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I know this is a little off topic but Normal, Illinois was mentioned in the episode. The city is the home of Illinois State University, whose mascot is the Redbirds, hence Redbird Arena. In addition, Normal was named after the school. At one time teachers' colleges were known as Normal Schools. The original name of ISU was Illinois State Normal University. I've visited Normal numerous times, it has a nice college town atmosphere. Not as nice as Madison, Wisconsin but way better than Urbana-Champaign, Illinois.

Did Nick Duke have to refer to the women in the Miller Lite Cat Fight as "bitches"? Is mispronouncing Hulk Hogan's name really worthy of being called a derogatory term?

Imagine trying to wash a banana out of that hair.

Thanks for the help but I tried that but it didn't work. Edit: Just got it to work. Thanks everyone for all the help.

How do I check my parental controls for Roku?

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The way I understood it, if you signed a contract like this, they basically don't owe any royalties at all for showing your match on TV, putting it on a DVD or anything else. Now, would that apply to pre-Zuffa UFC or bouts that were promoted by non-Zuffa groups like Pride or WEC which Zuffa now owns? I have no idea. However, they because have the rights to the fights as long as they promise "ZUFFA ... shall not authorize or permit the Identity of Fighter to be used as a direct or implied endorsement of any product, service, sponsor or commdity". (2.3f) If UFC doesn't do royalties for DVDs or replays then how can Lorenzo Fertitta compare their contracts to Hollywood? Actors, writers, directors, etc. all receive royalties. It does seem UFC is taking advantage of their fighters.

In the Bleacher Report article Lorenzo Fertitta states: "You're not going to put an event on television and, five years down the road, not have the rights to show that somewhere. You have to have those rights." This made me wonder if there is a royalty system set up in UFC. If a fight is replayed or is on a DVD will the figter(s) receive a royalty payment?

I'm not sure this concept works completely for wrestling. Albums such as Love's Forever Changes, Van Dyke Parks' Song Cycle, and the Rolling Stones' Exile on Main St (just to name a few) are cohesive works of art which are intended to be digested as a complete whole. Sure, a person is able to listen to Tumbling Dice on its own and enjoy it as a good song but when it is placed alongside strong album cuts like Rocks Off, Rip This Joint, Shake Your Hips, and Casino Boogie (all featured on record 1/side 1) the listener is given a much richer musical experience that creates mood and atmosphere. This goes double for a concept album like Beach Boys' Pet Sounds in which the songs taken as a whole allows the listener to gain some sort of understanding of the emotional state of its creator, Brian Wilson. I'm not sure complete wrestling shows work on the same deep, abstract level that the majority of the greatest albums ever recorded are able to work.

Case in point - the Chiefs are my team, and there was a lot more Belcher coverage in this region than there was nationally, and my first reaction to this was "what the fuck is jdw talking about?" Shit, I had to look up what the Accent Signage Systems shooting was and I live in Minneapolis!

This is true, Lynch spent most of his time during season 2 working on Wild at Heart. BTW, I apologize for the TV talk.

No, because they are not alike at all. Firefly is more like Freaks & Geeks than TZ, a beloved show that had one season. EDIT: Took me awhile but I finally remembered the point I originally was trying to make. I was trying to argue that it isn't fair to say Firefly failed. Looking back my choice of TZ as an example was a poor choice. Freaks and Geeks, Arrested Development, and Star Trek would all have been much better. I get your point that Firefly lasted one season and therefore was a failure, but I'm do not think it is fair to judge art on commerce. Firefly by all accounts was an artistic success and doing a quality show was the creator's job. It is the job of the network marketing staff to get people to watch, those people failed as no one watched the show when it originally aired.

I agree, TZ is an amazing show. I only meant that a show lasting 5 seasons at that time wasn't a big deal. The quality of the show is not in doubt. TZ is easily one of the great TV programs of all-time. EDIT: Serling continued to produce quality work post-TZ with the underrated Night Gallery and Planet of the Apes.

To be fair almost every show "fails". Most TV shows are cancelled; few end on their own terms. Twilight Zone and Star Trek, both typically regarded as the finest Sci-Fi shows ever produced, were both cancelled, were they failures? Twin Peaks was cancelled in season 2 and yet is still regarded as one of the greatest shows of all-time. The Honeymooners was cancelled after one season! I'm not sure your argument about TV shows is valid. Twilight Zone went 5 seasons, 150+ episodes. TZ's 5 season run was average at the time. Although a critical smash the show was viewed as a disappointment by CBS. In fact, CBS nearly cancelled the show in the first season. TZ did not become the massive success it is today until it was put in syndication after it was cancelled. Also, when you compare TZ's run with many of the other iconic shows of that period it isn't impressive. Make Room for Daddy ran for 11 seasons, Alfred Hitchcock Presents 10 seasons, Lassies 19 seasons, Bonanza 14 seasons, Gunsmoke 20 seasons. 5 to 6 seasons was an average at best run.

To be fair almost every show "fails". Most TV shows are cancelled; few end on their own terms. Twilight Zone and Star Trek, both typically regarded as the finest Sci-Fi shows ever produced, were both cancelled, were they failures? Twin Peaks was cancelled in season 2 and yet is still regarded as one of the greatest shows of all-time. The Honeymooners was cancelled after one season! I'm not sure your argument about TV shows is valid. Twilight Zone went 5 seasons, 150+ episodes. Star Trek got saved to run a 3rd season and had 75+ episodes. You're misrepresenting the history of the Honeymooners: it was a Gleason skit on COS and TJGS the prior four seasons, with the last two seasons seeing the vast majority of skits being even longer than the "series" episodes were. By the end of the first season of the series, it was less "cancelled" than CBS and Gleason agreed to end it as a series and go back to TJGS. The Honeymooners skits appeared on most of the shows Gleason appeared on, obviously not on the ones with guests hosts. To a degree, it ran for 6 straight seasons, not 1. The first two as a key regular skit on Gleason's variety show, the next two as the dominant part of the show. Then broken out into it's own stand alone show, before being rolled back into a variety show format but before long becoming the dominant element of the show when Gleason was on it. That's not even getting into Gleason going to the well with it another 60+ times in the 60s, 70s and 80s on various shows of his and specials. That's all part of the legend of the Honeymooners, rather than limiting it to the "Classic 39". I'm sure if I asked my folks when I'm down there for Mothers Day about the Honeymooners, they talk about TJGS skits as well as the series, and my Dad would likely mention Cavalcade just because his memory of all that stuff remains sharp (don't even get him started one the dozens of Westerns form the 50s and 60s ). One of the reasons they agreed to cancel the Honeymooners is because it went from the #2 show to the #19 show within one season. That is a massive drop in viewership over the course of one season.

Did Hogan believe the Dungeon of Doom angle would be a moneymaker or was it just him stroking his own ego?

Ellison will be financing Anderson's next film. Hollywood studios are willing to take risks in order to nurture a relationship with someone they wish to continuing working with. Universal had to know Last Temptation would not only lose money but also create religious controversy, they were willing to weather that storm in order to get films like Cape Fear and Casino.

It doesn't matter if she is the daughter of one of the richest men in the world, she is willing to lose money for the sake of art. To your point about making mainstream fare, she will be producing the next Terminator film. Ellison was able to purchase the rights to make Terminator 5 for $20 million, it goes to show how little value that franchise currently holds.

It was a bit more complicated than that. Scorsese's agent was a long time colleague of the head of MCA. MCA had bought close to half of Cineplex Odeon Corporation, who MCA convinced to become equal equity partners in Last Temptation. That guaranteed that it would be shown in theatres, which was the big reason why Gulf+Western canned it in the first place. Despite backing the project, MCA slashed the budget and shooting schedule. Their real intention with Last Temptation was to lock Scorsese into a picture deal since Colour of Money had been successful at the box office. I was just using Scorsese and Last Temptation as an example of a time when a studio agreed to do something not for financial gain. A more recent example would be Paul Thomas Anderson's The Master and financier Megan Ellison. She did not put up the money for the Master because she thought it could be a blockbuster hit.

My mom and sister watched it when it first aired in 1990-1991. I was only 7 when it first aired but I am a big fan now, so is my wife. The first season is one of the best seasons any TV show ever had. I think it is hard to compare wrestling to other art forms in that artistic merit is actually important in film, music and television while I don't think it is in wrestling. Hollywood studios do in fact make some films just because they think they will be good, if they happen to make money that is a plus. These films are known as Prestige Films, films that give the studio a sense of prestige. Universal gave money to Martin Scorsese to make Last Temptation of Christ because they respected him as an artist, they never thought the film would be a box office hit. Warner Brothers signed Husker Du in 1986 because they felt the band would give their label a "hip" status not due to record sales. I doubt wrestling promoters have ever done angles just because they thought they would be artistically successful but not financially successful.

To be fair almost every show "fails". Most TV shows are cancelled; few end on their own terms. Twilight Zone and Star Trek, both typically regarded as the finest Sci-Fi shows ever produced, were both cancelled, were they failures? Twin Peaks was cancelled in season 2 and yet is still regarded as one of the greatest shows of all-time. The Honeymooners was cancelled after one season! I'm not sure your argument about TV shows is valid. And to go back to the whole "a large part of success and greatness is making money", shows like Firefly, Trek, Twilight Zone, Honeymooners, etc all eventually did make money. The may not have been instant successes, but they did eventually succeed on some level. Look at Arrested Development, it's a perfect example of eventual success in the field of TV Shows. Now, there's no bigger fan of Twin Peaks than me, but it fucking failed...period. And pissed me off. How that left me hanging, made me so mad I literally threw shit at my TV. Twin Peaks has a pretty sizable fanbase in the Hipster culture. For example, a recent advertising campaign from H&M used Twin Peaks as inspiration. I'm not saying it is a money maker to the extent of Star Trek or Twilight Zone but anything by David Lynch will have a sizable fanbase.

To be fair almost every show "fails". Most TV shows are cancelled; few end on their own terms. Twilight Zone and Star Trek, both typically regarded as the finest Sci-Fi shows ever produced, were both cancelled, were they failures? Twin Peaks was cancelled in season 2 and yet is still regarded as one of the greatest shows of all-time. The Honeymooners was cancelled after one season! I'm not sure your argument about TV shows is valid. That said, Paul Heyman is not the best booker of all-time.

You mention in the shoot Barry talks about Vince's love of Mike Rotundo, does he mention why? Has anyone every heard stories of why Vince really like Rotundo? I'd really like to know more about this, it just seems really odd.

Not really sure if this deserves a thread of its own or not so I thought I would just ask here. Does anyone here know the history or any information about apartment wrestling? Who produced the films, who were the ladies, and where they were made? I have always assumed the ladies were strippers and/or hookers but I have read that Woman appeared in some films under the name Para. The handful I've seen were from from the 70s and shot on 8mm film but I know they were still being made in the 80s and am curious if they makers made the switch to video tape. Apartment wrestling has always been a topic I've been fascinated by and feel it is one of the more unusual aspect of wrestling fandom.