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    Franz Schumann

    PeteF3 replied to Dylan Waco's topic in Nominees

    Speaking of Schumann footage, is any of his Japan stuff on tape? He worked a Super Juniors tournament in the early or mid-'90s.
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    Hansen/Jumbo had their issues together as well. I wonder if that was a case of two guys being *too* similar, sort of like Shawn-Perfect but in reverse, if that makes any sense.
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    I like Shawn-Diesel (the IYH match only) and the Diesel-Bret matches a ton, but I think it's insane to say that Nash's output equates to Piper's considering a.) Piper spent a lot of his prime very much in the pre-everything-on-tape era, and b.) there's the stuff we *do* have: the Valentine dog collar match, the Perfect match from MSG, the Orndorff brawls, the Rude cage match, the Bret match...I'll take Piper's output comfortably over Nash's any day. And even in some of those great Nash matches he was being broomsticked, which I can't say for any of the great Piper bouts.
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    I was going to say I don't really associate Roxy Music with yuppies, though some quick Googling indicates that some people see a connection. I think Phil Collins is a better fit (and don't tell me there isn't just a trace of Patrick Bateman in Flair).
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    Our first 1998 segment that reaches or maybe even surpasses the heights of 1997--and that's some high praise indeed, considering there was a span of a few weeks where the WWF was topping itself with historically great angles. Everyone else has explained why this segment is so great and so legendary, so I'll try to point out that this is a rare instance of the WWF actively using a celebrity to get a wrestler over instead of just piggybacking off of them. And of course, the Austin-Vince rivalry is back on after a month-long hiatus. And so, as it was on Memorial Day '96 and Montreal in '97, things will never be the same again.
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    The fire jokes are better than the penis jokes--and Triple H, dammit, is starting to find himself on the mic. At least when he's talking about Owen. JR's reaction to his line about his rocket-penis was laugh-out-loud hilarious and funnier than almost any DX skit by itself. Michaels' delusional promo works since he's so over-the-top in talking about how he won singlehandedly. Then we shift gears: for the first time in months, Michaels and Austin are about to cross paths. Shawn talks a good game here but he's finally about to meet his match, thank goodness.
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    Thankfully this should be about the last time we see Russo's mug on screen for awhile...I'll worry about 2000 when or if the time comes.
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    Jericho is now starting to draw out that "EEEEVER" as we're so accustomed to now. Fun little two-on-one here with Jericho taking a great (but not reckless) bump to the floor.
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    "Shank of the evening"...until now, I had never heard of that phrase before. Another strong segment between these two, helped because Bret cuts his best and most focused promo since jumping ship. Even as the rest of WCW's booking is in disarray, these two can sell a glass of water to a drowning man. In retrospect it's not hard to see why this show did better than expected.
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    I still think I liked Ground Zero better, but this was another match that was much better than I remembered as I watched it live. Shawn has another bevy of vicious spots here, including the great piledriver on the steps (five years later and he's finally taken up the Brain's "good amateur move" advice!) And a good number of teases and cut-offs to show how well these two know each other and also serves to keep us, the viewer on their toes by switching up some of the usual spots. The tombstone into the casket was an amazing false finish as well--really, the only complaint is Earl Hebner somehow managing to fuck up officiating a match where barely does anything with that business with the lid--what a horrible referee. Now I'm starting to talk myself into thinking this *was* better than Ground Zero, because now I'm struggling to remember a whole lot about that match besides the big post-match plancha--and it had its share of overbooking gaga, too. As for the Kane turn...well, yeah, you could criticize it for being pointless and Russoriffic, but a.) the story was that Kane could not bait Undertaker into fighting him, no matter how many times he attacked him or other people, so you get the idea that he had to try something else, and b.) even if we, the smark audience, saw it coming, the crowd at large TOTALLY bought into it. When the Outlaws and Boricuas are pounding Undertaker down, they're chanting for him. When the lights go out, they pop. And when he turns on Undertaker, they boo. It also should be noted that in the Observers of this period, Dave is *constantly* hammering how much potential money there is in Kane as a babyface, though he does say that they'd have to run the Kane-Undertaker match first before going full-bore with it. The post-match with the axe and the burning casket is over-the-top in another Russoriffic way but it's a cool image in any event. Shawn's an afterthought, but they may have figured that if they ended yet another show with DX celebrating, with the crowd really buying into a possible title change, that there'd be another riot, so they got him out of there for everyone's safety. All in all, this is a presentation that hit just about every note it needed to hit. It's not a top-end MOTY, but it may well place in a WWF or even an American-centric list--it's a good Sportz Entertainment production all the way around.
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    Pretty much a pure formality, but credit Russo (or one of the other members of creative reigning him in) for not trying to overthink things and SWERVE us all. All they really needed to get out of this was Austin winning, and that's what they did. The only other storyline we see put over is the Nation being in disarray--they have four Nation members at the end but none of them work together and they're often fighting each other, and this climaxes with Rock sneaking up to dump Faarooq. Huge crowd pop for the big Austin-Rock showdown, a sign of things to come and also a sign of just how far Rock had come in the past few months.
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    I actually actively disliked this match when I saw it at the time, but I haven't watched it since. It's a lot better than I remembered--not really as good as a really good WCW TV match nor as good as the best Vader/Dustin matches, but for the rapidly diminishing standards of late-'90s WWF it worked. I agree that there could have been more of Goldust on offense but even at this point, heel control segments aren't exactly Dustin's forte, especially working against a much bigger babyface opponent. Initial negative feelings about the match aside, the finish was awesome and memorable then and it's awesome today.
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    I liked this quite a bit--actually at times it felt grittier than almost any other Rey match you'd care to name. There was some intensity and hate behind that forearm/chop exchange. There were lots of pretty moves of course, but that stood out to me as well. And the lack of competition on the other channel may have something to do with the at-times more deliberate pace. Excellent finish as Juventud kills Rey with a power bomb out of the huracanrana, misses the 450, lands on his feet, but is caught with another huracanrana for the title change.
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    It's also hurt by Buff in the place of the departed Syxx.
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    I was going to say, this was just a touch melodramatic for a match with no real angle behind it.
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    Oh come on, who's going to be "surprised" by the CHOKESLAAAAM at this point? Not sure why Lodi is pro-Nash all of a sudden but he's an effective enough sacrificial lamb. The whole Flock gets taken out with Kidman borrowing the Spike Dudley bump over the guardrail from the ring. Nash is out dressed to the nines in pajama bottoms and flip-flops as they push this ridiculous legal angle--to paraphrase a line from The Force Awakens, THAT'S NOT HOW RESTRAINING ORDERS WORK.
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    Pretty good match--I was sort of going to dismiss the drama because I didn't really feel like there was a chance LCO could lose, but they managed to pull me in down the stretch anyway with a few isolated but well-timed hope spots by the GAEA team. I agree the weapons are a little overdone but LCO are just such gigantic cunts in this from the opening bell that it doesn't exactly kill the match either. Satomura is still probably my favorite of the GAEA-bred girls and I hope there's more of her in '98 and '99--her desperate, fired-up comeback attempts remain awesome and she throws about 500 forearm smashes that are just as awesome and satisfying as any Flair chop or Lawler punch. And her managing to drop Mita with her own Death Valley Bomb and Shimoda having to take out the ref to prevent a pin was the best highspot of the match and the moment where this turned for me. There's some sloppiness down the stretch and some lulls in the middle that keep this from being a high-end match of the year but this was about as enjoyable as any AJW match from 1997.
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    I'm with Zenjo and Childs here--this was technically sound with some really neat counters, especially by Teioh, but it ultimately felt soulless. It was better than the Eddie/Dean ECW matches but it had that same vibe where the only real story is "these two are evenly matched." They trade counters and roll-ups and then Teioh arbitrarily uses a rollup that ends it. Unfortunately some of those final pin attempts look REALLY cooperative, especially the Billy Robinson/Johnny Saint move where Teioh literally just lets go in the middle of the pin attempt so they can run to the next spot. I've always had trouble making big grandiose statements about how I evaluate wrestling, whether in the GWE project or as part of the general board discussion, because every "rule" I can come up with has about a million exceptions to it. But I think the #1 takeaway I've gotten out of the GWE is that the closest thing to an absolute criterion I have is, "Do I care whether this guy wins or loses?" This match was better than I'm making it sound, but the fundamental failure, just as it was with Eddie and Dean, is that they couldn't make me care who the winner or loser was.
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    Benoit made up a story about a family emergency to get out of a PPV appearance right before the murders, and we're still going to try to claim that this wasn't premeditated?
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    He was a successful college wrestler, but he wasn't an Olympian like Hase, Yatsu, Choshu, Manabu Nakanishi, et al were. I think he was just pushed because he was just that good of a prospect.
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    But Jake didn't quit until the morning of WM8 when he found out or realized that he wasn't getting Patterson's job. (Which, by the way, would have mitigated being in mid-card hell even if it was strictly a pipe dream.) External chaos aside, the WWF was still in the business of having a plan for the next several months to a year's worth of booking. Who knows if Warrior goes along with said plan, but even Bret has said he was penciled in to feud with Jake post-WM.
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    Clearly plans were being thrown out all over the place, because another tidbit that Dave dropped on Lapsed Fan was a plan to get Bret over by having him get a submission win over Warrior at the Royal Rumble--presumably for the title. This after winning a planned feud with Jake Roberts and then starting the build for the big SummerSlam '93 showdown with Hogan. Of course, as Steve Austin said in that famous ECW promo, WELL ALL THAT SHIT NEVER HAPPENED.
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    There's some crazy shit going on in the GWE portion of the board, but criticizing a booker for booking heels to lie is one of the weirder criticisms I've read in the past few weeks.
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    I thought Bigelow had a hell of a run as Vader's partner in 1991-92. No, he wasn't as good as Vader, but his stock shot up in a fairly big way watching that stuff again.
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    This was okay-ish, but one of those Tenryu WAR matches where he tries to put the result in doubt and it doesn't work, because there's just no other native on his level in the promotion. Both guys work hard and do their best to put on a good match, but it tops out at about average. Tenryu's a little thicker but is pretty much the same as he ever was, but WAR as a promotion sort of feels like it's running on fumes.
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