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  1. Downloads have to be down, right? Seems like there's very little buzz. I had a bad feeling when Conrad revealed the next 20 episodes and none sounded that intriguing. Bottom of the barrel folks.
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    Been 10 days, wow didn't realize. Hope all is good with Dean. Appreciate the work you did in maintaining this thread. Easily the best thing to happen on this forum and quite a while. Thanks
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    Big fan of these Right now this is the main reason I check this site every day. Great job Dean and thanks!
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    [1997-04-07-WWF-Raw] Interview: Shawn Michaels

    One of the worst promos ever from pre-20 minute opening spiel WWF. Shawn talked forever, with seemingly no purpose other than to vent his real-life frustrations out on Bret, and Bret isn't even in the building. The inside baseball shoot stuff would have been tedious to most fans watch, and Shawn doesn't even build to any sort of climax, talking until Owen and Bulldog run out for a lame nothing attempted attack. I also noticed how Shawn claimed he supported Bret when he was first champion, even though he was a heel to Bret's face for almost 3 years more. Vince standing there while Shawn hijacked his show (deep in battle with Nitro) is one of the more emasculating things I've seen from him. Complete garbage that doesn't build to anything other than Shawn's ego. Unbelievable to imagine promos got even more shooty from here. WWF 1997 gets a lot of praise, but rewatching this show, god it was terrible whenever Austin/Foundation weren't on-screen feuding.
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    WWE Crown Jewel: No Girlz ALLOWED~!

    Agreed. They must be living their childhood dreams, like a WWE Fantasy Camp. They just enjoy the idea of being in the WWE. Far removed from the old-school "I better get what's mine" mentality. Now Vince is like their daddy.
  6. A bit underwhelming. As pointed out above, the Rockers' only offense is punches and kicks, none of their trademark speedy moves or double teams. It's clear these teams hate each other (why?) and the blood gushes, but overall it felt anticlimactic. And for a match that's basically in the middle of their feud, the heels sure come off strong from beginning to end. Rose & Somers may cheat, but they dominate this match and neither Rocker ever has anywhere near an extended period of control. They don't even do anything that dastardly until after the match. And Sherri wasn't anywhere close to the presence she'd be with Savage. A Cornette-type at ringside would have gone a long way. Crowd reaction was impressive and all involved looked good. It just didn't live up to its reputation.
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    WWE Crown Jewel: No Girlz ALLOWED~!

    OK, thanks for clarifying. I'm with you on that stuff, but I started watching in '94 and didn't really start reading Observer-type news until 2005ish. The Eddy and Benoit deaths did change my level of fandom, but online communities kept it going. Saudi deal is still different to me, but I've said my piece.
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    WWE Crown Jewel: No Girlz ALLOWED~!

    What the hell? Do you not see the difference? This isn't like WWF doing a Sgt. Slaughter pro-Iraq angle where he's the bad guy. This is like WWF doing a show in Iraq promoting the progressiveness of Saddam's reign. Wrestling bubble to the extreme in this thread. Yes, we know WWE is a morally bankrupt company. Yes, they've done things we've complained about but overlooked because we were fans. If some of you don't see a difference in tasteless angles or anti-worker decisions and actively doing PR for a human rights violating country, I don't know what to tell you.
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    WWE Crown Jewel: No Girlz ALLOWED~!

    So if you've watched WWE at any point knowing how scummy it has been, you can never stop? Maybe there's a difference between an actual human rights issue and wrestlers undervaluing themselves? I feel like doing business with a country that has a terrible record of human rights (and just murdered a US resident for speaking out against the regime) is different than any offensive angles or WWE business practices. I don't understand "you weren't offended enough by these other no-related things" so it's hypocritical to be done with WWE over an actual political controversy.
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    Whoa, how did that not cripple Watts and JR's relationship forever? Or did it?
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    WWE Crown Jewel: No Girlz ALLOWED~!

    For sure, it's a slippery slope. But we know enough about Vince and his thought process and Stephanie saying "Charity is the PR of the 21st century" and the hypocrisy of the Saudi/Evolution PPV "woman's revolution" deal that I think this is different. We make choices in the modern world to ignore or excuse huge transgressions because of ease, re:Google/Facebook/Apple etc... WWE is such a specific entertainment that I don't think ending any financial transactions with them is a life changer for anyone. Full disclosure, I got rid of the Network many months (maybe even years) ago because I'd had enough. I still watch a TON of wrestling and am happy. I never thought there'd be a point in my life that I didn't at least follow WWE by reading recaps of Raw (or listening to Meltzer discuss it on F4W/WON) but that ended for good around WrestleMania for me and I even ended up cancelling my Observer subscription. That's why this site is so important to my watching habits. I just don't see WWE as 1) Being anything close to the wrestling that got me hooked on wrestling and 2) Worth excusing bad corporate behavior. Don't even get me started on unions... But that's my own personal deal and I understand for most it's probably something you compartmentalize while enjoying the latest Buddy Murphy match.
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    WWE Crown Jewel: No Girlz ALLOWED~!

    I don't want to start a big argument, but I hope everyone who finds WWE's relationship with Saudi Arabia to be terrible has cancelled the Network. Don't support them. Don't watch the shows. "But I love 205 Live" or "I really want to see Evolution" shouldn't counterbalance this whole deal. There's enough footage on YouTube, DailyMotion, torrents, etc... that if you want to watch 1984 WCCW, you don't have to give Vince another cent.
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    That sucks because the end of the Watts era is solid TV, with lots of promising up and comers in (Scorpio, Benoit, RVD, SMW invasion) and some intriguing storylines. But I'm guessing he would have been gone even with an improvement because of the racism controversy so oh well.
  14. Feels like bloom is off the rose. I listened to the 9/11 episode and Conrad listed like 20-30 upcoming weeks of shows and none got me that excited. Lots of PPV recaps and random superstar spotlights like Carlito, Rikishi and Regal, all sound hit or miss. PPV recaps can be good if there's a lot of interesting backstories to the time period, but it sounds like 1 of every upcoming 4 shows is 1998-specific. One that stood out in a positive is a show on both the Hardcore Championship and Daniel Puder. They should consider doing more multi-topic shows as most of the big ones have been covered.
  15. Pure spotfest, but it works as the introduction of WCW to a new audience. Liger's costume and the dives would have immediately stood out (and probably did to my 10-year old self). I've always looked at this episode as the premier example of how to book the 1st episode a new show, especially one that could be seen by a wider audience than usual. 1) Liger vs. Pillman - Has historical value for WCW fans, but for everyone else is an introduction to a style WCW did better and more often than WWF (aside from Waltman/Hakushi during this period). 2) Sting vs. Flair - Followup to a legendary feud (that even WWF-only fans may have heard of), plus features a surprise return from a WWF star in Luger. Again, historical value for WCW fans because Luger had issues with both men in the match. 3) Hogan vs. Bubba - Biggest name and current champion in a rare TV match, against a former rival in the WWF. Add in numerous vignettes/appearances by new talent (Norton, Sabu, IRS), plus finishing strong with the 1st ever Hogan/Luger interaction and this hits on all cylinders. Raw has never quite matched the feeling of the beginning of Nitro, where it felt like anyone could show up (Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero) and the matches were a weekly Who's Who of '90s stars (Hogan, Flair, Sting, Luger, Savage, Anderson). Add in the Steiners and Road Warriors (and Public Enemy debuting) in early '96, plus the emergence of The Giant and even pre-nWo Nitro was something special.
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