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[1993-08-08-NJPW-G1 Climax] Genichiro Tenryu vs Shinya Hashimoto
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
More great stuff, and yet I still found myself more impressed by the two Hase upsets. The hate here was nonetheless off the charts, especially the flurries in the corner with both guys going for each other's eyes, in a scene that really looked like it was about to get out of control before things settled down. Both guys start to bust out moves you don't normally see, and Hash throws a WICKED powerslam to transition to offense at one point. Tenryu finally powerbombs Hash into oblivion and picks up his biggest win of this feud yet.- 12 replies
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Yeah, the first Disney tapings had at least one or two WCWSNs taped there. Feel the artifice.
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[1993-08-07-WWF-Superstars] Face to Face: Yokozuna and Bret Hart
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
Okerlund's role has become increasingly marginalized, as he only has a few weeks left with the company at this point. The '93 Observers have interesting stuff about these Face-to-Face segments, and how demoralizing they were for the roster, since they had to fly up to Connecticut on a supposed day off to do them all. I get how localizing the promos again after years of generic Event Center segments would be a logical attempt to rebuild a failing house show business, but I'm sure the wrestlers saw this as a step back. Yokozuna speaks! (In that he says whole sentences, rather than just shouting "BANZAI!") -
[1993-08-07-NJPW-G1 Climax] Hiroshi Hase vs Tatsumi Fujinami
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
I thought this was really good, just not as transcendent as the first two Hase matches, as Hiroshi closes out one of the greatest weeks of wrestling I've ever seen. Hase is really one of the most versatile guys ever--there is so much he can do offensively that looks smooth and polished like he's been doing the moves for years, even though he only busts them out when necessary. Whether it's leveling Chono with stunners or in this case, all the stuff targeting Fujinami's bad back. He almost puts Fujinami away with a dragon suplex, only for Fujinami to turn the tables and use his own golden arm bomber to regain the advantage, eventually putting him away with a scorpion deathlock set up by Hase's bad wheel. An anticlimactic final, yes, when you compare it to '91 and the other two Hase matches--but the story of the underdog Hase going on a George Mason/VCU-like run was still compelling. I thought Fujinami looked good here, though the decision to put the IWGP Heavyweight belt back on him in '94 still puzzles me.- 12 replies
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[1993-08-06-NJPW-G1 Climax] Masa Chono vs Hiroshi Hase
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
Holy shit, the Hash match was a sleeper MOTYC and I thought this was better. Better back-and-forth action, better momentum swings, payback spots, more near-falls, and just incredible psychology from start to finish with Hase targeting Chono's bad neck and Chono going after Hase's taped-up ankle. The neck sort of gets forgotten about but the ankle comes into play several times throughout the match, with Hase switching tactics trying to pay Chono back by going after his own leg. I really loved the dueling figure-fours-on-the-floor spots, not to mention the whole closing stretch. Hase uses the same counter he used to pin Hash but can't put Chono away, hits his Northern Lights suplex but can't bridge, hits the NLS again and DOES bridge but still can't put Chono away...just when you think Hase has fired every bullet in his chamber, he busts out an STF variation and gets ANOTHER shock victory! This has to be his career high point from both an artistic and level-of-push standpoint. I liked this as much as any match to take place in Japan all year, and I'm aware of the implications of that statement.- 17 replies
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Cornette is such a weak sissy that he plays women's tennis. I guess it could be taken as a gay crack, but I always viewed it as a "Cornette's a wimp" crack.
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[1993-08-03-NJPW-G1 Climax] Hiroshi Hase vs Shinya Hashimoto
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
One thing about Japan heavies--in both major promotions--is that matwork in the '90s has taken a back seat to big moves. As a result, a lot of the opening matwork consists of the same surfboard reversals and facelocks. That's not necessarily a complaint, just an observation. But it does contrast heavily with the matwork on display here, which feels really organic and strategic, especially on Hase's part as he tries to neutralize Hashimoto's size and his kicks. They throw in a lot of great little touches, like Hashimoto blocking the figure four and Hase improvising a modified version of the hold, pushing on his ankle with the bottom of his boot rather than wrapping his calf around it. Awesome shit. It's not really enough to hold off Hashimoto from unleashing his big guns, though. And LITERALLY right as I'm gathering my thoughts about how Hase looked great but the match never really came across as having Hashimoto in legit danger of losing, Hase levels him with a golden arm bomber and gets the three-count (?!?!). I mark out in my chair. Don't care how fluky it looked, that completely blindsided me, as much as any New Japan match ever has. I want to make room in my MOTY top 10 for this, for sure.- 79 replies
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Glad to see Kitahara dressed appropriately. This is super-heated and fun as all hell--Liger vs. Tenryu is every bit as good as you'd expect and I want to see them wrestle each other 100 more times. Crowd was absolutely nuts whenever Liger went on offense against him, especially when he tried to take out his knees. In some ways it almost seems like Jushin was wasted in the juniors division--he wasn't SO small that he couldn't have been a credible heavy, though they did their best to separate him from the heavyweight pack by making him wrestle Tenryu like he was outweighed by 150 pounds.
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Doink had challenged Savage at the desk the previous week, then dazzled us with THREE Doinks--another in the ring, and a third in the balcony--in an awesome moment. This isn't the greatest possible followup, but it's pretty much the first time Doink had been decisively outsmarted and beaten and humiliated. Doink biting Savage to sucker him into going for a chair and then clobbering him was a fine transition, and Doink's constant mocking of Savage, even when Savage counters him, is also great. I was fine with this result from a booking standpoint but there was still so, so much more that could have been done with Borne in this role. Keep him strong and you'd have intrigue in a Doink vs. Undertaker, Joker-Batman mind-games feud.
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My inside knowledge at this point consisted of an account on the old Prodigy system-the Wrestling portion of the Sports BB (before it had its own) was a real shithole at this point, with some strong posters and every other post being a fake WRESTLER X DEAD/IS GAY thread. So reading alleged Raw spoilers and seeing that Jim Cornette had showed up had no effect on me--"Yeah, RIGHT." *click* Then Cornette showed up on WWF television. Despite the #1 promotion in the U.S. taping its television in what appears to be a parking garage, this segment is every bit as glorious as the seemingly impossible dream made it out to be. Heenan absolutely kills himself putting Cornette over--one thing that's clear in his later shoot interviews is that this fawning was legit. Heenan was a true fan of Cornette's, which makes me feel all warm and happy. So often in wrestling and elsewhere, two such people would be jealous and spiteful towards one another. Then Cornette cuts another great promo, his past almost fully acknowledged and another wrestling promotion mentioned by name on WWF programming. Just mindblowing shit.
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This is a low-key interview whose editor was apparently on ADD, with weird transitions and random cuts to black and white. Luger's father was a concert pianist who stressed that Luger could only participate in sports if he got straight A's and participated in chorus or band as well. Luger's perceived arrogance was just because he was TOO SHY as a youngster. Yes, that's why he stared at himself in a mirror and cheap-shotted people with a loaded forearm. Give me a goddamned break. I'm sorry, I get what people are saying about the contrast with Hogan, and Luger does come off as a well-spoken, healthy dude. But this hasn't gotten any easier to sit through and I can't help but look at it through a superficial "He was the goddamned Narcissist a few months ago" lens that simply isn't going to go away. Incredibly, Luger's emergency babyface turn in WCW was handled about 100 times better than his emergency babyface turn in the WWF. It could have been pulled off with Luger keeping a bit of his previous attitude, just like he did when he initially confronted the Horsemen. THAT could have been just as contrastable to Hogan, if they'd done it right. Instead, he's treated like a newcomer and like the previous months didn't happen. It's insulting and patronizing--the Sgt. Slaughter turn all over again, with the exploitation aspect dialed down a notch but the company brown-nosing turned way, way up. As a developing smark adolescent I hated Luger with every fiber of my being at this point. As someone slightly more mature, I have nothing personal against the guy and I realize that this stuff isn't his fault. It's simply a sign that Vince and the WWF are completely lost at this point from a main-event and promoting perspective, even as the other booking and work are nearing a peak. If someone could have combined the '93 mid-card with a stronger and FRESHER main event babyface, this is a promotion that could have been really special to watch.
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[1993-08-01-WCW-Main Event] Ricky Steamboat vs Steven Regal
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
Lots of stalling here, but Steamboat mocking Regal and then grabbing him by the finger when he points at him was all pretty amusing. Schiavone and Larry Z are having way too much fun calling this. Regal with some killer arm work before we go to the draw. Sort of a nothing match, but a fun nothing match--if that makes any sense. Regal and Dundee do a post-match interview that would draw fire from an anti-defamation group if it were a portrayal of any other ethnicity besides the British. Dundee does a hilarious "English" accent and Regal insists that he was warming up for "some important cricket matches next week." Steamboat's been around the horn enough to know a BLOKE like Regal comes and goes all the time--ooh, them's fightin' words. Regal decries Steamboat for his lack of manners and decorum. Steamboat thought of that and slaps Regal with a black glove, and throws the gauntlet down at him. That, apparently, means war. Man, Regal has a long way to go to refine this gimmick.- 6 replies
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Fifi holds the NWA World title on the Flair for the Gold set while Flair gives us a "believe in yourself" motivational speech. Flair's always an easy listen but there has been a lot of Flair-by-numbers on this set. Agreed that he needs something to do--normally I love it when Flair starts rattling off challengers but here it just seems like a way to BS through the promo.
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Bob Armstrong and Sandy Scott announce two upcoming matches: a Rage in the Cage between the Rock 'n Rolls & Armstrongs vs. Cornette, the Heavenly Bodies, & the Bruise Brothers. And Bob Armstrong vs. Jim Cornette in a lumberjack match with the other babyfaces and heels surrounding the ring with tennis rackets. The Big Boss Man will referee both bouts AND Armstrong will refund the fans' money if he doesn't send Cornette to the hospital (same hospital in the same ambulance!) And he'll retire from wrestling. That's a hell of a lot of stips, but Armstrong explains it very well. Bob is one of the greatest babyface promos ever. It's up there with his Four Faces of Fear promo among his very best ever. Cornette's trademark wrath, anger, cowardice, and prissiness all on display--as a bonus, Cornette subtly alludes to the Big Boss Man's history and teases that he may be able to once again attain his services. Also, ever the heel, Cornette fears just how badly Armstrong will hospitalize him while also gloating to the fans that they won't be getting their money back.
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In some ways this feud feels like the end of the line for the Classic Version of Jerry Lawler. Memphis would hang on for 4 more years, with some quality stuff in there, but I suspect this may be the last time Lawler is involved in a Feud of the Year Candidate.
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Sort of closer to Kevin and Loss here. And I too was majorly confused at the start and had to Google around to figure out what the fuck was happening. Having Hasegawa eat a fall two minutes in and continue to wrestle didn't help matters. So I was thrown off at the start. There was great stuff all around here, and some cool stories being told like Kansai getting knocked out by the Uraken immediately upon entering, and Aja being a lurking force throughout who wrestles as a near-invincible brick wall--truly she has usurped Bull's old role in every way. And the pinfall on Cutie was a fucking brilliant sequence that needs to be stolen and reused over and over. Still, I was drifting in and out at around the 35-minute mark as there was a long stretch between falls at that point, but they pulled me back in toward the end as Kansai kicks the shit out of people, survives another Uraken, and Ozaki whips out a pin with 5 seconds left to go in the time limit. I'm afraid that ending came off to me as a bit arbitrary rather than the climax of a slow build of a wrestler being worn down into defeat, which the best AJ matches pull off brilliantly. I really liked this too, and in retrospect the opening 5-minute matches were a pretty brilliant idea to showcase what each girl could do with 100% attention focused on her. Just wish I'd known about it before the match started, which isn't anyone's fault. I poke holes into this because I just don't see it as anything other than a top 10-15 MOTY. High praise indeed, but I just watched Hansen/Kobashi and I didn't think this was as good.
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Not as good as their two earlier singles matches, but very good in its own right and a good contrast to Kobashi vs. Hansen. Up until the closing stretch, every effort is made to portray these two as equals or near-equals. Both guys are tentative to start, and there are lots of faceoffs/"toe to toe" spots. Plus Kawada seems to have the early advantage. As things progress, however, Misawa reasserts himself. Kawada makes a gallant effort on the arm but not enough, and eventually Misawa is absolutely murdering him with some sick Germans. Kawada hangs on but Misawa basically lifts up his carcass and tiger suplexes it to put him away. Two straight matches with the established star getting pushed, but Misawa's victory actually feels more decisive. As this went on, my mind started to work over how unfathomable it was that Kobashi's payoff would come so much sooner than Kawada's. That question is still there, but by the end of this it's more clear that Kawada actually has a longer way to go.
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They really took that Carnival match template and expanded and perfected it for the TV and video audience. Hansen wrestles the majority of this match on the defensive, and has to resort to desperation moves like powerbombing Kobashi on the floor just to keep his head above water. Unfortunately Kobashi exhausts his arsenal, and when he tries for the Moonsault again, Hansen has an answer for it. But it's another table-setting match--Kobashi's first victory is now a matter of time. Somewhere between the #2 and #3 MOTY, I think.
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Adulation all around for the Destroyer, with hugs from Baba and his family (including Mrs. Dan Spivey, I would assume).
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Gilbert has apparently taken over the TV controls for today's show. Cut to Eddie and Paul E. in a cafe, with some woman they make Dick Van Dyke Show jokes about because her name is Rose Marie. Very topical, even for 1993. Some person walks up and starts kissing up to Eddie. As little as Loss likes these segments, I think I like them even less. I mean, Lost in Cleveland was jaw-droppingly bad, but I can't say it was as BORING as these vignettes are. That may not be enough to say these are definitively worse, but they may be just as bad in a different way.
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Shiny, Happy Lex. I can't believe Vince seemingly didn't learn a thing about this when he attempted the Diesel push a year later when the exact same mistakes were made. McMahon, who continues to be nauseating here, more or less announces the "Who Is Lex Luger?" series.