Tim Cooke

Polish Bob Stupak being Randazzo is amusing, if not a tad sad.

Did you enjoy working with Giant Baba? Who called those matches? How pre-planned were they?

Express started teaming in late 84 and went until at least 12/87

ROH fans suck for a lot of reasons, but not buying the german suplex as a finisher isn't surprising, seeing as how it has been abused for the past 15 years.

If that was only a brief expose of Keith's fuck up's, I imagine it could take days to type up all the other stuff. Someone should email him this thread.

Maybe a sign plant. WCW did that ALL the time back in the early 90's

Tilt a whirl back breaker was around in Mexico years before Steiner was doing it. That was a common Atlantis/Mascara Sagrada spot in 1988.

The Steiner influence is clearly ONLY the rana. Steiner didn't do any other flying and Rey didn't do any other suplexes/throws.

He dove off the cage to get into the finals on the live Thunder before Superbrawl against Bryan Adams/Horace Hogan. It was also a Thunder with Goldberg challenging Austin to come on Jay Leno. It was the last attempt at making Thunder seem special before they just ignored it completely. He did the high dive 3 times with Russo from October 99 - January 2000 (vs. Malenko in Cage, vs. Jarrett Ladder, vs. Jarrett cage) EDIT: there may have been a forth on TV in a 3 way tag with Hart/Nash/Hall/Sid/Jarrett/Goldberg but I am not positive on that one

Dutch Mantel in March 1986 - he loses his title, Dundee/Landel start talking shit about him behind his back in promos and matches, finally beat him up. Dutch sings Wildwood Flower with Eddie Marlin and is a face

Scott Keith is a HUGE leader in the "if it isn't a clean pin or submission, it sucks." That has transferred over to ROH fans.

Race v Jumbo 1 hr draw from 1978 was VERY mediocre. Lots of laying in side headlocks, not doing anything. The "Mid Atlantic" headlock gets crapped on but that was all Race was here. The early 80's matches against Baba weren't anywhere near their 70's stuff. I think the 12/9/75 match is too much of the Race boring mat work but it still ends up being a good match. The World Class match from 82 against King Kong Bundy got some pimping for Race carrying Bundy but I didn't see the carry job personally. I would have to go back and look at some more lists to see what other Race stuff I didn't care for but those are a few different matches with good and bad opponents that stand out.

At DVDVR in the Memphis Stock Picks, Phil talked about Harley Race being the 70's version of Kurt Angle - lots of moves, big bumping, no real idea on how to lay out a match. I like the Baba/Race matches from the 70's and the Race/Jumbo match from 1977 but a lot of the other Race stuff I have seen has been mediocre. I always dismissed it as wrestling I don't really care for that much but with Phil bringing up the Angle comparison, I think it is valid. In terms of guys from the 70's who I have seen a fair amount of footage from, Race really doesn't come close to Baba, Destroyer, Jumbo, Lawler, Dundee, and Robinson for having the entire package. Moving into the 80's, same story only more downhill for him. I'm not dismissing Race completely as he has had some good stuff but he is being over rated in those years.

They have only wrestled one singles match. It is sometimes mistakenly referred to as 11/96

Looks amazing but it is just too clipped up to really know. Makes an awesome highlight package though. And I need that LLT match as soon as you get it Bix!

Both are on tape but heavily clipped. The cage match shows 3-4 minutes of highlights (lots of Dundee highspots off of the cage) and the LLT is the last couple of minutes.

In the thread, is that you Bix as rolochoshu?

Who are these WWEBots?

This is amazing. Where did you get it? Even though it is 7 minutes in total (last 5 minutes and then a nasty 1 minute post match beating after some mic work), I loved every second of this from Lawler knowing exactly how to get more and more vulnerable as Morton comes back so that when Ricky finally hits his thesz press and barrage of punches, the crowd is going ape shit. These two must have a full (or more complete match on tape somewhere) that hasn't been discovered yet.

Got it

Have the discs gone out yet?