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Middle age is 40, since male life expectancy in Canada is 80. So, yeah, Christian is middle aged.

Sean Liska sums it up pretty well. I haven't really watched puro in years, just bits and pieces. With NJPW getting all this hype the last few years, I started to watch the Dominion show right after it happened. Half way through, I was enjoying it so much that I went back to February's ppv and watched all the main shows since. What I like about NJPW is that it varies so much. You have flyers, brawlers, technical, and cheating heels. This kind of format makes for the best wrestling product and it really helps. I'm enjoying it almost as much as WWE this year. I think incorporating American style wrestling into NJPW has been a huge success. Prince Devitt turning heel and forming his Bullet Club stable was awesome to watch. His matches with all the interference and cheating are so much more fun to watch then his super junior stuff. You can only take so much it's all about sportsmanship in wrestling and it's nice to see the cheater. Plus his push has been so well booked. That is another thing, the booking is well done. So straightforward and logical. The way title contenders are picked seems less helter skelter and makes a lot more sense. You can almost believe their is some championship committee watching the shows and picking the contenders based on wins and loses. Not to mention the tag division, which is a lot of fun. They have brought him some CMLL guys which adds another flavour. As for great matches, I will put up Okada-Tanahashi from Invasion Attack and Goto-Shibayata from Dominion with any other match this year. To sum things up, I don't know if NJPW is the best puro promotion (because I've only seen NJPW), but it is definitely worth checking out. Especially if you avoided puro in the past because of how far away it is from American wrestling.

My favourite will be not very popular, but: Demoliton Fabulous Rougeau Brothers Kawada & Taue Arn & Ole Anderson Samoan Swat Team or Islanders (I can`t decide) Rock `n` Roll, Strike Force and Jeri-Show are also teams I considered.

Vader vs. Inoki from 96 One of those Awesome-Tanaka matches, maybe? The Heat Wave one stands out to me. An El Samurai J-Crown Title match from his run. They were all crazy and fun and short. I second the Hansen-Andre match. There was that great Blue Panther-Negro Casas sub 8 minute match last year that ruled. Old man Tenryu! Don't have a particular match in mind. Hashimoto-Tenryu from G1 1998. Finlay-Tajiri from SMASH would be a good addition.

I was kind of uncomfortable with the whole story of that match.

Has anybody seen the PWS Super Show 2013. I have it ready to watch and it looks really interesting, however I haven't heard much hype for it. It has some really interesting looking stuff. Like: Kevin Steen vs. Dan Maff Elijah Burke vs. John MOrrison Rock 'n' Roll Express vs. Briscoe Brothers Kevin Matthews vs. Colt Cabana Vader vs. AC Gamble Heavenly Bodies & Tom Pritchard vs. Rock 'n' Roll Express & Big O John Morrison vs. Jushin Liger New Jack vs. Necro Butcher (New Jack's Retirement Match)

I think they are both similar so its really difficult for me. They were both bodyguards, tag team wrestlers, monsters, slimed down big guys and gaijins in Japan. The thing I find most similar is that they always looked really good in matches, but the amount of great matches was low. They may be two of the greatest wrestlers who didn't have many great matches ever. I'm watching most of Boss Man's matches chronologically right now, so I would go with Boss Man at the moment. However, if I did the same for Meng it may change.

Where is Goldberg on this list?

The Iron Man match often produces shitty matches, however the Steamboat-Rude one is one amazing match!

I've been watching a lot of Bossman lately. Actually I am kind of OCD and have been watching his stuff in chronological order from his WWF debut. I am up to his Hogan matches. There is one match I would like to mention that I haven't seen mentioned. It's against Koko B. Ware at MSG from October 24th, 1988. We all know Koko is really great against monsters, but this may had been the best one I saw yet. It's a lot of Bossman destroying Koko with his cool varied offence and Koko getting in a few furies of hope spots. The finish is what really stands out. Bossman does the coolest looking body slam I have seen in the history of wrestling and then goes for a big splash, which Koko moves out of the way and gets a lot of punches and stuff in, then he goes for a cross body block which gets countered into the Bossman slam for the win. Very cool finish, I thought.

You are right, 3 discs is not enough for either man.

I was thinking of these two wrestlers and comparing their careers recently and started to wonder which guy people thought was better. Both had really fun matches in long WWF and WCW careers. Both also had Japan runs and a good tag team run (Twin Towers and Faces of Fear). What is interesting is that both guys are really good in the ring, but don't have an abundance of great matches, more great performances. Is there an argument for either guy?

I'm 32. I think the 10/10/96 M-Pro ten man tag should be on a such a list. Such an insane spectacle that has been copied so many times since.

Damn right! Damn right!

How is there no thread for Little Guido. Dylan's went on about his ECW work that was great, but I seem to remember his WWE stuff being pretty good too. I really need to re-watch some of that. Just watched an UWF against Hiromitsu Kanehara http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhRgJ7LeSA and it was pretty fun even that early into his career.

I would love to watch the Twin Towers vs. Rock 'n' Roll Express.

The countdown was to the explosion, if I remember correctly.

The Shield is essentially Kaientai Deluxe without the flashy highflying with their level of double teaming and mugging. I love it. What an awesome match that was. Just perfectly built. I haven't watched TV, so watching the main event it really seemed like Punk would get a cheap win, leading to a Triple Threat at Mania. Obviously that didn't happen. So, now I have no idea what they have planned. So far we have, Rock vs. Cena Del Rio vs. Swagger Not a great start. However, for your Mexican hero babyface champ who better is there for him to face then the American anti-immigrant? Too bad that is Swagger and not JBL.

I'm currently debating whether to find a stream or go to the theater.

This is the match I've re-watched more than any other. Part of that is nostalgia and part of that is how this match has an amazing story. Matt D wrote is up pretty great. Heenan is just great in this match. Just the looks he gives and only tagging in when they have the advantage. He actually pins Jannetty, after he is killed by others. His bumping for Warrior is insane too. Jesse & Gorilla are at their height of abilities here with Jesse rooting for Heenan to win. The story is not just all about the Heenan Family trying to recover from Andre getting out early. Heenan had to insert himself in the match for Tully, to stop the Family from falling apart. You also get the sense that Haku is Heenan Family through and through and Arn is starting to question it. He gets mad at Heenan at one point for tagging him back in too early. There is a lot to this match and I look forward to more people actually giving this a shot, because its really unlike most WWF Survivor Series matches and WWF matches at the time altogether.

So, this was a pretty nice thread for the US workers and I thought it would be interesting for the Canadians as well. I think Bret Hart, Ivan Koloff, Rick Martel and Chris Benoit are pretty easy on the list. However, who are the other six? Owen Hart, Chris Jericho, Steve Corino, Roddy Piper, Abdullah the Butcher, Christian, Killer Kowalski, Pat Patterson, Gene Kiniski, Mad Dog Vachon? Some of these guys have a real lack of footage. This seems harder to make a definitive list than the US.

Speaking of Martel what matches that didn't make any of the 80's set are worth checking out?

Bossman was in 6 months before Hogan and challenging for a title on Starrcade.

How bad do you think Kane is?

I just watched every taped Vader-Angel/Boss match and damn those are great. I remember the Stampede and Fall Brawl matches, but the Bash/Havoc and Main Event matches are pretty great too. I dare say Bossman is a better opponent for Vader than Sting was.