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You're fucking nuts EDIT: I completely misread that. I thought you meant Jumbo-tenryu was in the 150s. I had no idea you had an honorable mention section.

Well, you may as well take out JBL-Taker right now because Tenryu-Jumbo 6-5-89 is going to knock that off in a big way.

Dude, you may want to rethink the list and not number them. Instead, you may want to just divide it by star rating.

Man, I have been telling you for a year how awesome that match is. With Jumbo-Tenryu, that may be the best 1-2 punch on any show... ever.

I'll reread it and see what I can come up with.

How in the hell did you find that? Awesome awesome stuff.

I see where Mad Dog is coming from. Colt Cabana is supposed to be Punk's last match and he is right there sticking with the company. I don't know if I would want Colt as my champion but i enjoyed him much more than Xavier, that's for sure.

Wild Pegasus, I just want to make sure you understand that that list is just a set of matches that have supposedly been discussed.

I haven't gotten that far yet. I have been... um... working

NOAH Destiny 7-18-05 Ratings: 1. Aoyagi, Suwa & Sugiura vs. Nakajima, Momota, & Kikuchi **1/4 2. Morishima & Yone vs. Honda & Shiozaki **3/4 3. Inoue, Kawabata, Saito, Koshinaka vs. Taue, Sano, Izumida, Eigen DUD 4. Mushiking Terry vs. Black Mask **1/4 5. KENTA vs. Yoshinobu Kanemaru ****1/2 6. Suzuki & Marufuji vs. Akiyama & Hashi ****1/4 7. Takeshi Rikio vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi ***1/4 8. Genichiro Tenryu vs. Yoshinari Ogawa ** 9. Kenta Kobashi vs. Kensuke Sasaki ****3/4 10. Misawa vs. Kawada ***1/2 Smackdown 8-4-05 Notes --- Final rating was a 2.9. Would have been a 2.6 without the Latino audience. --- The show did terrible numbers in New York, Boston and Houston. --- Meltz says the Guerrero-Mysterio angle is the most successful TV angle the company has done in a long time but the show is not doing well. --- SD! is the highest rated English show among U.S. Hispanic audiences.

Nothing here is set in stone.... --- Hart has asked brother Ross to look through the Stampede collection to find hidden gems of Bret fighting DK or other big names. Since time is a major issue, there may be a problem converting the collection in time. --- WWE has had no luck dealing with New Japan to get footage of Hart fighting DK or the original Tiger Mask. Hart has suggested a NJ match with TM in 1982 from Dubai, which he believes is his best singles match against TM. If not, he also suggested their WWF Jr. title match from Japan that year. --- Hart wants several skits of the Hart Foundation and major angles through the years, particularly Team Canada from 1997. --- Meltz guesses these matches will appear on the set... vs. Davey Boy (Sumemrslam 1992) vs. Austin (Wrestlemania 13) vs. HBK (Wrestlemania 12) vs. Curt Hennig (Summerslam 1991) vs. Chris Benoit (Owen Tribute match 1999) --- Other matches that have been suggested and are under discussion include... vs. Ricky Steamboat (3-8-86, Boston) vs. Randy Savage (11-11-87, SNME) vs. Ted Deibiase (3-8-89, Odessa, TX) vs. Andre the Giant (4-23-90, Milan Italy) Hart Foundation vs. The Rockers (SNME) Hart Foundation vs. Road Warriors (3-12-91) vs. Ric Flair (Bret wins first title, 4-13-93) vs. Owen and vs. Yokozuna (WMX) vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (4-24-93) vs. 123 Kid (7-1-94) vs. Owen (9-29-94, Bret's favorite match with Owen) vs. Hakushi (7-24-95, RAW) vs. Isaac Yankem (Summerslam 95) vs. Jean Pierre Lafitte vs. Davey Boy Smith (12-17-95 PPV) Canadian Stampede Main Event vs. Undertaker (One Night Only 1997) vs. Goldberg (Starrcade 99)

Yes!!! For the last couple of weeks, I have been recieving them on Mondays. I just got lucky today... in more ways than one

The last two issues were pretty small and I was busy anyway so you didn't get one of these. However, I have ssome free time on my lunch break right now to start this off. Bret Hart --- To the outside it appears that Vince and Bret shook hands, kissed and made-up. The reality is that the two put aside their differences simply to produce the DVD. --- The original DVD was going to be a burial job of Bret simialr to the Warrior DVD that is going to come out. --- Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Jerry Lawler, Bruce Pritchard, Shawn Michaels, and others all taped interviews portraying Bret in a negative light. --- Chris Benoit refused to say anything negative about Bret and Jim Ross was very diplomatic and never knocked Hart in his interview. --- Before Bret agreed to do the DVD he did not want the DVD to focus on Montreal or to focus on Owen's death. He realized they had to be addressed but did not want them to be what the DVD was about. Shane McMahon tried to convince Bret that sales would be better if they focused it on Montreal. --- Bret Hart has creative control of the venture but not exactly (?). It is a jointproduction of Bret Hart and WWE. Both sides are working together on the documentary portion as well as what matches, clips and angles to include. --- They are working on a short deadline and and have to be finished by the end of the month. In less than two weeks, they will present a final product. --- If WWE puts out a product that Bret is not happy with then he has the right to remove himself from the project and the WWE cannot use any of the interview footage that Bret shot. --- Vince McMahon shot an interview while Bret was looking on. Apparently, Bret had no problem with what Vinnie Mac said . --- Nothing else has been agred upon for future projects. Hart is adament about not doing any televised angles in any form. --- Meltz says the most ironic interview done for the DVD was Hogan's. in his interview, Hogan said that when Hart refused to put HBK over, he ceased being one of the boys, could no longer be trusted and that is why noone would do business with him in WCW. Meltz points out the irony of Hogan using Hart as an example of refusing to put someone over. He also points out that it is even funnier when Hogan used Bret's name to get a babyface reaction on TV. What is even funnier is that the fans in Pittsburgh chanted "You Screwed Bret" at HBK even though that is the place where Hart gave his famous "The enema of the United States" promo. --- According to one wrestler, when Bret came in, he said that he heard nothing but negative things coming from Hogan, Hall and Nash about Bret. The problem with Hogan stemmed from Hogan being offended to pass the torch to Bret in 1993 and Hart later criticizing Hogan's wrestling ability. When he got to WCW, Hogan agreed to start on a clean slate with Hart but not when it came to talking behind his back. With Hall and Nash, it is funny because just days before Montreal they were both on the phone with Bret trying to convince him to come to WCW and gavce up their "favored nations" contract to get him to sign. The one member of Hall and Nash's crew who would not say anything negative about him was Sean Waltman (X-pac). He was a fan of Bret's work and stuck up for Bret. ---The aforementioned all went to Bischoff and made sure that Bret was never able to get off the ground. He was pulled ut of programs, including the successful Ric Flair program, and clean wins for Bret were nixed before they could even begin. --- Shawn Michaels reportedly had nothing good to sya bout him and it is most likely that none of his comments will be used. --- Piper's negative comments were a surprise because Piper has referred to Bret and Owen as his cousins and was said to be a friend of Bret's. *I'll list the matches that are in discussion for being included on the set later.

BUt for someone just introducing themselves to lucha, I think it would make the transtition easier. Personally, I have always been fascinated by the "dance" aspect of wrestling so lucha is right up my alley. After watching the 3-17-00 PPV, I was pretty much hooked. However, right now I think I have enough oif a grasp to understand some of the little nuances but still need to learn more. Maybe we can talk Bihari into making a lucha faq.

Talking to a few people about the DVDVR deal, I have heard it is a logistical nightmare. Also, there are a limited amount of people here who have the ability to burn and distribute, namely myself and teke. Others may have the ability to duplicate and some have the ability to convert. However, it is hard enough managing trades and buys with 5-6 guys, much less an entire board. I don't know at this time if I would volunteer to distribute the matches.

Yeah, I have the 2-7-93 match ready to roll. I don't know about the others offhand. I think someone really needs to do a lucha primer or a lucha faq. One may exist but I don't know where to look. I think lucha is also easier to get used to when you actually know some of the wrestlers. It is much easier to digest lucha when watching guys like Rey and Eddie in there than with some guy in a mask you have only read about. Hell, I think you have the Los Gringos set. Sit back and watch that first.

Well, I think you have your two matches right there. Meltz mentioned that the idea right now is to make Eddie-Rey a ladder match. I think Big Show-Masters sounds like the most logical final match.

Actually, I haven't voted yet. I just realized I hit "add reply"

I voted for 1988. I hate to say it but I think we will run into the problem of people not being exposed to enough of the great guys who wrestled before that to give a valid judgment.

Wolverine, did you get the PM I sent a you awhile back and are you interested? If so, shoot me a PM.

I don't think you can give credit to Benoit for these matches without also giving vcredit to Eddie who was in the match also. However, with that list of matches, Imay have to shoot Lynch an email and see if he can put this comp together so I can see how Benoit's stuff listed here compares to Eddie's AAA run.

Can anyone who saw last week's SD! comment on any of the matches?

There just isn't any fun in that.