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I think we have rules about these things just to keep some sort of consistency. For me it seemed to come up with the debate about death. It seemed that there were 3 paths suggested at the beginning of the game : 1) nobody dies (David Von Erich as world champion in 1987 ... creepy) , 2) deaths by some sort of random selection (sorry, buddy, Ric Flair just died ... also creepy) , or 3) death happens as it did in the real world (by sheer coincidence, David Von Erich is not locked into a big match at the time he dies ... weird, but workable). In the end, the decision was made : dead is dead and retired is retired. If it helps, think of it on the Final Destination principal : the wrestler might escape this particular death or retirement or catastrophe in this timeline, but ultimately, it will find them As far as pushes and angles, it seems to be a matter of particular taste. Part of the fun of it, for me, is using as the unvarnished, raw talent they are in some cases. I certainly know I have been one guilty of giving people gimmicks or pushes ahead of their real life status, but I try to keep it clear they are doing it as rookies, and pair them with more experienced hands for guidance. That is one of the reasons I have been shy about having a singles match with Scott Hall and Dan Spivey, even though the angle seems to be heading that way. In 1985, that would have been a pretty rough match.

WWC is now on the clock.

With the 4th overall pick , the AWA takes Leon "Vader" White. With the 5th overall pic, the AWA takes Brian Pillman.

The AWA sends Tony Atlas and Scott Hall to the USWA for the 1st round draft pick (5th pick overall).

AWA has the British Bulldogs on the block. Willing to offer for upper round draft picks as well as existing stars.

If one is going for a rookie, Steiner is an excellent pick. I think he definitely showed strong promise early on in his career, and is an excellent character to work with.

Setting up a separate thread so we can discuss and post reactions on the draft, keeping the draft thread exclusively for picks. So .... let's get the show on the road, shall we?

It's a pretty big draft, I'd be fine with it going additional rounds if anyone wants to.

All sounds good, have a specific kick off time in mind? Edit : didn't spot the recent posts, I am certainly good with Sunday.

One thing to remember is this : part of the appeal of draft picks is that , if a wrestler has gotten stale for a booker of they have used up all of the storyline ideas they have for them, it's a chance to add some fresh blood and have more opportunites for new stories. If a booker is just starting out, they haven't used up any of their storylines yet and so draft picks might not appeal to them as much as an established name. Just my 2 cents, feel free to ignore. I am very much hoping that kevin will stay.

Chris Youngblood is also going into this draft.

Two huge trades involving the AWA. The AWA sends Lex Luger and Brad Armstrong to the UWF for Dusty Rhodes and John Nord. The AWA sends Curt Hennig, Don Muraco and King Kong Bundy to the WWF for Jake Roberts, Chris Adams and Hercules.

There will be some announcements tomorrow that will show why I wanted to get up to date by the end of the month.

I apologize for the lack of detail, I was running way behind and wanted to get caught up before things kick into high gear for December and January.

AWA show from the Saddledome, Calgary, November 30th Mando Guerrero vs. Leo Burke Mando forced Burke to give up to a Gory Special Mike Shaw & Dave Schultz vs. The Killer Bees Shaw pinned Blair after a running splash Steven Regal vs. Tojo Yamamoto Regal trapped Tojo in the Regal Stretch for the victory AWA Southern Tag Team Title match : Badd Company © vs. The Onyx Express Tanaka thrust kicked Brickhouse into a German Suplex by Diamond to defend their belts Don Muraco vs. Ricky Steamboat In a match that was announced beforehand as Muraco’s final AWA match, Steamboat got the victory with a top rope flying cross body press AWA World Tag Team Title match : Buddy Rose & Doug Somers © vs. The British Bulldogs After about 25 minutes of wild action, the match was declared a no contest when the two teams would not stop brawling with each other

AWA show from the Winnipeg Arena, Winnipeg, November 29th (as shown on ESPN / TSN Super Cards) Hector Guerrero vs. Ed Wiskowski Hector caught Wiskowski in the Guerrero Clutch to get the pinfall Sgt. Slaughter , Cpl. Scott Hall & Pvt. Mick Foley vs. Kevin Sullivan, Dan Spivey & Rick Steiner The Varsity Club won by DQ when Foley attacked the ref out of nowhere Don Muraco vs. The Great Kabuki Kabuki nailed Muraco with the Supekick to score the victory AWA Canadian Title match : Rick Martel © vs. Jesse Barr Martel was able to block Barr’s attempt at a figure four and reverse it into a Boston Crab, forcing Barr to give up the match Tony Atlas vs. ??? Atlas’ opponent was supposed to be Greg Gagne, but after Mike Shaw’s vicious attack on Gagne left him too injured to participate. Speculation who would take his place was answered when …. Ricky Steamboat came to the ring!!! Steamboat hadn’t been seen since his former friend Paul Orndorff had given him a series of piledrivers some time ago, but now he was back and went right after Atlas. The match raged back and forth and Atlas thought he had put down the challenge when he clotheslined Steamboat out of the ring, but Steamboat caught himself on the top rope, then swiftly ascended to the top turnbuckle to come off and pin Atlas with a cross body press. The crowd exploded at the victory of their beloved favorite. AWA American Title Loser-Leaves-Town Cage Match : Lex Luger © vs. Nick Bockwinkel Luger was attempting the Human Torture Rack on Bockwinkel but Nick blocked it and countered with a roll up. Luger reversed it with his own roll up aided by a fistful of trunks, but Nick was able to kick out and send Luger face first into the cage. Nick then executed a belly to back suplex on the staggered Luger to win the match. Nick Bockwinkel is now the AWA American champion. Lex Luger must leave the AWA AWA World Title Loser-Leaves-Town Cage Match : Paul Orndorff © vs. Curt Hennig Hennig had Orndorff lined up for the Ax Lariat, but Orndorff ducked and Hennig went hard head-first into the cage. Orndorff then nailed Hennig with a nasty elbow smash to the back of the head before hitting the Piledriver to win the match. Orndorff is still the AWA World Champion. Hennig must leave the AWA.

AWA All-Star Wrestling on ESPN / TSN for November 29th The big news going into this show was the announcement that the upcoming cage matches between Paul Orndorff and Curt Hennig, as well as Lex Luger and Nick Bockwinkel, would be Loser Leaves Town stipulations Dan Spivey vs. Pvt. Mick Foley Bizarre. Foley came out looking, if anything, more down at the heels than the week before, with ragged fatigues and long hair that wouldn’t pass military muster. Spivey came out and did his usual showboating routine, even throwing his t-shirt right at Foley, but Foley just kept giving him the same, dead-eyed stare. That all changed when the bell rang, as Foley immediately charged at Spivey, bowling him over and raining punches down on the startled Varsity Club member. Spivey tried to fire back, but the crazed Foley was relentless in his attack. The ref tried to interpose himself between the two, but got a headbutt from Foley for his troubles, as did Kevin Sullivan when he tried to come in on Spivey’s behalf. This meant the end of the match, but not the action as the two kept brawling until Cpl. Scott Hall charged out and was ultimately able to calm Foley down. Killer Khan & Jerry Blackwell vs. British Steel The young British Rookies put in a game effort in trying to hold off the two monsters of the Sinister Syndicate, but ultimately it was not enough as Blackwell hit a power slam on Smiley for the win. This was not enough for them, as Killer Khan went up top to go for his dreaded flying kneedrop, but Regal was able to pull Smiley out of the ring in time. Chavo Guerrero vs. Leo Burke These two put on an incredible technical display that went back and forth , and ended when Burke was attempting to hook in the sleeper hold, but Chavo was able to block it and then reverse it into a German Suplex for the win. Both men shook hands after the match. Greg Gagne & The Killer Bees vs. Tony Atlas & The Onyx Express This heated match came to a shocking end when Mike Shaw charged out to the ring and attacked Gagne. While the Onyx Express held off the Bees, Shaw power slammed Gagne before hitting a series of running splashes that crushed him. Gagne ended up being take out of the ring on a stretcher, which puts his upcoming match in Winnipeg with Atlas into question. AWA Canadian Title match : Rick Martel © vs. Don Muraco Muraco tried to use his size and strength to overwhelm the popular Quebecois, but Martel was able to outlast the assault and hit a slingshot cross body press to pin the Hawaiian.

AWA show from the International Amphitheater, Chicago, November 23rd Cpl. Scott Hall vs. Dan Spivey Both men were counted out while brawling outside the ring Jerry Blackwell vs. Steven Regal Blackwell pinned Regal after a powerslam Hector Guerrero vs. Don Muraco Hector caught Muraco in a cross body press to get the pinfall The Great Kabuki vs. Bob Roop Kabuki pinned Roop after catching him with a superkick AWA Southern Title match : Al Perez © vs. Jesse Barr Perez caught Barr in the German Suplex to defend his belt AWA Southern Tag Title match : Badd Company © vs. The Onyx Express Diamond catapulted Koko into a jumping DDT by Tanaka to get the victory for Badd Company AWA American Title match : Lex Luger © vs. Chavo Guerrero Chavo attempted a German Suplex, but Luger elbowed his way out then hit a running forearm smash to the head to score the win

AWA show from the Mecca, Milwaukee, November 22nd (as shown on ESPN / TSN Super Cards) The Killer Bees vs. Buzz Sawyer & Dave Schultz The Bees hit the Bee Stinger on Schultz for the win Jesse Barr vs. Norman Smiley Barr got the win after a bulldog headlock Sgt. Slaughter vs. Kendo Nagasaki Slaughter nailed Kendo with the Slaughter Cannon to score the victory The Great Kabuki vs. Tojo Yamamoto Kabuki pinned Tojo after a piledriver Tony Atlas vs. Mando Guerrero Atlas caught Mando coming off the ropes with a powerslam and got the win AWA World Tag Title match : Buddy Rose & Doug Somers © vs. The British Bulldogs The champions were DQed after Rose hit the ref, but retained the titles AWA World Title Match : Paul Orndorff © vs. Nick Bockwinkel Both men went to a 60 minute time limit draw

AWA All-Star Wrestling on ESPN / TSN for November 22nd Rick Steiner vs. Cpl. Scott Hall Once again, an increasingly shaggy haired and unshaven Pvt. Mick Foley showed up at ringside and baffled everyone with his bizarre behaviour. Hall was able to hit a huge side slam on Steiner to get the win Leo Burke vs. Pat Tanaka Although Tanaka is primarily a tag wrestler, he proved he was more than able to hold his own in a singles bout with Burke. After an extremely competitive technical match, Tanaka caught Burke with a leaping forearm smash and score the pinfall. Both men shook hands after the match The Onyx Express vs. British Steel The Express pulled out every dirty trick in the book to keep the advantage over the younger team before finally executing the Spike Brainbuster on Smiley and taking the fall to end the match. Greg Gagne & The Killer Bees vs. Mike Shaw, Buzz Sawyer & Dave Schultz A back and forth match that ended when Shaw had pulled off the turnbuckle and trapped Gagne in the corner, going in for an avalanche, only for Gagne to dodge out of the way and send Shaw chest first into the exposed turnbuckle bolt. Gagne then hit a precision dropkick to score an upset pinfall on the big Shaw. Lex Luger & Don Muraco vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero The Guerreros kept the Syndicate on their toes throughout the match and Chavo landed a top rope flying somersault senton to pull out the victory and close out the show with another upset.

AWA Hercules Cortez Memorial Invitational Tag Team Tournament Night Two from the Salt Palace, Salt Lake City, November 16th (as shown on ESPN / TSN Super Cards) Tournament Quarter-Finals Buddy Rose & Doug Somers vs. The British Bulldogs The Bulldogs went at it fast and furious with Playboy After Dark, who ultimately bailed on the match and were counted out The Fabulous Freebirds vs. The Killer Bees The Freebirds spike piledrove Blair to eliminate them from the tournament Badd Company vs. The Midnight Express An incredibly exciting match that ended when Eaton countered a rollup by Diamond to get the victory for the Midnights The Road Warriors vs. Lord Humongous & Botswana Beast A hart hitting matchup with Hawk managing to catch Humongous with a top rope flying clothesline to score the win Tournament Semi-Finals The Fabulous Freebirds vs. The British Bulldogs Hayes was going for a bulldog headlock on Dynamite, but Dynamite reversed it into a belly to back suplex to earn a place in the finals The Road Warriors vs. The Midnight Express Cornette tossed the tennis racket into the ring, but it was caught by Animal. The ref tried to take it away from Animal, who then backhanded the ref which led to a DQ AWA Southern Title match : Al Perez © vs. Mike Rotundo Perez forced Rotundo to give up to an Indian Deathlock AWA American Title match : Lex Luger © vs. Nick Bockwinkel While Bockwinkel was attempting a figure four, Luger grabbed a fistful of trunks and small packaged Nick to get the tainted victory AWA Hercules Cortez Memorial Invitational Tag Team Tournament Finals : The British Bulldogs vs. The Midnight Express After an exciting, epic match, Davey Boy press slammed Dynamite onto Eaton to win the tournament

AWA Hercules Cortez Memorial Invitational Tag Team Tournament Night One from the Denver Auditorium, November 15th (as shown on ESPN / TSN Super Cards) Jacques & Armand Rougeau (courtesy of Lutte Internationale) vs. Buddy Rose & Doug Somers Rose pinned Armand after the Inside Out Backbreaker The British Bulldogs vs. Mike Rotundo & Rick Steiner Dynamite got the Flying Headbutt on Steiner for the victory The Fabulous Freebirds (courtesy of WCCW) vs. British Steel Gordy caught Regal in a belly to back suplex to get the pinfall The Onyx Express vs. The Killer Bees The Bees hit a double dropkick on Koko to advance in the tournament Badd Company vs. Buzz Sawyer & Dave Schultz Diamond rolled up Schultz with a flying sunset flip to score the win The Midnight Express (courtesy of UWF) vs. Cpl. Scott Hall & Pvt. Mick Foley Condrey executed a full nelson facebuster on Foley to move on in the tournament Lord Humongous & Botswana Beast (courtesy of Lutte Internationale) vs. Killer Khan & Jerry Blackwell A crazy, out of control brawl that only ended when Khan sprayed the green mist in the ref’s face, leading to his team being eliminated by DQ The Road Warriors (courtesy of UWF) vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero Animal caught Hector coming off the ropes with a powerslam to get the victory AWA World Title Match : Paul Orndorff © vs. Curt Hennig Orndorff won when Hennig tried to suplex him into the ring, only for Kevin Sullivan to trip him from outside the ring

Rushing this to get caught up ... AWA All-Star Wrestling on ESPN/TSN for November 15th AWA World Tag Team Title match : Buddy Rose & Doug Somers © vs. British Steel Rose and Somers were about to spike piledrive Regal when the British Bulldogs rushed the ring and attacked them, leading to a DQ win for British Steel. Playboy After Dark then immediately high tailed it from the ring Tony Atlas vs. Joe Dowdle A straight up squash match with Atlas destroying Dowdle, forcing him to give up to the Full Nelson and then press slamming him after the match had ended. The Great Kabuki vs. Kendo Nagasaki Tojo Yamamoto jumped up on the ring apron and argued with Kabuki and the ref, sliding the kendo stick in to Nagasaki when the ref wasn’t looking. But when Nagasaki tried to sneak up on Kabuki, Kabuki immediately nailed him with a superkick to get the win. Cpl. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Sullivan Sullivan had Spivey with him at ringside. Part way through the match , Pvt. Mick Foley came out at ringside, looking incredibly disheveled and started raving and cackling at Spivey, who had no idea who to react. Hall was able to hit the Corporal Punishment on Sullivan to score the victory. He was clearly distressed over the condition of Foley as he coaxed him away from the ring. AWA Southern Title match : Al Perez © vs. Killer Khan Perez was in for the fight of his life as he did his best to keep Khan under control. The match ended by DQ when Khan sprayed the green mist in his face, then head butted the ref. Khan went up to the top rope to go for his deadly flying kneedrop, but Kabuki and Badd Company charged out to the ring and rescued Perez.

AWA show from Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland , November 9th Dan Spivey vs. Paul Diamond Spivey won with the Big Leg Drop after interference by Mike Rotundo William Regal vs. Jesse Barr Regal was attempting a back suplex with Barr countered with a bulldog headlock for the victory Rick Steiner vs. Pat Tanaka Tanaka won with a rolling wheel kick Tony Atlas vs. Greg Gagne Atlas won with a running splash after interference by the rest of Onyx Express. This led to a brawl between Gagne & The Killer Bees and Onyx Express. Lex Luger & Jerry Blackwell vs. Nick Bockwinkel & Sgt. Slaughter Bockwinkel pinned Luger after a piledriver. Post-match, Bockwinkel got on the ringside mic and said that it was only a matter of time before Luger’s title would be his AWA World Tag Title match : The British Bulldogs © vs. Buddy Rose & Doug Somers Dynamite was going for a tombstone piledriver on Somers when Rose hit him from behind with a blackjack to the head and put Somers on top for the pinfall. Rose & Somers are the new AWA World Tag Team champions! AWA Southern Title Match : Al Perez © vs. Don Muraco Perez forced Muraco to give up to the Oriental Armlock

AWA show from the Cow Palace, San Francisco, November 8th (as shown on ESPN/TSN Super Cards) Mando, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Mike Shaw, Dave Schultz & Buzz Sawyer Mando pinned Sawyer with the German Suplex Cpl. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Sullivan Hall hit the Corporal Punishment for the victory. After the match, the Varsity Club attacked Pvt. Mick Foley, who was wandering at ringside, leading to a brawl with Scott Hall Al Perez & Great Kabuki vs. Don Muraco & Kendo Nagasaki Perez forced Muraco to give up to the Oriental Armlock Jerry Blackwell vs. Sgt. Slaughter Blackwell beat Sarge with an Avalanche after interference from Killer Khan AWA Southern Tag Title match : Badd Company © vs. Leo Burke & Ed Wiskowski Diamond catapulted Burke into a jumping DDT by Tanaka to successfully defend their titles AWA World Title match : Paul Orndorff © vs. Curt Hennig Hennig won by countout when he knocked Orndorff out of the ring with the Ax Lariat. Orndorff retained his title.