" than "yes". He's superseded, greatly, as a draw in that era by Baron Michele Leone who's never made it onto the ballot. He's superseded greatly for longevity, and is around the same level on historical significance & in-ring ability, by Bobby Managoff, who's also never made it onto the ballot despite many historians making his case over previous years. If those two are considered too borderline to get in, then I'm afraid so is Torres. For the historical candidates section, I'll be voting for Rocky Johnson, June Byers, and probably Cowboy Bob Ellis. I say "probably" for the latter because I need to double check his drawing power was as strong as I remember it being.
  9. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    TV ratings would be the primary measure today. If someone is a star, we'll know about it via that measure - we sure did in the attitude era. By the way, most of the voters already take the lack of star power into account while putting more emphasis on in-ring work/historical significance. The Bucks are a good example of this - sure to be inducted based on in-ring work and historical significance alone. No one, in pro-wrestling history, has been as big a failure on top as Reigns. One of these days I'll do an analytical thread showing my evidence for that statement, but today is not that day since he's got no chance of being inducted this year. Suffice to say that 5 years of consistent, irrelevant, failure trumps any failure you could possible associate with Becky Lynch.
  10. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    No, the WOHOF does not need to lower its standards to accommodate the modern, shittier, candidates. That's just ass backwards logic stemming from incorrectly attributing a flaw to the hall that actually belongs to the modern era. Also, Longevity never held back the list of Japanese women who were easily inducted before. Again, you're attributing blame to the HOF that actually belongs on the modern era of candidates.
  11. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Ronda Rousey has no chance because the lack of longevity argument is too strong to overcome. We already have established precedent for this (Danno O'Mahony). Becky Lynch is the first female wrestler in history to be the legitimate top star of a North American promotion. That was the case even after Ronda left - she eclipsed Seth Rollins quite easily. That automatically ticks the historical significance box. Main eventing WM is irrelevant since the draw for that show has always been the show itself and not the wrestlers - that's why the majority buy tickets long before any card is announced. The question marks for her will be over longevity (TBD) and drawing power. She moved ratings. Enough to satisfy voters? Meh. Probably not. Honestly, most of the current gen are going to struggle badly in the drawing power category. Most voters agree that the modern US section of the ballot is the weakest and it's only going to get worse over the next few years. I may vote for Goldberg and/or the Steiners in there, but that's definitely it.
  12. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    The ratio will change if the increased importance of women in American wrestling leads to more women satisfying the induction criteria. It will not change just for the sake of it because the WOHOF is, for the most part, a meritocracy. Unlike the WWE version where you get token inductions to satisfy equality arguments. My go-to example here is Akira Hokuto. She was inducted because she was fucking awesome. Not because she was fucking awesome for a woman. The best candidate, for me, is June Byers. Becky Lynch may eclipse her depending on how the rest of her career (if she comes back) goes.
  13. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Yup. She trained them to work the same style as her too, which wasn't very good to begin with. Moolah is one of those that people assume should be a HOFer based on the WWE stuff, name recognition, etc. But then you dig into the details, as we've all done in this thread, and realize that she actually has no business even being considered, much less inducted.
  14. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    I'd strongly recommend checking out Kowalski's record in the 1950s. He wasn't inducted because of his work as a trainer. He was inducted because he's one of the greatest of all time. In terms of drawing power, in-ring work, and historical significance. He literally ticks all of the boxes. A slam dunk. Going back to Moolah, she didn't train a single HOFer or anyone who we'd consider to be a HOF level worker. So that angle really isn't going to help her much.
  15. ethantyler

    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Moolah dragged womens wrestling in North America back decades and it was only recently (2014-15ish) that the damage was repaired. She, along with the rest of the division during her era, was a mid-card attraction like the midgets. Being the leading star of a mid-card act isn't HOF worthy. The main categories of induction are drawing power (with a secondary consideration for longevity on top), in-ring ability, and positive historical significance. Moolah never drew, doesn't have any longevity on top, was average at best in-ring, and has more negatives than positives when it comes to historical significance. She doesn't tick a single box so no, IMO she shouldn't be back on the ballot. Though I'll comfort myself with the knowledge that if she does return, she'll never be inducted anyway. Mildred Burke is in because she was a draw, main evented, and really ushered in the era of womens wrestling. June Byers has a debatable case because she also drew and main evented to a lessor extent, was equal to Burke in-ring, and has positive historical significance although, again, to a lessor extent than Burke. Moolah isn't even remotely close to their level. I may vote for Byers, I'd never vote for Moolah.
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