Guest Some Guy Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 From That Guy Who Writes That Newsletter: --Silvervision has announced this for the Undertaker 3 disc DVD set being related very soon. Undertaker vs. Hulk Hogan from 1991 Survivor Series; Undertaker vs. Yokozuna from 1994 Royal Rumble, Undertaker vs. Diesel from 1996 Wrestlemania, Undertaker vs. Mankind from Buried Alive, Undertaker vs. Mankind in Revenge of Taker, Undertaker vs. Bret Hart from SummerSlam 97 (where Michaels hit Undertaker with a chair to change the title), plus Undertaker attacking Hogan in a Funeral Parlor segment, Undertaker building a casket for Yokozuna, promos for matches with Diesel and Mankind. Disc 2 has Ground Zero vs. Michaels, Hell in a Cell vs. Michaels, Wrestlemania 14 vs. Kane, Inferno match vs. Kane, the famous Hell in a Cell vs. Mankind and King of the Ring 1999 vs. Rock, plus promo for a Michaels match and angles with Kane. Disco 3 has a first blood match from 1999 Fully Loaded with Austin, Wrestlemania 17 vs. HHH, Judgement Day 2002 vs. Hogan, No Mercy 2002 Hell in a Cell vs. Brock Lesnar, Vengeance 2003 vs. John Cena, Survivor Series 2003 Buried Alive match vs. Vince McMahon and Wrestlemania 20 vs. Kane, plus interviews on HHH, Hogan, Vince and Lesnar. Some of this stuff is really bad by the standards of a lot of the DVD matches released of late, particularly the Hogan stuff, although at least some of the Mania matches with the likes of Kamala, Bundy and Giant Gonzalez aren't there. (thanks to Richard Van Dam) I'm pretty suprised that they are including the title match from the show that Owen Hart died on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Owen dies on Over the Edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Some Guy Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 That's right, I always get those PPV names confused for some reason. ::Blushes from embarrasment:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 To me, that's an interesting match choice because I would've preferred their match at SummerSlam 98. Also would've rather had the Bret-Taker match at One Night Only as opposed to their SummerSlam 97 match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teke184 Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Officially, that Bret-Taker match doesn't exist... Bret never had a good title defense after winning the belt again in 1997. /McMahon mindset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Well, if I can ever get this PAl to NTSC conversion to work, I can prove McMahon wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Some Guy Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Hurry up, already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I wonder why do most DVDs include people's WWF/E debut matches (which were usually jobber matches) yet they don't include Taker's debut at Survivor Series '90 which was one of the best debuts they ever pulled off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Metal Maniac Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Also would've rather had the Bret-Taker match at One Night Only as opposed to their SummerSlam 97 match. Yeah, but the Summerslam match is where the storyline with HBK and 'Taker started, and they have both the Ground Zero match and HitC, so it seems like they wanted to have that whole bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I wonder why do most DVDs include people's WWF/E debut matches (which were usually jobber matches) yet they don't include Taker's debut at Survivor Series '90 which was one of the best debuts they ever pulled off. Especially considering that match is on the WWE Jukebox, so they have no objection to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 And especially considering that the Bret/DiBiase stuff in that match is some of the best work in a WWF ring that year. I actually really like that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Disc 1 Undertaker vs. Hulk Hogan from 1991 Survivor Series Undertaker vs. Yokozuna from 1994 Royal Rumble Undertaker vs. Diesel from 1996 Wrestlemania Undertaker vs. Mankind from Buried Alive Undertaker vs. Mankind in Revenge of Taker Undertaker vs. Bret Hart from SummerSlam 97 (where Michaels hit Undertaker with a chair to change the title) plus Undertaker attacking Hogan in a Funeral Parlor segment, Undertaker building a casket for Yokozuna, promos for matches with Diesel and Mankind. Disc 2 Ground Zero vs. Michaels Hell in a Cell vs. Michaels Wrestlemania 14 vs. Kane Inferno match vs. Kane the famous Hell in a Cell vs. Mankind King of the Ring 1999 vs. Rock plus promo for a Michaels match and angles with Kane. Disc 3 first blood match from 1999 Fully Loaded with Austin Wrestlemania 17 vs. HHH Judgement Day 2002 vs. Hogan No Mercy 2002 Hell in a Cell vs. Brock Lesnar Vengeance 2003 vs. John Cena Survivor Series 2003 Buried Alive match vs. Vince McMahon Wrestlemania 20 vs. Kane plus interviews on HHH, Hogan, Vince and Lesnar. Sorry, had to reorganize it to see what was reall on the list without straining my eyes. Now, after looking at the listing, I own the best matches on DVD already (HIACs) or VHS conversions from teke's masters. I don't see any need to get this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Is the Yokozuna match the casket match with Marty flying to heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 That's the one. They really should have gone all the way with it and had angels descend from the ceiling singing songs and spreading mysterious white dust all over the Providence Civic Center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Cause you know that a lot of mysterious white dust went into booking the thing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Then, they could drop Grateful Dead teddybears from the ceiling, create an indoor rainbow and broadcast the rest of the show in psychedelic acid-style trippage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 After looking at the matches again, are there any Taker matches you are upset they didn't include besides the debut? To be honest, I can't think of any other significant matches. Damn, that is pretty depressing for match quality considering how long he has been around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 I would have put the following: v Randy Orton (Wrestlemania XXI) v Kurt Angle (Smackdown Fall '03) v Jeff Hardy (Ladder match from RAW) v Rob Van Dam (Any match, really) v Bret Hart (One Night Only) The rematch where Hogan won the belt back from Taker at This Tuesday In Texas is surprisingly decent, and is much better than the SurSer match. It also baffles me that there are no Austin matches on this set, considering they had a neverending rivalry. I guess the problem they face is that they don't want a bunch of matches of Taker losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 It also baffles me that there are no Austin matches on this set, considering they had a neverending rivalry. I guess the problem they face is that they don't want a bunch of matches of Taker losing. It has the First Blood match from Fully Loaded 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bruiser Chong Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Their match at Summerslam '98 always got relatively little love, despite being a good end cap to a fun show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sass Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 No Summerslam '98? Holy fuck. That right there is the Undertaker's best match. He did *everything* he could to beat Austin down for the title but he came up short and Austin managed to pull out the win. It was like watching a great boxing match with Austin sliding out of Taker's Tombstone and hitting the Stunner on him and getting the win. It was so beautifully set-up. I mean, Taker *launched* himself through the Spanish Announcer's table to try and kill Austin for the title, which was a nice touch. Taker worked best with HBK, Hart, Austin, Vader, and Lesnar and ironically those guys were some of the best workers to come through the WWE. Who fucking cares if he loses. Hey, the Lakers lost to the Celtics in the NBA Finals and that was shown on the Lakers championship DVD too. Wrestling is too lame to think about sometimes... One point: Using 3 Tombstone piledriver's to beat Kane at Wrestlemania 14 was over kill. That killed the flow. All he should have needed was 2. Ever since then, Kane's looked like a pussy whenever he gets pinned by a single Tombstone or a shitty chokeslam. I never liked that finish. It's why I *depise* the Austin/Angle series of matches in '01 since both guys hit the Stunner and Olympic Slam on one another like 5 times each and they still kicked out. Fuck the overkill finish. It only looks good with lariats and aerial moves and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Holy fuck. That right there is the Undertaker's best match. This is NOT Undertaker's best match. There have been several listed in this thread that smoke that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sass Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 By Loss? None of those matches touch the SS '98 match. The Taker/Orton match was had the same match story except there was interference and an Orton Tombstone attempt. One Night Only is really, really good though. ONO and SS '98 are interchangable with me but I like the finish to SS '98 more. Both matches are solid leading to their finishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 No, not just by Loss. Matches that are listed on the DVD itself (the HBK and Brock HIACs) and others mentioned including the One Night Only match you just talked about and that was also already mentioned previously. The RVD series was more enjoyable on initial viewing but I haven't seen those matches since 2001. I haven't seen the Angle or Orton match that Loss mentioend and remember not liking the Hardy match. I'll have to rewatch the Mankind series. I just glanced at the ROT match the other day but didn't pay attention to it. I don't remember liking the boiler room match or buried alive. Ground Zero set up HIAC and was better than Summerslam 98. When I get the SS 97 disc next week, I'll rewatch that match and see how it compares to the Summerslam 98 match. The Cena Vengeance 2003 match gets raves but I didn't really like it. I am not disputing that SS 98 is probably one of Taker's better matches (in a career with surprisingly few good ones) but in no way is it Taker's best match which you asserted. Maybe it is Taker's best match with Austin. I could live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sass Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 No, not just by Loss. Matches that are listed on the DVD itself (the HBK and Brock HIACs) and others mentioned including the One Night Only match you just talked about and that was also already mentioned previously. I didn't like Hell In The Cell match at Bad Blood with HBK. The match just felt like an excuse for Kane to show up and look king size against Taker. Kane's debut match is what I call that match since it sure as hell didn't feel like the match was really set up for a #1 contender's match. The RVD series was more enjoyable on initial viewing but I haven't seen those matches since 2001. I didn't care for their matches and this comes from a guy who likes RVD. I haven't seen the Angle or Orton match that Loss mentioend and remember not liking the Hardy match. Watch the Orton match. The Angle and Hardy matches were throwaway to me. I'll have to rewatch the Mankind series. I just glanced at the ROT match the other day but didn't pay attention to it. I don't remember liking the boiler room match or buried alive. I didn't care for the Mankind series. Their last singles match on RAW in '99 was an embarassment for their feud. Ground Zero set up HIAC and was better than Summerslam 98. I will now need to go back and rewatch both matches. When I get the SS 97 disc next week, I'll rewatch that match and see how it compares to the Summerslam 98 match. SS '98 is damn good but the whole build-up to the match was incredible. RAW was really fun during this time. Austin/Taker vs. Kane/Mankind was just really set-up well. Russo, retarded Kane and Taker storyline crap aside, was on fire here. The Cena Vengeance 2003 match gets raves but I didn't really like it. Cena still blows as a worker today. Do you think he was any good back then? The match was Cena's best up to this point though. I am not disputing that SS 98 is probably one of Taker's better matches (in a career with surprisingly few good ones) but in no way is it Taker's best match which you asserted. Maybe it is Taker's best match with Austin. I could live with that. Then what is Taker's best match of all-time? Thankfully, he's got such a shitty volume of quality matches that not much time would need to be invested in figuring out this question. Of course, this can be subjective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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