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[1993-08-24-Michinoku Pro] Great Sasuke vs Super Delphin
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
This may or may not be the same studio where that W*ING/Memphis crossover tag match from an earlier Yearbook took place. Or it may or may not be the AWA's Pink Room. Or it may be both. This was okay, but suffered in the face of raised expectations after their asskicking first match. There's some really crisp offense here but the opening matwork is rather meandering, and I don't get the necessity of the ref bump ending at all. Doesn't help that this is an Earl Hebner-type selljob where he's knocked into a coma and has to do absurdly slow "dramatic" three counts. That was one murderous German suplex that Delfin won with, though.- 5 replies
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[1993-08-23-WWF-Raw] Interview: Jerry Lawler / Interview: Bret Hart
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
Elvis laments impostors, something he discussed during lunch with JFK the other day. Holy shit, somebody foresaw Bubba Ho-Tep almost 10 years early. Bret promises a mutilation at The SummerSlam. Great promo befitting a great feud. -
[1993-08-23-WWF-Raw] Rick & Scott Steiner vs Money Inc. (Cage)
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
New wrinkle here: the door will remain locked, so climbing over the top is the only way to escape. This is REALLY bizarrely edited. Two things that I absolutely am sure happened in this match aren't here: IRS superplexing Scott off the cage (which was in the "coming up..." portion of this telecast earlier) and Scott leaping off the cage and hitting a double clothesline on Money Inc. (which I think made it into a Coliseum Video release). I have no rational explanation why the WWF would edit out two huge highspots like that, but that hurts this somewhat. But the work is good and I'll break from the JCP Love so prevalent among these boards: I do NOT like cage matches with guys tagging in and out. You can like or not like the escape rules, but I strongly feel that multiman cage matches should always be worked tornado-style. As a WWF watcher as a kid I eventually got used to pinfalls in cages, but with my favorite match growing up being the Sammartino/Santana-Adonis/Savage bloodbath, anything past that was too much. And I often see the point made that the Bret/Owen SummerSlam match was the "best possible use of escape rules," which might be true if that match wasn't a total fucking bore. This isn't--because while it's short on blood and violence it's also very short on downtime. Generally while one or two guys are climbing, the other two are working each other over. And there are also some clever strategies involving guys having to climb back in. And the finish was something I totally marked out over when I first saw it and still holds up as one of the cleverer escape finishes ever booked, at least until we got to gimmicked cages and rings in the late '90s and early '00s. Crowd goes nuts for it--the Steiners in a way feel kind of wasted being relegated to "just" a tag team, though they do come off better than LOD in the same setting. They could have been just as big as they were in WCW, seen as legitimate singles stars. This was a fitting swan song for Money Inc., who I'm starting to think were an underrated team. I'm no fan of Rotunda's but he and DiBiase brought the goods when they had talent to work against. -
[1993-08-13-AAA-Sin Limite] MS-1 vs Cien Caras (Hair vs Hair)
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
What's with all the Caras music love? MS-1's entrance is even better. Tirantes and the seconds make nuisances of themselves throughout this, as both guys work as straight-up heels with liberally interfering seconds. Eventually both Mascara Ano 2000 and Satanico get banished after each man causes their man to get disqualified. There's some cool matwork here, but most of the story revolves around Tirantes. I've made my opinion on such stories rather clear before, so I'll just say that it's well done for what it is. Caras finally gets a pinning combo on MS-1 and Tirantes, who was showing frustration with every MS-1 kickout before, says "fuck it" and fast-counts him to end the match and MS-1's hair. -
I haven't watched that Clash match in awhile, but I think this may have been better. That's not to say that it's a great match, but there's a lot of this that's admirable and worked differently than your typical Flair/Sting formula. As Jerome points out, it does revert into Invincible Sting vs. Stooging Flair as the match goes on, and there is quite a bit of sloppiness and/or hesitance at points. But it's a well-paced and generally well-worked match, from two guys who were working very hard. Schiavone and Jesse were on their game, too--Tony does what he does best which is invoke the history of JCP and early-'90s WCW, and Jesse calls the action straight without excessively focusing on his go-to jokes or by now cliched heel talking points. I even enjoyed the lighter, more low-key, and smartass side of Sid when he sat in on commentary. The ending's kind of bullshit but I was in no way expecting a real finish going in.
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One, that I can recall. And "really good" is about where it topped out.
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I really don't think it's a long list, and I've seen almost no Hansen from the back half of the '90s, but... - He and Jumbo were never really able to put it together against each other. You're talking about guys with very strong #1-2 GOAT arguments and yet they never had a singles match to approach classic status despite years of opportunities. - 99% of his matches outside of All-Japan have an attached bullshit finish that's practically a prerequisite. I get his reasonings to some degree but it doesn't make it any less frustrating to watch. One of the few settings where he would appear to put somebody over was in bullrope matches involving touching the four corners, leading to what eventually became an absurd, Kane-like inability to win his own "specialty" match. This tends to be the most frustrating part of his game to me. - Ridiculously and uncomfortably careless with his opponent at times, even in the stiff Japan setting. If your eyesight's that bad then it tone it the hell down some.
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[1993-08-21-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Cactus Jack
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
Someone in power had finally made the decision to ax the Lost in Cleveland skits, and they're subtly buried here minus a few token acknowledgments. Cactus talks about "the look" wrestlers get when signing to face Vader--a look they once had for signing to face him. He admits a little bit of jealousy, but aims to put that same look in Vader's eyes. As a way to reintroduce Cactus after the disastrous Lost in Cleveland segments, I'm not sure this could have been done better. For all the faults levied against Foley as a person and a carny in recent years, at his best he was still a master psychologist.- 5 replies
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Loud mixed reaction for Vince from the TV taping crowd. Lawler does a pretty masterful job of playing both sides of the fence here--his complaining about the crooked referee rings true for the Memphis fans, but comes off as typical heel whining to the WWF audience. Vince is bemused by the idea of Lawler wrestling Paul Neighbors, and is won over by Lawler's invite when Jerry reveals that he's going to refund everybody's money if he can't put Neighbors in the hospital. Vince wants to get a refund, so he's going to be there! Burger King Lawler offers to give Vince a Whopper. Vince reassures him that if he does, it will NOT be a Happy Meal. This is the angle that got me to buy my first non-commercially-available wrestling tapes. Reading in PWI Weekly about Vince McMahon acting as a heel was too surreal for any younger fan to comprehend. Both guys were great here--I'm sure the talk about the Mid-South Coliseum and refunds was lost on the audience but Vince and Jerry each walked the line beautifully in working two disparate audiences.
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[1993-08-21-AJW-Grand Prix] Akira Hokuto vs Yumiko Hotta
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
Hokuto put on a fine performance for the most part, but by the end this was getting absolutely silly. There are hot false finishes and then there's 2.9 bullshit, like Hokuto taking a straitjacket superplex and a straitjacket power bomb and kicking out. I was marking out when Asako was kicking out of bombs a few matches ago, but here I was rolling my eyes. And since Hotta is constantly cutting her off and Hokuto's on the defense the whole match or so it seems, the move she actually hits for the pin doesn't really mean anything other than, "This is where we were told to go home." Hokuto's victory doesn't come off as a gutsy comeback, it just comes off as a fluke. I'm fine with fluke finishes, but I don't think this is quite the same as Akira getting a win over Aja or Bull. I think Loss still liked this more than me, but I was heartened to the relatively cold reaction to this because I suspect some people had hailed this as a classic.- 8 replies
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[1993-08-21-AJW-Grand Prix] Manami Toyota vs Akira Hokuto
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
Toyota is in fact Toyota, but with enough Japan viewing I've generally gotten over the piledrivers on the floor thing. It just isn't Memphis or Mexico, and the piledriver simply isn't the move of death there--it's to Japan what backdrop suplexes and lariats generally are to the U.S. Anyway, this was terrific, and a match to point to if you were going to make a Best in the World argument for Hokuto. With four and a half months to go I really have no clue who my Most Outstanding Wrestler for 1993 is going to be, but Akira was never seriously in the running until now. Sometimes Toyota as a worker seems akin to how I feel about the Ultimate Warrior (in what has to be the first time those two have ever been compared): she's at her best when she has something specific to zero in on, be it an opponent injury (multiple Hokuto matches) or a very strong and compelling overarching storyline (the JWP stuff). In those settings her style makes her come off as relentless and single-minded, as opposed to someone throwing shit at the wall.- 10 replies
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Holy shit, I'm not sure how far this is behind 5/25/92. It was *that* good--it just lacked the psychotic hometown crowd (though they were certainly into this) and the feel-good ending. Asako takes one of the nastiest beatings ever seen, and this is worked almost totally American-style with AJPW stiffness and psychology. Kroffat in particular is a real dick, taking a little too much pleasure in bloodying Asako and turning into a begging coward when the Japanese turn things around on him. Some ridiculous near-falls, as Asako gets two or three kickouts past when you'd expect the match to be over, but the Can-Ams won't let Kobashi back to his corner for the tag, and Satoru eventually goes down. Super-auspicious Yearbook debut for Asako. When I went through the '91 and '92 AJPW TV, sometimes I got more fulfillment watching the mid-card bouts than watching another epic main event. Glad to see some of this stuff make the set for '93.
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[1993-08-19-SMW-Morgantown, WV] Jim Cornette vs Cowabunga
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
Match of the Year. Possible Match of the Decade. In all seriousness, this was gloriously fun and Cornette is a marvel. Could Mark Curtis have made it had he come along as a wrestler a few years later? He was probably no worse than a perfectly acceptable cruiserweight. -
Naniwa going into a dead faint after having his arm wrung over the ropes was fun. This was kind of Japanese lucha by numbers, with a number of now-routine spots like the rowboat, but still fun because everything was executed well. Sasuke is already carrying himself well as the promotional ace.
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[1993-08-18-WCW-Clash of Champions XXIV] Vader vs Davey Boy Smith
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
DQ rule waived--the title changes on a disqualification. Jesse has a bizarre fixation on how this can "backfire" for Davey Boy--if he gets disqualified, he doesn't get the title either. Schiavone and I are completely baffled as to how that's different from any other match. Much tighter bout than Slamboree, and while that was a hell of a match this is better. The best Davey Boy singles performance that I've seen, as he's so much more "on" here than at SummerSlam '92. Great power spots and some great agility shown as well. Screwy finish, but the return of Cactus Jack makes up for it.- 9 replies
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It actually gets worse (or better, from your perspective) in '94. The "March to WrestleMania X" venue looks worse than this--it literally looks like a building basement. They were taping all TV in the Northeast for most of the year, some of it quite literally in high school gyms.
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[1993-08-18-WCW-Clash of Champions XXIV] Ricky Steamboat vs Paul Orndorff
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
What the hell happened to the lights? Bush-league shit all the way around on this show. Still, the wrestlers can't be faulted for effort--this is a good closing stretch with some clever false finishes. Steamboat wins the TV belt and is rewarded by getting piledriven on it after the match. Glad to see Steamboat's old theme back. I can't believe they hyped two mystery partners on one show. A case of the left booking hand not knowing what the right was doing?- 8 replies
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[1993-08-18-WCW-Clash of Champions XXIV] Flair for the Gold: The Shockmaster
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
I'm surprised the voiceover intro didn't blurt the identity of the mystery guest off the bat. Like all Flair for the Gold segments, this is a total mess--even discounting the infamous debut of the Shockmaster. Everybody's screaming over top of each other, and it's all--in the immortal words of James Brown--"people talkin' loud and sayin' nothin'." Also get a load of everybody in the fucking room standing with their backs to the camera--except for Sting, who's naturally completely blocked out by Davey Boy. Shockmaster makes his grand entrance, and whatever was left of the segment completely dies. He cuts his promo and then we just awkwardly fade out with Sid screaming.- 16 replies
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Total fiasco and a complete letdown of an ending to the Hollywood Blonds run. In the Observers leading up to this, Dave was more or less counting the days until a walkout or an injury or a firing led to disaster due to the mass Disney tapings, and it didn't take long for that prophecy to be fulfilled. Roma hitting Austin with the stungun was a clever touch, and the action we see is good. Even Roma looked sharp here. I can't believe they were using the name "Pretty Paul Roma" for a babyface.
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Good little match in a unique setting. Too bad about the weak-sauce finish. It does lead to a funny post-match argument between Del Ray and Prichard over who has to take the jump--Mark Curtis settles that by forcing both of them to do it. Then he takes one himself, ever the trooper. Chaz and Steven Dane are nowhere to be found.
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Gilbert finds some weirdo as a result of a bet with Sulli that he can be a better host than him. I guess this stuff was considered revolutionary at the time, but holy crap these segments are fucking intolerable. Sulli opens the guy's jacket to find a Gilbert t-shirt underneath. Holy shit, angles based around torso wear--this stuff IS ahead of its time. Doesn't make it any easier to sit through, though.
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Footage from Challenge when the Kid got a pin on DiBiase thanks to a timely distraction from Razor Ramon. Razor joins us by phone and hey Lex and the WWF powers-that-be: pay attention to how a bad guy (or the Bad Guy) can become a babyface and still retain some of that edge that appealed to the fans to begin with, because in about 30 seconds Razor puts on a clinic. Deliberate match with DiBiase methodically picking the Kid apart and only a couple of offensive moves from the Kid--one of which was blown though I couldn't tell who was at fault. IRS runs in to put a beatdown on the Kid until the Steiners make the save. Overlapping feuds! Ted's great, and this is a perfectly acceptable TV match performance, but he's really starting to look dated in this Raw setting. Taking a break from the WWF seemed like the right move for him at the time (and hell, maybe injuring his neck and not being able to wrestle again was a blessing in disguise for him).
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[1993-08-15-JWP-Rolling Summer] Devil Masami vs Hikari Fukuoka
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
Really good "main eventer vs. mid-carder" match (I assume--that's certainly how it comes across). The most telling moment is when Fukuoka has Masami clamped in a bodyscissors and we get close-ups of both women. Fukuoka is drenched in sweat and looks exhausted, while on the close-up of Masami she, despite being in the hold, is making the crowd laugh and has that semi-smirk on her face. Hikari gets a few good hope spots but this is a decisive Masami victory.