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Fun closing stretch--Shinzaki is still the better all-around worker of the group but I can take Hayabusa in these settings, working off a hot tag. The previous match had blood, this one has two "outside" natives winning an AJPW championship. Yep--we're in a post-Baba era.
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So goes one of the 5 or 6 most influential people in the history of the business. As the saying goes, a handshake from Baba meant more than a contract from most other promoters. With the Big Two becoming what they were in '99, the deaths of Sam Muchnick and now Baba in the span of a few weeks seemed like a final symbolic death knell for classic wrestling as an "art."
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[1999-02-12-ECW-Crossing the Line Again] Super Crazy vs Yoshihiro Taijiri
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in February 1999
This was a spot exhibition...but that's not a criticism, because damn, the spots were something else indeed. Lots of pretty athleticism but all done with a degree of hate and trying to inflict injury on the opponent. People have accused this series of being the same match over and over again, but it already seems to be progressing much better than the Malenko/Guerrero series did just going by Styles' commentary, as this seems to be the first time they go into the crowd or kick the match off with crazy dives. It's not a long match, but these two brutalize each other so effectively, with credible near-falls occurring in the first 5 minutes or so, that you get the feeling that neither man will last long. It's Hagler vs. Hearns, on a lesser level, in that regard.- 6 replies
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[1999-02-11-WCW-Thunder] Glacier, Ernest Miller & Kaz Hayashi
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in February 1999
Meatheaded Glacier is actually pretty decent in this segment. Maybe he should have been allowed to talk more. The subtitles were pretty stupid, though, and as annoying as every other continuity problem that we discussed on Nitro. -
[1993-12-12-Michinoku Pro] Great Sasuke & Tarzan Goto vs Mr Pogo & Masaru Toi
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1993
Well, Sasuke *is* the promoter. Hence, crazy.- 9 replies
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[1999-02-08-WCW-Nitro] Ric Flair & Steve McMichael vs Scott Hall & Kevin Nash
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in February 1999
Who remembers CRZ? I'll let him break this down from his old recap because it so perfectly sums it up: Now, right here, watch this. As Flair puts the figure four on Scott Hall - EVERYBODY STANDS AND LOOKS TO THE ENTRANCE WAY. They KNOW that this is gonna end in a run-in and screwjob. THAT, more than anything else, is the SADDEST thing EVER to associate with WCW. THAT is why, on a night where they once again have the opportunity to shine and stand out and say "Hey! Give us a chance and we can make you, as a wrestling fan, happier than you could be with the other program!" they INSIST on pulling shit like this and proving they're clueless about what the people want to see. A split screen shot shows Eric Bischoff handing Hogan a bucket of something - we all know it's bleach because of the wonderful foreshadowing we've been treated to all night - and get this, the COMMENTATORS DON'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE the other picture. Hogan walks by four downed security men as Heenan starts "Look, everybody's--" and is cut off because he's NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW IT'S GOING ON. The funny thing is, because all the commentators see is Hogan walking with a bucket, they have to MAKE UP action to call - remember, their backs are to the action and they rely on a television in front of them to call what's going on. Lame, lame, lame. Even the beatdown on Flair is a mess. He makes his own comeback, then Goldberg runs in, and then all of a sudden Flair is down and out even though he was just fine before the save. This fiasco of a show was WCW's best effort on an unopposed night, folks.- 5 replies
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Sweet merciful fuck, a WRESTLING match on Monday night. And, oh dear God, it's enough to make me want to go back to the vignettes. Will Sasso jumps the guardrail to continue this hot-button angle as the audience is, frankly, stunned. The announcers are all acting like their dogs have died--and not in an Owen Voice "put the severity of the Kimberly angle" over way, in a "we've checked out of this shit" way. This finishing sequence goes on, and on, and on, at half-speed, and--stupefyingly--Roddy Piper wins the U.S. title after a 16-year gap.
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MadTV had some good on-air talent but aside from the occasional movie parody or Madden sketch, was usually sunk by horrible lowest-common-denominator writing. In other words, a perfect synergistic match-up for WCW. Sasso ain't no Frank Caliendo as an impressionist, either. He "breaks character" when Bret gets too rough with the other cast members, then he destroys Sasso with a chair to the amusement/whooping of the audience. Sasso ain't no Caliendo and this ain't no Lawler/Kaufman.
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[1999-02-08-WCW-Nitro] DDP, Scott Steiner and Kimberly
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in February 1999
What everyone else said. Tasteless as fuck because, again, lack of commitment. I mean, I don't think this angle could really be saved in any environment, but Kevin Sullivan or even Filtered Vince Russo probably would have had the sense to tear up the TV format to get this over, maybe throw in a few "shoot" elements that aren't really necessary but at least get across that this is "different." Oh, and asking Scott Steiner to do stunt driving and Kimberly to take that bump...Jesus. Did they think last week's angle to write Kimberly off wasn't enough or something? Or was this just a desperate attention grab?- 5 replies
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TELLING STORIES, baby. Eric is now a bathroom matron, a la Babs Kramer. I could have gone my whole life without seeing a skit involving the Faces of Fear doing #2. Bischoff is such a grouch here...I mean, I get he's supposed to be a heel, but when the time calls for him to commit to looking like a buffoon, he still won't do it. He always has to get the last word in. And oh, speaking of which, guess what: it's another segment where Bischoff is supposed to be humiliated but ends up outsmarting Flair. #Politicalhit? And they'll KEEP REPEATING THIS FORMULA.
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In an era of dumb on-location vignettes, these probably stand out as the dumbest. And yet, also the easiest to watch... This is also is the start of the *announcers* not even knowing what was going on with these. If you feel you must run segments like this you need to just go full-on Lucha Underground and shoot it like a movie. WCW's single-camera approach is so half-assed.
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[1999-02-08-WCW-Nitro] Hulk Hogan and NWO Black and White
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in February 1999
Hogan telling Adams to "just keep it between you and me" in front of a camera broadcasting to 3 million people is so eye-rolling it makes you forget about those asides in the Raven vignettes. WCW's backstage segments are so hamfisted and illogical at this point--I remember John Petrie's recaps completely deconstructing the idea of cameras just wandering around backstage, filming wrestlers doing random stuff and hoping something happens. 1998 WWF was actually pretty light on backstage vignettes and I remember even during the Ministry stuff there being an explanation or at least a plausible reason for a camera being backstage, with a minimum or absence of pretending that they weren't on the air.- 5 replies
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Apparently the initial vignettes weren't any more popular with the WCW brass than this one was with Hogan--Sandman has now debuted as a wrestler (still unnamed) and we take a hard left turn with these segments. Raven's sulking persona is all an act, which was not a change this character really needed even if the real Scott Levy is more Johnny Polo than Raven. These aren't the worst segments in WCW history or anything but Raven's constant asides to the camera (that no one else can hear) are eye-rolling.
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[1999-02-07-Toryumon-King of Dragon] Great Sasuke vs Magnum Tokyo
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in February 1999
I thought this blew away the elimination tag--Tokyo wrestles like a man well beyond his years here. Sasuke, for once, isn't wrestling as an underdog in a big promotion, so we don't get him having a body part taken away from him so he can blow it off later--he's in the dominant position and, to my amazement, holds this match together really well. This was another ambitious effort, but this time, the reach doesn't exceed the grasp. A low-level MOTYC.- 5 replies
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[1999-02-06-ECW-TV] Shane Douglas, Francine, Chris Candido & Tammy Sytch
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in February 1999
Looks like we're in Detroit, in one of the biggest arenas I've ever seen an ECW show. Yes, the premise for this is just beyond insulting and I don't know what the fuck was up with the idea of Joey Styles possibly stripping. Heyman really didn't think much of his audience if he thought they'd actually buy this as possibly happening. I guess Douglas is a babyface now, because overtalkative loudmouths who parade around with hot chicks and win all the time make for such great babyfaces.- 4 replies
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You know what? I'd buy a ticket to see this in 1999, no question. Would you believe that Hayes was younger than most of the WCW main eventers of this time? He wasn't even 40 yet!
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Sort of a repeat of last week's angle, but not a bad chaotic scene in the storage area. And they're not overdoing it with the Sean/Stacy stuff like the WWF did with the XXX Files.
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Santo and Casas is a Dream Team, but something about it feels...wrong, somehow. Like they should never be on the same side. That said, I liked this a bit--I'm with Chad in that I didn't think this was *great*, but I did enjoy it. Casas still has such velocity to everything he does--he actually manages to make his Casita/la majistral look like a high-impact move here. They also avoided the cliched double- or triple-pin finishes to end each fall. That said, the ending doesn't really make sense even though the brawl with Perro is a cool wild scene. Scorpio slaps him, sets off the incident, and for some reason Santo and Casas are declared the winners. Overall a fun effort, made almost entirely by the technicos.
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[1999-02-03-GAEA-Premium League Finals] Meiko Satomura vs Toshie Uematsu
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in February 1999
This is worked almost like a young-lions' match for the first chunk--all very basic, but at least they lay everything in. This turns into something inoffensive to something really special, as they craft a pretty compelling match based mostly around rather simple counters and holds. "Playing within themselves," as the cliche goes. And refreshingly not too overindulgent for joshi. This stands up against most of the best '96 GAEA for sure, from the two apparent standout workers from the promotion.- 6 replies
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[1999-02-01-WWF-Raw] Vince McMahon hunts for Stone Cold
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in February 1999
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Yeah, the time is rapidly approaching to get out of haha territory and put some heat back onto this feud. Russoffication of the product notwithstanding, I'm fairly confident that we'll get it.
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[1999-02-01-WCW-Nitro] Kevin Nash and Lex Luger promo
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in February 1999
Boy, Liz, don't bother to keep a straight and face and put over the stips or anything. Luger is still playing to the crowd as a babyface just as Nash has been, which is quite the contrast from his performance on tape. Heenan drops a quick reference to old-tyme Jack Pfefer women's star Yulie Brynner--Bobby is obviously increasingly out of touch at this time but it made *me* snicker.- 4 replies
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Lex and Liz make goo-goo eyes at each other and are being set up as an on-camera couple. Luger fits in well in this environment--Liz, not so much, as her dialogue recital is pretty wooden albeit not Nitro Girl-caliber. There are interesting parallels between Goldberg's entry into the business and Luger's, that a promotion that's more on the ball could have possibly drawn upon for this (apparent) feud.
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Well, the other issue is, Bischoff keeps finding ways to outsmart Flair in the end, which is kind of backwards. When Vince is booked to look foolish, he goes all-in, 100%. Bischoff seems to be trying to want to be a cool heel still. That said, La Parka's presence here was ROTFL-worthy and made it all worth it.
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