Grimmas

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Link two posts up. I'm starting watching now. Chat in here or start a new message thread?

Episode of Portland from September 1983?

Let's do this goc!

That's not art though, that's ascribing standards which do not exist in the medium. Because if that's the case, then you say, "Pineapple Express is great, the way that they filmed the intro was pure class," and I can't say anything in return because you can't argue an objective standard. I'm not saying we can't argue. I'm not using it to shut down arguments and I also don't have much evidence for it. It just seems fishy to me that the more someone gets into an art the more their views change and a lot of people's views converge.

Jack Tunney is up for anything, but expects to lose as president. He does request to be the personal booker of the NWA World Midgets Title.

I think it's possible that good art is good art and bad art is bad art regardless of the viewer/listener/reader.

I've heard one plan and your promotion is the one I can't wait to read the most. Kris and Dylan will probably be the two ends of the spectrum.

Hansen on 10th Midgets on 10, 23, 25

Still not settled....

Yes please, in the draft thread. This is my final pick statement

how do you think you can objectively define "quality"? this is the issue people like jimmy redman and myself have. i flat-out don't think it's possible. the issue is that seeing merit in anything requires you to buy into a surrounding value system that prizes the qualities you think are "objectively" important. and that value system itself may not necessarily have any objective arguments in its favor, or have strong arguments against it. for instance, i could easily picture someone not rating any 90s AJPW ***+ because of the long-term effects of the style. they would basically be saying "celebrating these matches is implicitly celebrating brain damage, and that's such an important issue to me that it overrides anything the matches themselves have to offer". and i think that would be a perfectly reasonable viewpoint as long as it's applied to other culpable wrestling out there. i don't see any concrete case for "the art and the personal are separate" being inherently more valid than "the art and the personal are linked". or imagine someone who doesn't get much out of even the most celebrated wrestling stories, like magnum-tully. this person has also been desensitized to highspot wrestling. so they end up seeing the corniness/weirdness as the creative heart & soul of wrestling, and could consider a lot of 80s WWF straight-up better than the stuff i've mentioned in this post. if they can explain why they've ended up turning the smart-fan value system on its head, how can you say their opinion is any less relevant than anyone else's? I have never said objectivity can be achieved. In fact, I'll say for the third time in this thread that knowing that, I still think it's worth striving for, knowing we'll fail all the while. It's not about liking what you like. Everyone should like what they like. But "I liked it" and "It was good" are mutually exclusive. As one example, I liked Angle-Show at Backlash 2000. It wasn't a great match. That's not me establishing that I'm objective, that's me making an attempt to be objective. An attempt. If people have different takeaways, that's fine. It's up to everyone to figure out how they are going to rate, watch and talk about wrestling. But where people lose me is when two wrestlers do the exact same thing and one gets criticized for it while the other gets praised for it. That's the kind of objectivity I like to see at least attempted in match reviews - not factually correct opinions (that idea is laughable), but not trashing matches solely because of predisposition against the wrestlers, or the fans of the wrestlers, or the promotion it happens in, or some other environmental factor. It's not about objectivity for me. It's about consistency. And really, "fair" is a better word than objective here. It bugs me when I think people aren't giving something a fair chance. If they are, whatever takeaways they have aren't going to get too many objections from me, even if they are drastically different from my opinions. Just because we can't be completely objective does not mean there is not an objective basis for good art.

Maybe, maybe not. There will be a major joint show that day, but Abdullah is not guaranteed for it.

Put all your requests in, but it's not first come first serve. I'm going to take my time to pick these. Abdulllah the Butcher 11-15 for Maple Leaf 17-21 for WWC 24th for Starrcade 26th for Grey Cup 27-28 for WWC Bruiser Brody 2nd for Mid South 4th for World Class 5th for Mid South 9th for Mid South 10th for Stampede 14th for World Clas 18th for World Class 24th for Starrcade (25th + in AJPW) Stan Hansen 2nd for Mid South 5th for Mid South 9th for Mid South 10th for Stampede 11-15 for Maple Leaf 24th for Starrcade (25th + in AJPW) Mil Mascaras 24th for Starrcade (25th + in AJPW) The Sheik Midgets 24th for Starrcade 26th for Grey Cup Women 24th for Starrcade 26th for Grey Cup

I pan most house shows to be about 2-3 hours major shows longer. TV will be an hour.

I have about 4 guys on my list that NOBODY wants and I will pick them in the last round. They don't have much value outside of jobbing in Toronto.

Jesse Ewiak (passed once) Flyin' Brian RocketCrypt Beast TravJ1979

It is yeah.

Keith Hart

Yeah, sorry. WIll pick now.

Tiger Conway Jr

Technically, once the 5 hours are up, the next guy gets to go. in this case, it's Parv since he's the second pick. So, technically, he has 10 hours due to the quirk of being back to back. Amazing luck.

When people drop out we will be open to new promoters

Maple Leaf Wrestling selects "Outlaw" Joel Deaton.

Wahoo selects paul ellering