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Fiera can't be long for the world, though. He hasn't already gone, right? Sangre Chicana too, at this rate. And Black Terry. The lucha guys are doomed save for the top notch ones.

PWO is a big enough community where it wouldn't be uncommon for one group to scream the former while another screams the latter. Now if somebody is being a hypocrite.... name names!!!! I'm not even sure I'd classify someone changing their mind to be hypocritical in this scenario. When people were pleading for ballots, it was generally directed at PWO posters who had contributed to the project from the start but were having doubts about their lists or their ability to quantify "great". I don't think too many people who were saying "everyone should turn in a list" were saying it thinking that a bunch of people would submit anonymously. That being said, it doesn't matter and in my opinion has added a lot to the who reveal process. I think it has too, and we're only going to get more gloriously hostile and violent as this goes on.

Also, OJ, you are the best, total pioneer, but I love the fact that you think I'm going to be able to pronounce anything. Like, for Hokuto, my brain freezes and I suddenly think to myself "oh crap, is it Hokuto or Hokotu!" and I know the answer, but it's some kind of radio block or something. I might tell the embarrassing Misawa pronunciation story when Stacey gets to him.

One of my few big regrets from the lost podcasts with Stacey is that we spent a lot more time talking about Psicosis and also about how you can go back to watch those old AAA matches with an eye that it doesn't SEEM like a lot of people were watching them with (with Phil #1 and Phil #2 probably an exception) and Psicosis' personality shines. He strongly defied my expectations in a good way when I went back to see those in the last few years. i was sad he didn't make my list.

My money's on Kris.

I think I have 28 gone so far, including 4 of my top 50.

I wonder how high Christian can get.

I'm sure people have seen this but the second segment of the show is Joe giving Invader I the Wrestler of the Month award.

Who's this Chris Powell chap again?

I thought you were going for a Bad picture of someone. That's every Edge match right there.

I was amazed that anyone went above me on Cota since he's in there almost as a protest vote on my list (though one that I can justify). It's great that it was DEAN because that means I get double credit for Cota's placement.

I've just started to watch Ogawa because of Stacey and he's a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to seeing more.

The one HHH match that feels shorter than it actually is.

I think that the cap potentially should be there, because there are hypothetically diminishing returns on great matches unless the matches are worked from different angles or make you feel something different. (I don't entirely think that's the case for as emotional a wrestler as Kobashi mind you). I'm just stuck on the idea that great matches are a starting point, not a destination. What they do is give a better opening for what made a wrestler great. They give you richer data. I think most often, you'd be able to use that data and come up with a picture that did show more greatness than someone with far less matches, but it's not a sure thing. You might find a lot of the same qualities relative to tremendously different qualities, the sum of which end up being more valuable over a career of different performances..

There is greatness in this, even in the name of the GWE project:

Dean, Si, and myself had to be the high Cota voters and for someone who Meltzer would bitch about in 93 Observers because he had a tiny view of what lucha could be, we got him far. Not far enough to see poor OJ's head REALLY explode though.

I wouldn't suggest anyone give too much for that match in specific.

I did. Both MS-1 and Charles.It's a hell of a one-two punch.

Uh oh.

I just figured he might have a bit of bump in some people's eyes like he did in mine watching the lucha stuff that daintacash has uploaded. You would be wrong on the second part of your statement. In general, it's something of an accomplishment for a wrestler not to fall on the list given the new footage all across the board and new talent that has either come or matured in the time. We do have to keep that in mind.

Poor Emilio Charles Jr. This one hurts.

He also bumped and sold a lot more when he was a face. I've seen the match with Luger in the cage. Are there other examples like that or is your point just that he sucks and ruins every match he's in? This is my favorite hilarious Brody match. You have to feel so bad for Dos Caras here.

There's no one who did more to hurt matches than Brody. How does that rate?

I've never seen the Strongbow match. I'll try to track it down.

And you see this in what we have of him on tape, a bit of WWF heel stuff in, what, 82-83, the just snippets of 70s AWA, with maybe 1-2 full tags with Bockwinkel and the one with Patterson from 78 where I don't think i recognize what you're talking about, something like that, him teaming with Bock again in the 80s AWA for a bit, and then most of the rest is babyface stuff. Is there a match in particular that stands out? If you're going off of things you saw live, obviously, there's not a lot we can do there but to take your word for it and curse the fact that we're not lucky enough to be able to see it ourselves, but I really haven't seen any sign of what you're saying on tape, not even the ghost of it.