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His criticism that Balor didn't do his Demon entrance for the main event is the stupidest fucking thing the dummy said in that whole thing. Jesus Christ, how bad are you at this, Russo? It's stupid enough leaving aside the fact that it takes like 4 hours to apply the demon paint.
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[1998-08-17-WCW-Nitro] Chris Jericho vs Chavo Guerrero Jr vs Stevie Ray
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1998
Chavo continuing to work his crazy gimmick like nothing happened earlier just sinks that Eddie promo even further. Cute finish as Jericho manipulates his way into a countout victory with some more help from the Giant.- 3 replies
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[1998-08-17-WCW-Nitro] Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior
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"I thought you were dead." "This dude must be your Barber." There you have it--two good lines in a segment that felt like it was 45 minutes. The second one seems to get a genuine laugh out of the Brain. Warrior gets a big pop and reaction but the reactions dissipate the longer, and longer, and longer this segment goes. Warrior saying "Let me introduce myself" at the 37-minute mark gets an ironic laugh out of me. WCW had about one shot to make something out of landing the Warrior and you can't say they made much of it tonight.- 6 replies
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Yep, total 2016 WWE-world entrance and promo where everything has to be like it'd be in a video game--no time to sell anything or really put over any kind of program. Hype for the 3-team WarGames--thinking it over now I have no idea how the fuck they're going to get Stevie Ray into this thing. Just a catchphrase-fest and the Wolfpack gets good live reactions but I don't think they're really over in the money-drawing sense. The problem is in the entire existence of the group the only real personal individual issue has been between Nash and Hall, the match-up that fans least want to see. Luger-Bret may have had something going but that's totally ignored now. Sting has been spinning his wheels for months. Konnan is essentially a team mascot at this point. No one has, to my knowledge, even mentioned Randy Savage since he went out.
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Terrible, desperate, nonsensical segment that the crowd didn't understand--hell, I had a subscription to a mid-level sheet and read the Internet at the time and didn't know what the fuck this was about until after the fact. Eddie says the phrase "you-know-what" a lot, so you can tell this is really authentic. Eddie's been a scumbag heel for the past year and a half and evidently we're not supposed to think he's a whiner here. It's a Japan- or Memphis-style angle based on real feelings that *may* have been redeemed with proper follow-up but of course that isn't going to happen.
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You could say this is overbooked but they work hard to throw as many twists at us as they can for a short TV main event. Even a mini-swerve finish as Randy gets pinned by Stacy right as they're about to throw things to commercial. Guy Coffee is brought out of the mothballs to shave Randy's head, but walks off when Hales threatens to fire him, so Lawler and Stacy do the job themselves. They set up and pay off a big main event on free TV, how about that.
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Fun little finishing stretch that's just as heated as the Nitro match. Good layout or is North Dakota just starved for entertainment? I'll take the less cynical side, actually. Really good near-fall off the DDT onto the chair, but the finish comes soon afterward.
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The Dudleyz don't think highly of Buffalo. Big Dick has moved from grunting to screaming.
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Why would anyone ever tag out to another team in this match? Okay, that aside, this starts off pretty good because with 8 guys in there it pretty much precludes any chance of the match dragging, but I'll be damned if that isn't exactly what happens the longer this goes. This has some long awkward stretches that I have no real explanation for--whether the match just wasn't thought out that well or if guys were zoning out on what the plan was. Undertaker gets a hot tag and he and Austin clean house, but Kane hits him with one chokeslam and pins him. Undertaker sits up immediately afterward. Ross isn't convinced, but Austin and Lawler both smell a rat.
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EATME. You know Vince loved that--both of them. Dustin remains as professional and committed as ever regardless of the material. JR says that Kaientai must have gotten the job done, just like DX was splitting up earlier. Nothing like telegraphing another SWERVE and nothing like two of these rather obvious fakeout angles in the span of an hour. Venis explains that the coldness of the butcher's block created shrinkage of a Costanza-esque proportion and John Wayne Bobbitt was the man who personally shut the lights off. Ooookay. Bobbitt is godawful here, as one might expect. Val begins his recurring trend of dumping women to babyface pops. This entire character ages horribly but at least we don't have to watch Mrs. Yamaguchi attempting to act anymore.
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[1998-08-10-WWF-Raw] Mankind, Kane, Vince McMahon and the Undertaker
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1998
A decent enough segment since Vince and Bearer trading verbal barbs is a fresh sight, but yes, a step down from Vince's peak in May. The "infirmed and invalids sicken me" line was okay but also sort of trying-too-hard. -
I find the sight of Michael Buffer doing his full-blown intro for Meng to be rather hilarious. I don't get this storyline or why the NWO are lumberjacks. Goldberg and Meng trading blows is actually a lot of fun and I agree on wanting to see a full match between these two. Instead we get a rather dumb ending where Meng releases the Tongan Death Grip for no real reason. Goldberg wins, Nash saves Goldberg from a postmatch Hogan attack, but Goldberg only sees Nash holding the chair and drops him with a spear. And there's your Starrcade main event. It might not be an ideal one but at least it shows some kind of foresight, assuming they had the main event in line at this point.
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Wasn't as high on this as the others, though the crowd was admittedly into it the whole way. I'm also really sour on the result--I mean, it's folly to think that there's any way of salvaging Bret Hart in WCW at this point but there was a hopelessly naive part of me that still thought they might be able to protect him until whatever the fuck they were going to do with him at Starrcade.
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I have to agree with Jericho's point--in the NWO he'd quickly be just another guy. Without that baggage the idea of a Jericho/Giant team is a fun one.
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[1998-08-09-WWF-Sunday Night Heat] The Undertaker vs Mankind
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1998
Pretty much a to-the-letter repeat of the Raw angle from a few weeks ago. Ross is beginning his trend of fucking names up, as he literally refers to Kane, Undertaker, and Mankind all by each other's name at various points. No Chrises to be found, mercifully. -
[1998-08-09-WWF-Sunday Night Heat] HHH on Pacific Blue
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1998-08-08-WCW-Road Wild] Hulk Hogan & Eric Bischoff vs DDP & Jay Leno
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1998
I'm dangerously close to agreeing with El-P here. I won't go as far as him, but this was decidedly less of a farce than the previous month's main event if only because they *knew* they had to work creative overtime to try to make this something close to watchable, and because Leno and Eubanks work hard with what they can do, with Eubanks actually looking pretty good. His exchanges with Hogan might well be the best parts of the match. This is not even a good celebrity match and it's an insult to have expected us to pay money to watch it and Bischoff is put over as badly as Leno is, but it's also not the total disaster that it could have been. It's still a sad sight to hear Tony and Tenay have to put over Leno's "quickness" and hard work "training," I agree. Goldberg chumming it up with Leno and DDP is more evidence that they don't really know what to do with the guy, too. -
Pretty bad 1980s WWF house show-esque action. WHY would you give away the big Goldberg-jackhammers-the-Giant spot in a nothing match like this? This is a match that could have main evented or semi-main evented a PPV based on the intrigue of whether or not Goldberg could pull the move off. Clearly WCW never really had a plan for what to do with this guy once he exploded, because they've been winging it with him since before he even won the U.S. title.
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[1998-08-08-WCW-Road Wild] Chris Jericho vs Juventud Guerrera
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An underwhelming end to Jericho's terrific run as Cruiserweight champ. I liked the finishing spot itself but before that Malenko was way too overinvolved. I've been a huge fan of Jericho's work and booking in this program but generally I think cruiser matches themselves needed to be mostly devoid of gaga like this. -
Not much is advanced here in terms of storyline but we do get a nearly-naked Randy Hales. This is pretty much worked as you'd expect, which is perfectly fine. Russo or Bischoff would find a way for Hales to get the pin and probably a title to go with it.
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Yeah, this feels like wheel-spinning. It probably says something that the quality of Lawler's opposition has gone down considerably with the Giant King gone. I like the dynamic of the control room as another part of the studio but it's being overused and overexposed.
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Lawler is out in his old 1993 WWF gear and talks about Man on the Moon and being back in charge of Power Pro. A main event between Lawler & Stacy and Travis & Hales is announced, but the heels kidnap Stacy out of the control room, presumably putting that match in jeopardy.
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[1998-08-08-NJPW-G1 Climax] Genichiro Tenryu vs Shinya Hashimoto
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That ending may have been a little more ambitious than these two were able to pull off, but it's not egregiously bad compared to half a dozen Manami Toyota matches or anything. This is pretty much everything you'd want out of Hash vs. Tenryu, with a few neat twists like Tenryu teasing that fall off the turnbuckle. Tenryu gets the upset win to retain some title belt or another. Fairly comparable to the first match, actually, and it may require a rewatch to determine which was better.- 6 replies
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Finals to determine inaugural IWGP Junior Tag champions. Maybe our takeaway from this year and to a lesser extent 1997 is that Liger really is the top guy in this division and the glue holding everything together, because while this wasn't *bad* it was another messy, disjointed match--much like the Super Junior finals but without nearly as much heat or drama. I did like some of Wagner & Kanemoto's double teams, particularly the Splash Mountain/missile dropkick, but others took too long to set up, and at times all four guys seemed to resort to boot scraping not as a way to establish dominance but because they couldn't think of anything else to do.
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