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When an obvious joke goes over the head of someone like that, it's really telling...

I would agree with peak Nash (the few instances that exist) being better than Hogan, Piper, and Dusty. Those guys were cartoons and I never bought into them. Dusty was a bad ass on promos but the magic was gone as soon as he stepped into the ring. One thing for Piper is that he has absolutely the best movie/acting output of any wrestler ever. The Rock disagrees with that last statement.

You've giving out cred points now ? You think I gave two fucks about whatever "cred" ? Seriously now. And by the way, when is Hogan gonna finally drop ?

To me Piper had zero great match to his resume, it's as simple as that. A bunch of really good stuff with really strong workers (Bret, Valentine, hum... that's it). And his stuff looked shitty most of the time, even in his prime. Piper was all talk and no game. As far as Nash goes, he was much better than he gets credit for. Funny that in this days of minimalistic work being approved over "movez", Kevin Nash has not been recognized as one damn efficient big man worker. If Lawler "hid an imaginary foreign object for ten minutes" routine is considered great work, Nash framing an elbow and leaning on the ropes onto his way to mega-contracts and getting himself over like a madman on Nitro should be considered state of the art too. These days, even fucking Kamala gets more credits. Just hilarious.

Yes. You'll be able to handle it or you want a Temesta ?

You're just flat out creating revisionist history now No, I'm just stating what I think of these workers. No match from Dusty, Hogan or Piper get close to the matches Nash had with Bret & Shawn in 95/96. It's that simple. Don't use big words around me.

I should have rated Kevin Nash, really. He's better than Dusty, Piper or Hogan. Talk about getting the most out of the least and still have some great matches with great workers, which is something none of the other three ever managed to do.

Isn't Jericho way past his prime anyway now ? If that if held against him, what about Flair past 92 ? (leaves the room quietly)

After your Hogan posts that is hilarious. Not really. The idea that Hogan all of sudden is a great worker is a total product of Post-Benoit-Workrate-Guilt. Jericho was considered a really good worker for most of his career, with ups and downs. The "Jericho sucks" stuff just comes from nowhere. And it's not like I'm a big fan. He ranked in 2006, so thinking he's great is not entirely new. Not entirely new, but equally asinine, especially when he gained almost ten spots.

After your Hogan posts that is hilarious. Not really. The idea that Hogan all of sudden is a great worker is a total product of Post-Benoit-Workrate-Guilt. Jericho was considered a really good worker for most of his career, with ups and downs. The "Jericho sucks" stuff just comes from nowhere. And it's not like I'm a big fan.

Avalon. Not talking about the early 70's stuff of course.

The rant for funny indeed. First time I heard "cunty man". However I stopped when Cornette talked about LU was a disgrace to pro-wrestling. I really like Corny, but he's so off-base on this. Well, and calling Sami Zayn the "ginger muslim" on the post Mania show just didn't seat well with me.

The hate on Jericho is downright comical at this point. He was #77 on my list.

Hogan represents the wholesome, moralistic, respectable facade of the 80s. Flair represents the sleazy, money hungry, decadent truth. Hogan represents the foreign policy and the jingoism, Flair represents the Yuppie culture. Hogan is Rocky IV. Flair is Wall Street. Hogan is Foreigner. Flair is Roxy Music.

Say how you really feel about Hogan, Parv.

I'll pass this time since I talked about "dumb american kids", but I usually don't appreciate essentialization. I guess you're refering to the fact Jerry Lewis was take seriously by the movie critics here. Well, as it should. Although I never understood why Jude Appatow was revered though. Anyway. Hey, don't give me too much shit about Hogan. I said before that his work later on in WCW was much better than Flair's.

No. it's been well established that Hogan kayfabe character was an asshole mistreating his friends and a whiny egomaniac bitch. There's a whole thread about this. Plus he was cheating his ass off and using shitty heel tactics (like scratching his opponent's back) despite being a colossus. It was so easy to agree with Jesse Ventura on color when he was pointing out how awful Hogan really was.

All joking aside (although I was really not), of course Hogan had incredible presence and charisma, it seems idiotic to even have to point it out. He was a huge star in Japan before the WWF. I did think the Warrior was just as over at Mania 8 though.

Hogan #75 is a complete joke. Worst pendulum effect symptom thus far. He was a decent worker at best. The Hulk-up no-selling is the most idiotic and annoying thing ever. His offense looked like shit (scratching the back of his opponent) and he was a terrible babyface. Plus, I'll say, as a pro-wrestling fan who never cared about Hogan, that most of his 80's fans were stupid american kids blinded by jingoism and triomphant Reaganian model of a society where heroes were steroid induced brain-deads fighting against "evil" foreigners while waving the flag in one hand and the bible in the other. The concept of Hulk Hogan is horrendous, that's why he was so perfect as Hollywood Hogan, because it was him being much closer to the actual truth. Fuck Terry Bolea, I didn't became a fan because of him. I was a Warrior & Savage fan.

Hiroshi Hase was my #42. Anyone who went through New Japan in the 90's understands.

Do you really think so ? I mean, Tito is a WWF guy. It's not like all the major Tito stuff wasn't available for ever. Yes. Who was talking about the Valentine series in 2006? Or the Savage series? Smarkschoice did their poll on WWF matches, and jdw did his tOA series walking through 80s WWF matches. Both contributed to Tito's higher profile. You're right.

Do you really think so ? I mean, Tito is a WWF guy. It's not like all the major Tito stuff wasn't available for ever.

And quite frankly, it is turning into a sad joke.

Rude just missed my top 100. He got dropped in favor of Onita and a bunch of others. I really love his peak,but then again, it's too short to warrant a spot, especially since he fell off a cliff before having to retire. I'm kinda surprised he gets higher than in 2006, but then again, conservative list, the mainstream US guys will do better this time around.

I had Terry Gordy at #75. Still the best Freebird by a wide margin, although Gordy was clearly not at his best yet and facing crappy opposition in Texas. Terrific worker in Japan and in Mid-South. He's above Doc, as he should. Did not rate the Dynamite Kid this time around. Too short of a peak, not as good as the guys emulating him later on (Benoit, Liger). It's not a travesty that he's making the top 100 though.