TravJ1979

Has Arn ever had a bad match? I was wondering this last night while watching his match at SuperBrawl I against Eaton.

I've only watched the scaffold match so far. The match is not as dark as the YouTube version as you can clearly see everything. In the book, Cornette says they kept the ring lights (or house lights I can't remember) off during the match because the scaffolding was blocking them. That match is pro shot with commentary and is complete. I will be watching some more tonight. I did see the first ten or so seconds of the second match and it looks to have commentary and a static camera, eye level with the ropes.

So what is the Survivor Series Card? Anything announced other than Roman Reigns v. Alberto Del Rio Dean Ambrose v. Kevin Owens Paige v. Charlotte Bray Wyatt/Partner v. Undertaker/Kane World Title Finals?

1. Jerry Jarrett v. Don Greene - Scaffold Match - 8/15/71 "Two foot wide plank, Twelve feet in the air." ​Jarrett comes out with flowers and Greene grabs them and smashes them into the mat. The scaffold looks to be closer to ten feet than twelve. The object of this match is that you have to knock your opponent off the scaffold onto the mat TWO consecutive times. The match starts with both guys sitting and trading blows. A great performance by Jarrett as he actually gets beaten underneath the scaffold and he's holding on only by his feet and hands. Don Greene pounds away on Jarrett's fingers and uses his foot to kick him in the head. The strength Jarrett has to pull this off is amazing. Even more amazing is after hanging in this position for about three of four minutes he actually pulls himself back up on top of the scaffold! At this point he pounds on Don Greene until he is hanging from atop the scaffold and eventually falls down. 1-0 Jarrett. ~7 minutes. Don back up for round two and Jarrett grabs his head and slams it into the scaffold repeatedly causing a "Go Jerry Go" chant to break out. Knuckle lock/test of strength from both men in the seated position until Greene pulls out a chain and chokes Jarrett with it. The referee actually climbs up the scaffold to investigate, but as he attempts to take it away, Jarrett grabs it and chokes Greene with it. The referee seems to be okay with this as he climbs back down. However, when Greene gets the chain back again up goes the referee to take it away. Head scissors on Greene by Jarrett. Greene breaks free and pounds on Jarrett and frustrated he can't throw him off, pulls out powder and throws it in Jarrett's face causing Jarrett to return to his fingers and feet hanging position from the first portion. Smashing the heel of his foot into Jarrett's fingers causes him to fall and the referee awards it to Greene. 1-1 tie. Greene climbs down to meet the fallen Jarrett and throws him into the scaffolding, grabs the chain from the referee that was confiscated earlier and lays into Jarrett with it. Jarrett slammed into the scaffolding one more time before Greene climbs back up to await Jarrett. As Jarrett beings to ascend, Greene crawls over to him ready to attack which he does as soon as Jarrett arrives. Jarrett comes into possession of the chain and wraps it around his hand and throws some hard punches, choking with the chain. Jarrett gets Greene hanging from the scaffold and throws a dozen hard punches with the chain wrapped fist and Greene falls. 2-1 Jarrett and the match is over. Greene holding his arm after the match and the announcer plays as if its broken. Jarrett is $5,000 richer. The referee announces both and the crowd erupts at the announcement of Greene's arm being broken. I guess by consecutive falls they meant just two falls total : / This was a great match. Not only by scaffold match standards, but by any standard. Great heat and great use of the scaffold. I'd put it up there with Dundee/Ware from 1983. It may actually surpass it.

Received this today. I read the first 10 or so pages of the book and flipped through the rest as I didn't get home until late. While it probably is more exciting/interesting to me since I live so close, the book looks great. This is especially true if you are a results guy. I look forward to reading it with Cornette's insight. Here is the DVD match listings. As of this writing I haven't decided if I'm going to watch any tonight, but I'll put my reviews as I do. 1. Jerry Jarrett v. Don Greene - Scaffold Match - 8/15/71 2. Tojo Yamamoto/Jerry Jarrett v. Al Green/Phil Hickerson - Southern Tag Titles - 9/10/74 3. Tommy Gilbert/Eddie Marlin v. Al Green/Phil Hickerson - Southern Tag Titles - 9/22/74 4. Tojo Yamamoto/Jerry Jarrett v. Jerry Lawler/Don Kent - 9/22/74 5. Tojo Yamamoto v. Johnny Gray - 12/10/74 6. Tommy Gilbert/Eddie Marlin v. Duke Myers/Blue Scorpion - 12/10/74 7. Tojo Yamamoto/Eddie Marlin v. Big Bad John/Johnny Gray - 12/17/74 8. Tojo Yamamoto/Eddie Marlin v. Phil Hickerson/Doug Patton - Southern Tag Titles - 1/7/75 9. Tojo Yamamoto/Jerry Bryant v. Phil Hickerson/Doug Patton - 2/4/75 10. Tommy Gilbert/Ray Candy v. John Rogers/Luke Graham - 2/4/75 11. Tojo Yamamoto/Jimmy Golden v. George Barnes/Bill Dundee - Southern Tag Titles - 5/20/75 12. Bob Armstrong v. Mongolian Stomper - Southern Title - 9/16/75

RE: Rousey You are correct. The loss was so one sided it was embarrassing. In her last fight it was thought that she should take it to the ground so she was determined to end it with her hands. I think she went for the same here, Holm is supposed to be a great boxer so she wanted to beat her at her own game. Even worse, when that didn't work, and she went for her take downs, she got stuffed on those too. A very bad loss indeed.

About that I blame Travis Browne. No, really. This does kill any interest in Ronda at Mania, against Cyborg, etc. for me. "and 1" doesn't have the same punch as undefeated.

I did a quick search for "Wrestling Fan" within the title of posts to see if this had been done before, but I did not find any. After listening to the great podcast(s) done by Chad and Parv regarding their Top 100 Matches of all-time and listening to Chad talk about 1/20/97 I got to thinking about my own journey as a fan. I really enjoyed hearing his story, as most did judging by the comments, so I decided to do a recap here and encourage others to do the same. I was born in 1979 and my earliest memories of wrestling come around late 1986-1987. Growing up in Southern Indiana, I lived on Saturday morning Memphis wrestling. From 1987 until we got cable in late 1989 it was this and WWF syndication for me. While I vaguely remember seeing Jeff Jarrett as a referee and getting attacked along with Bam Bam Bigelow coming out at WMC Studios to the theme from "Jaws," my first solid memories are the feud between Soul Train Jones (aka Virgil) and Rocky Johnson against Downtown Bruno's Big Bubba (Typhoon)/Goliath. This and the build for WrestleMania III had me intrigued, but April 1987 got me hooked for life. I lived only 30 minutes from the Louisville Gardens, but I never went to see a show there until September 1997 for WWF's Ground Zero PPV. My dad would tell me all the time about him going to the Garden every Tuesday night until someone, around 1977 broke into his car and stole his radio. He would never go back so I missed out. I appreciate my dad being a fan otherwise I may have never got into it. He would take me to the store and I remember October 1987 issue of Wrestling Power being the first magazine I ever got. I also got numerous packs of the WrestleMania III trading cards. ... Jerry Lawler ...Tommy Rich ... Austin Idol ...Paul Dangerously ... The chain match, the crotch on the ring post and the Hair v. Hair cage match where Lawler gets his head shaved. One of the greatest angles in Memphis history happened to take place just as a I was getting invested. I was hooked. 1989 only fueled the fire. With cable I could now get Prime Time, Clash of the Champions, Saturday and Sunday's at 6:05 EST, World Class on ESPN in addition to Memphis. I still couldn't get PPV's and wouldn't be able to until 1996's World War III. I did have neighbors with the gigantic satellite dish and so I did see various PPV's through the early 90's with the most memorable being WrestleMania VI. When the Ultimate Warrior pinned Hogan, I grabbed the VHS tape and ran out the door performing the new champs entrance music all the way to my house. My mom had to stop me on the porch as to not give away the finish to my dad and uncle who were waiting for the tape inside. I would still watch wrestling any time it was on, but in 1992 my fandom started to fade. I stopped subscribing to the WWF magazine or talking about it outside of when I watched it with my dad. Then came by junior year of high school in 1996. Matt knew things that I didn't and this pissed me off. He knew real names. He knew masked identities. He proudly work HBK and Goldust shirts to school. During lunch I would fire off questions and be amazed and jealous at how easily the answers came to him. You see, Matt had America Online. I wouldn't get online until December of 1999. Yet I was determined to be as smart, if not smarter than Matt. My thought was to start buying every kayfabe magazine on the shelf and going back to look at my old magazines to find historical information. This lead me to the PWI Almanac and its title histories and PPV results. I was on a roll. I graduated high school in May of 1997 and still had tapes, no Observer and no Internet. I still felt confident enough to challenge Matt to a trivia contest via a proxy as I had graduated and he was a Senior. I made a list of questions and sent them via a friend and he returned with his. His questions were much more difficult, but looking back both lists would be laughable to me today. No winner was ever determined. I asked my mom to purchase me a magazine during a grocery trip. I didn't care which one. So she comes home with New Wave Wrestling magazine. I as sort of pissed and complained until I opened it. There it was in black and white REAL NAMES! 'INSIDER' INFO! I thought I had hit the jackpot. I immediately subscribed and wrote in the be included in the fan pages. Before I knew it I had a pen pal (In 1998, still no internet), a subscription to Karl Stern's GPWN newsletter (still had no idea what the WON or Torch was) and was on the mailing list of a tape dealer by the name of Mario Gatling. I'd realize later that Mario's list was basically a huge list of dubs from RF's catalog. So in 1998 I thought I was the smartest wrestling fan in the world. I had no idea what a "smart mark" was, but with my ever expanding tape collection of 4th generation WCW and WWF tapes and "Best of Cactus Jack" tapes that included tv squashes and his PPV losses I was pretty confident. Somewhere around this time I started hearing about Japanese wrestling and that 'serious' fans were into it. I thought I was a wrestling genius and so if Japanese wrestling was what they were watching then I would as well. So off went a money order to Mario for FMW: Story of the F and IWA King of the Death Matches 1995. The first website I ever went to, and I made sure to type it correctly, RobVanDam.com. As big of a wrestling genius that I thought I was, I decided RVD was the best wrestler in the world. Everything changed at this point. Down the rabbit hole I went -- to the point that I quit my job as I had sent the last 36 hours online with no sleep. AOL Grandstand, Scott Keith, on and on and on. I quickly came to the realization that I wasn't the smartest wrestling fan in the world. This pissed me off. I would soon make my way to AOL chat rooms and square off in trivia competitions against the likes of DACrusher, UltimoDraq, and the WrestlingGuru. I actually had an impressive W/L record as if that is anything to brag about. I spent most of my time being a huge prick to the casual fans. "The Rock sucks," "You've never heard of Hayabusa." and similar insults would be pounded out from my keyboard. Sadly, this period of my fandom would last, and shamefully, get worse over the course of the next five years. In real life I am bi-polar and stayed undiagnosed for years. I also developed an extremist attitude. That and Ebay does not mix. Not only did I want to buy and collect wrestling magazines, I wanted them ALL. Thousands of dollars spent on wrestling magazines, figures, and other memorabilia. Around this time I discovered the WON and spent years collecting every single issue. This was also true of the Torch. Before it was all said and done I had 95% full runs of both of them. I had 100% complete runs of WWF, PWI, RAW magazines with near complete collections of Inside Wrestling and The Wrestler. Besides death match wrestling my exposer to Japanese wrestling was limited to a random tape of AJPW 97 TV I bought off Ebay after seeing Misawa and Kobashi placing so high in the PWI 500. I wasn't that impressed and couldn't figure out why these guys were so highly regarded. Imagine basing your whole opinion of AJPW 90's on random episodes of '97 30 minute TV. Then I came into possession of the Super Power Series 1999 commercial tape. Kobashi vs. Misawa for the Triple Crown was the greatest match I had ever seen up to that point in time. I even made a website listing my Top 10 greatest matches. This was #1 and the rest of the list was laughable in hindsight. it even included EZ Money v. Kid Kash from a recent ECW PPV. Oh brother. Not only was I satisfied that my whole identity to my family and friends was formed by wrestling and that I was known as the definitive source among them, but I wanted to entertain them as well. Enter backyard wrestling. Yes, i did it. It started off modest enough. My first match involved thumb tacks as the most hardcore stunt. Falling in them with three layers of clothes on with the outer layers being a thick sweatshirt and jeans. each subsequent show got more and more daring thanks to one part Foley one part IWA Mid South running locally. My second to last show involved a shirtless backdrop into thumbtacks, a flaming table and a spear into a barbed wire-light tube table. A substantial amount of blood loss and $2.000 doctor bill later, I had 'retired' from that racket. You see, I didn't think it through when I had the idea of my 260 lb friend spearing me into the table that the objects between my body and the wood would compact once it hit THE TREE it was propped up against! The barbs embedded in my back and a sliver of the light tube broke off and stabbed me in the back. My doctor would later tell me that I was an inch away from puncturing my lung. While it makes for a cool video (especially the visual of the referee, who coincidentally was, Matt, the guy who started me on my smart mark path, carefully trying to remove the barbed wire from my back while telling me "You're fucking ripped open.") My last hardcore match would come many years later after I was married and my wife was pregnant. I had hooked up with a guy in a town called Corydon to wrestle in his Death Match Tournament. One last hurrah I thought to myself, as I announced it to the dismay of all my family and friends. It turned out not to be so bad. I as eliminated in the first round in a thumbtack bat match. I wish I hadn't done it because it did not turn out the way I wanted it to, but at least the guy had an actual ring. "If I had to choose between paying the light bill or renewing my subscription to the Observer, we'd be without lights." I remember telling my then girlfriend, now wife during dinner at AppleBee's. Of course, that wasn't the case as I would end up not only ending my subscription, but also selling all of my WON's, Torches, and Magazines on Ebay. I had a few years earlier sold my near complete collection of Coliseum Home Videos, recouping most of the money I had spent since my first day online. "I don't want to learn anything other than wrestling because I'm afraid if I do, something in my wrestling knowledge will be removed," I once said this to a friend. Looking back it was so stupid. Other than an autographed photo and t-shirt of LuFisto and the soon-to-be arriving Louisville Gardens book from Cornette, all that remains of my collection is DVD's, ISO's and MP4's. A funny story about the LuFisto 8x10. My previously mentioned extremist attitude coupled with my bi-polar disorder had me attending every show within a hundred mile radius that LuFisto appeared on. I was obsessed. I would go to her gimmick table every time and buy merchandise -- shirts, DVD's, pictures and tell her how great she was. She is a very nice person, by the way. I would even get on twitter and tweet Triple H about how they were missing out on her and send him YouTube clips. it was getting creepy so I stopped. However, I am still a fan. There are many more anecdotes I could share in my evolution as a fan, but this stream of consciousness post has went on long enough. Now, I no longer have the smark attitude that so many evolve to and stay in for the rest of their lives. I like talking to all wrestling fans, no matter their level of interest. I no longer snicker at so-called 'mark' comments my friends or family make. I am content just being a fan. I enjoy watching all the PPVs on the Network with my dad one Sunday a month, I enjoy being puzzled at my six year old son's disdain for wrestling. I am thankful for outlets like this to converse with like minded people. I love that the internet has provided me with avenues to sample wrestling from all over the world. I am a pro wrestling fan.

I'll definitely throw up a review as a I plan on watching it as soon as it arrives. I should have asked if I could just meet him or Stacy somewhere instead of having it shipped, lol.

Southern Indiana.

Anyone else getting this from Jim? I ordered mine today and he already shipped it. I should get it by Saturday at the latest as Jim only lives about 30-45 mins away from me. I'm excited about what footage is on the DVD.

Sure. You just never hear a bad word about that match so I was curious. Nobody had a bad word for the Steamer-Flair Wrestle War match for ages. It was accepted as an all-time classic, and in some circles as *the* all-time classic. Until they did have a bad word for it. It's possible that someone was critical of Wrestle War before Jewett, but he was the first I can recall knocking it down a peg. I don't think he called it a shitty match, but he didn't think it was an all-time classic, and give it one of hit working overs. And I think was met with resistance. I'm sure you've run into that with movies: universal love/praise for something, yet someone (possibly even you) wonders, "WTF?" I think you've misconstrued me. I'm not saying "how could you not like that that match?!", I'm legitimately curious as to why it fell flat. If you don't feel like explaining then it's no matter. I just feel like dissenting opinions are important in appraising a match. During my 15 years of being online, lurking or posting, on wrestling message boards, I've heard the same broken record from John Williams. The fact that people still engage him in 'debates' baffles me. While he is obviously intelligent, as I've enjoyed his analysis on AJPW and his old columns in the Torch, the fact that he, and the whole ToA crew, have this idea that being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian and shitting on everything that has ever been highly praised in wrestling somehow gives them a superior understanding of it is the epitome of annoyance. There is a reason that John has a 'no podcast" rule. There is a reason that he does not participate in or submit ballots for projects such as the DVDVR 80's or GWE or Best of "x". There is a reason why he does neither of these, but still interjects himself in the discussion and debating thereof. It's because he can't stand the thought of being scrutinized later on about his picks/placements on ballots (voting) or having to think on his feet without the benefit of quote mining old posts to illustrate his stagnate talking points or point out contradictions from other posters. (podcasting). If I'm not mistaken his profession is in some way tied to the practice of law. That explains everything you need to know about the argumentative nature of one jdw. This is the point where he would start quoting this post and pointing out that he participated in the DVDVR Best of the 90's poll for NJ, AJ and WCW. To that, I would point out that every since those were posted he's been hedging those statements with the benefit of hindsight as to not be locked into them and to not be able to be quote mined himself in the style he is so accustomed to doing. John's interactions with Parv are a prime example of and basically an encapsulation of his whole history online - A professional troll. I can imagine him as a child playing with a friend. They both have the same action figure, but John proclaims his is better simply because it is his. I can imagine him as a teenager arguing with friends that the bands he likes are better than the bands they like simply because he likes them. I can see him as an adult deciding to champion Bob Backlund ad nauseam just so that if/when popular opinion on Bob turns he can claim he lead the charge. Or maybe John isn't the evil. Maybe it's "Jewett" and" Hoback". Maybe they roam the internet for matches that are being pimped as the greatest of all time just so they can rip it apart and have John parrot their opinions on message boards just to elicit reactions. This Mt. Rushmore of contrarian asshole trolls would rip apart The Passion because "Jesus didn't sell enough." Let me close in terms that they can understand: Ever since you 'wash up on the shores of California" and started your crusade of elitism, you, "Hoback and Frank" have "tossed" every widely considered mat classic on the "proverbial woodpile." The practice of analyzing something to the point it means nothing is "getting a little long in the tooth." So break this post up into 20 different quotes so you can counterpoint each section with the one or two positive things you've said about wrestling among the hundreds of thousands of negative trolling comments on your resume so that the whole board can see that I was 'wrong." - Travis

This is exactly what I was getting at. Authority figures should appear as frequently as Jack Tunney. To do otherwise is lazy booking. Although knowing WWE's history with Survivor Series I could see them copying Rock's turn to the tee including the sharpshooter/call for the bell.

A title tournament at Survivor Series ending with the winner joining the corpor.... authority. What a fresh concept from 17 years ago. So, yeah, it's a safe bet.

Warrior is less of a candidate and more of a guy who lends credence to the nomination.of a wrestler who got a good/memorable match out of him, i.e Rude, Savage, Slaughter

TNA is going to go down in history as the promotion with the most unknown gems, because people continually write it off due to booking nonsense and for being... well, for being TNA. Years from now when we're all dead, a website like this is going to do a focuses rewatch of the best of TNA and be shocked at how great some of the stuff is, because TNA simply never ever gets pimped. I've seen everything from TNA 2002-2009 and it had a good sampling of good-very good matches with only a handful of excellent ones. I'd say about 50% of that would be anything I'd want to see again. 2010-current is something I feel like I should watch just to compare, but I cannot bring myself to do it.

Joe sounds like Cliff Compton doing the Domino gimmick.