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Show: The Interactive Interview (Courtesy of www.WrestlingEpicenter.com & "The Blaze"1260 AM)

Guest: Charlie Haas

Date: July 13, 2005

Your Hosts: Erik Clancy, Chuck D, & James Walsh

Recap By: James Walsh


He's a technical wrestling God. He's one of the most underrated wrestlers in the business today. He was one-half of the World's Greatest Tag Team. And, he was recently released by the WWE along with dozens others. He's Charlie Haas and he's the latest guest on TII!


You will not want to miss this interview as we deliver the goods as usual. Charlie talks about everything from meeting the love of his life in Jackie Gayda to the tragic death of his brother Russ to his anger towards WWE creative team members for not being able to come up with anything for him. Oh, this is one you can't afford to miss!


Be sure to listen to this show available now in archived real audio but also don't forget to tune in LIVE next week as www.WrestlingEpicenter.com reveals our brand new team member. Want a hint? They are a wrestling star that is current and quite valuable. Your jaw will hit the floor so hard you'll crack that sucker. Just tune in next week and find out!


To listen to the Charlie Haas interview, visit www.WrestlingEpicenter.com.




-- Charlie's theme song hits as we welcome Charlie to the air. Charlie says he is glad to join us.


-- Chuck starts out a little slow by asking about Charlie's childhood ambitions for wrestling. "It was a boyhood dream. It's all I've ever wanted to do," says Charlie. Charlie also mentions that he and his brother always used to pretend to be wrestlers before they ever got involved in it.


-- Chuck talks about Charlie's amateur wrestling experience and mentions that another amateur wrestler is set to return in Brock Lesnar. Charlie says, "Brock's a good guy, man. I've not heard if he's really coming back or not but if he is, it's for the best." Charlie then puts Brock over as being a great guy to work with citing he and Shelton feuding with Brock early in their run with WWE.


-- "They resent it thinking it's fake," says Charlie about the negative view amateur wrestlers have towards pro wrestling. Charlie feels that is starting to change a bit as guys like he, Shelton, and others break in. "Kurt Angle not only broke that door down, he kicked it down," says Charlie as he credits Kurt for opening the door for amateurs to move from the amateur ranks to the crazy world of pro wrestling.


-- James mentions that it truly is a different animal. Charlie agrees saying in amateur wrestling, your goal is to stay on your feet and pin your opponent. In wrestling, your goal is to entertain the fans. But, he does feel it is similar in the training aspect because you have to be in top physical condition to do either amateur or pro wrestling.


-- Erik asks about the way he entered the WWE as one of Kurt Angle's prospects. "Kurt's a good guy, man. He's like an old brother to us," says Charlie about Angle. He goes on to say that Kurt gave them various pointers and mentioned that Kurt called him after his release and felt bad. "He's not like the guy you see on TV," says Charlie. James mentions seeing Kurt at a charity event and realizing that he truly is a good guy and is every bit as good as people say he is because he can make a crowd of 20,000 scream "You Suck" at him yet be a wonderful guy when he is not in that spotlight.


-- Charlie says working with Shelton Benjamin as part of the World's Greatest Tag Team was a blast. He says their work ethic, something that Charlie talks extensively about during this interview, is very similar to that of Shelton's and as such, they worked as hard as they could to actually be the World's Greatest Tag Team.


-- "It's a shame they split us up so early," says Charlie. He feels they did not give them the opportunity to reach the level to be on par with the Dudley Boyz in the history books of tag team wrestling.


-- Erik makes a fantastic point mentioning the fact that the tag team division has been damaged by splitting the Basham Brothers and losing the Dudley Boyz. Charlie has a rather direct and honest response...


-- "I'll be honest with you. WWE... They have no idea what they're doing with the tag team division," says Charlie. He says at one time they did, citing the days of the Hardy Boyz, Edge and Christian, as well as the Dudley Boyz. He says there was a simple formula in play there. The face team, in this case the Hardy Boys, were chasing the tag titles. This formula has worked in the past with examples like the Rock & Roll Express chasing the Midnight Express or the IV Horsemen. But, today the creative team doesn't understand how to do it in Charlie's opinion.


-- "They hire these writers that haven't even ever watched wrestling, don't know anything about athleticism or playing a sport, and then they go in there and look at tag team wrestling as an opening of the card or mid card type of a draw when they could be using it to main event." Charlie goes on to say they could've made big money by having teams like he and Shelton against The Dudley Boys or the Bashams. Or, they could've had them, the All Americans, facing La Resistance at the height of the Iraq war.


-- "WWE are letting themselves down by hiring these writers that all they've done is read comic books or, if they're lucky, played chess as the most physicality they've ever had."


-- We then ask why Vince McMahon doesn't oversee the writers and explain that tag teams can draw money. "He wants yes-men. If he wanted someone that would speak up, he had that with Paul Heyman or Jim Cornette and that's why you'd see them pushed to the back."


-- Chuck asks why they are releasing all these guys, Charlie included. Charlie says, "The thing is, you're only as good as your competition and Vince bought all the competition. They tried to make competition within themselves with the different brands but it doesn't seem to be working that much."


-- Charlie explains that they are unclear about what they want to do in terms of characters. They go from straight wrestlers to guys laced in character and don't go all the way with either yet there is no in between.


-- Charlie says he misses the days when you'd be watching RAW and would flip over to Nitro or would be watching Nitro and would flip over to RAW just to see what the other was doing. He says that's what's missing and that hurts the business.


-- Charlie mentions that back in the day, guys would work for 10 to 15 years before they'd get a break. Now that there aren't really territories or other places to work, WWE expects people to just step up and be flash in the pan superstars.


-- Charlie cites examples with Triple H and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin saying they were in WCW and were let go only to go to the competition and prove WCW was wrong to let them go. "That's what's missing."


-- "That's why you pray for TNA to get something going," says Charlie. He says they have to because someone has to be competition.


-- "Maybe a bunch of us will end up working there to help out," says Charlie still on TNA. He puts over the current TNA workers saying they've worked really hard to keep the company going. He also puts over guys like Shane Douglas' backstage work saying he adds so much. He hopes TNA signs himself as well as the other guys cut from WWE as they could possibly bring it up to another level.


-- Charlie says he has learned a lot from Arn Anderson, Michael Hayes, Ricky Steamboat, Fit Finley, Gerald Brisco, and others that are current WWE agents. He says he'd love to see some of them break away from WWE and help the young talent in TNA.


-- Charlie Haas says TNA should see if Paul Heyman would jump. he says Panda should just fund it and let Paul run the company because he'd make it competition.


-- "You're married 3 weeks and then they let you go," says Charlie when asked how Jackie Gayda is responding to the release. "At least they didn't do it during the wedding or right before the wedding," he adds. "I hate to say it but it's just a bunch of BS," he says after being asked if the timing bothered him.


-- One thing about the release he is glad about is both he and Jackie were released because he knows had one been left behind, it would've been tough. James mentions Marc Mero and Sable.


-- Chuck mentions the drunken conversation he had with Rico in Las Vegas over the 4th of July holiday but mentions that even in his drunken state, he managed to pull himself together enough to have a conversation with Rico about Charlie and Jackie. Charlie says "There's another one. Everywhere you went, it was Rico, Rico. And, the WWE let him go. He's as entertaining as Blue Meanie is. Why would you let him go?"


-- James mentions you can tell how successful a gimmick is based on the number of copies you'd see on the indy scene. For example, everybody in the 80's indy scene tried to be like Hogan. There were 6,000,000 Doink the Clowns on the indy scene in the early to mid 90's. Everybody was a Michaels in the mid to late 90's. Well, there were a ton of gay characters popping up in parody of Rico. Charlie agrees with this and says perhaps all he can say, "I know."


-- Erik brings us back to the career oriented interview by asking about Wrestlemania 19 and what it was like wrestling in front of a crowd that big. "What a night," says Charlie. He puts over the fact that over 60,000 people were chanting "You Suck" at him. He also mentions a funny little bit of trivia. At Wrestlemania 19, both Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit were in that match. The next year, they were both World Champions. At Wrestlemania 20, JBL was one of their opponents. A year later, he was World Champion. He says Shelton and he used to joke that whoever they'd wrestle at Wrestlemania would end up as World Champion the next year.


-- Charlie talked to Shelton just yesterday as well as Kurt. Both guys were shocked by his release. Shelton was Charlie's best man at his wedding and offered Charlie all the help he could be it money or help getting over to Japan. So, Shelton is putting him in contact with Japan.


-- Both guys were shocked because they thought there were angles that could've been done. Charlie mentioned he wanted to be traded to RAW to feud with Shelton because that would be something. James says, "That'd make sense." Charlie says, "That's the problem. It would've made sense."


-- Charlie says the above angle would've worked but because it wasn't something the writing team, or as he calls them "the young kids," didn't come up with, they didn't want it.


-- Another angle would've been to have Charlie challenge Kurt Angle in his invitational and last the full 3 minutes. Kurt would then jump him and cut off Russ' arm bands. Charlie says that should've been done because they want real life, it doesn't get more deep or real than that.


-- Charlie said he and Chris Benoit pushed for an angle over who is the most technical wrestler on Smackdown. "Evidentially, that didn't work." Charlie also says they could've just let them go longer with he and Hardcore Holly because they were getting over as a tag team and having good matches with MNM. "It was them who dropped the ball," says Charlie referring to the WWE.


-- Charlie and Jackie met and always got along well and became close. But, when they both were on Smackdown, it just clicked. "That's one thing they can't take away, I met the woman of my dreams there."


-- Charlie reflects fondly upon his wedding day talking about all the work that went into it. He says the only sad part is, and it was nothing but good times otherwise, is that will probably be the last time he has with his friends from WWE because he never really had a chance to say goodbye.


-- James and Charlie talk a little about the ECWA promotion and how he and Christopher Daniels are two guys that really stand out that came from there in the early 2000's period. Charlie puts over ECWA was a promotion everybody in the Dele ware area needs to check out.


-- Charlie wants to work Christopher Daniels and AJ Styles. He talks more about how big he is on the prospect of going to TNA.


-- James mentions the horrible angle from Armageddon where Charlie calls both Dawn Marie and Jackie Gayda "sluts" and runs out on them only to be a face a few months later unexplained. Charlie says, "That's a writer named Dave Lagana. He came up with the idea to have me sleeping with both of them. I said, "Well, where do we go from there?" "Oh, we'll just get you away from them." There you are! There's the brilliant mind of a creative writer. Dave Lagana! Good job Dave!" Charlie then starts sounding mildly annoyed thinking back at how he should've turned heel at that point.


-- Charlie, still on the creative team, blasts them for shooting down ideas that some guys have when it is usually the guys' idea what they do that gets over. He cites John Cena and JBL being examples of guys who are just playing up who they really are on TV. He compares the WWE creative team to Lukas hiring the cast of Star Wars and then saying to the cast, "So, what role would you like to play?" He says certain guys just fit certain molds and they can't be forced to be something they're not.


-- Charlie's pretty bothered by the idea they released Dawn Marie while she's pregnant. He feels they could've waited until after she had the baby.


-- We then roll into some word associations that cannot be missed. Names like Jim Ross, Vince McMahon, Russ Haas, Jackie Gayda, and so many more are dropped and discussed in detail. You'll just have to listen at www.WrestlingEpicenter.com to hear that!


-- We close out with a fitting song by Faster Pussycat, "House of Pain." Get it?

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Not quite as angry Matt Morgan ...


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The Voice of Wrestling radio show returned live last night after taking a week off for the holiday. Chris Cash was without co-host, Big Mike, and before the show got underway, he briefly explained the reason for Mike's absence. Big Mike is no longer apart of the Voice of Wrestling radio show due to personal reasons unknown. Why does it matter? VOW is now searching for a new co-host to sit beside Chris each week. All that is required is an extensive knowledge about the business and its history, decent writing skills, and radio experience is preferred. If you have interest in becoming the new co-host for the Voice of Wrestling radio show, please email your name, phone number, and information to Chris Cash at voice[email protected]! He'll get back to you as soon as possible.


Matt Morgan was the featured guest last night and he joined Chris Cash live during the second hour (recap below). There were also a number of surprises last night as Chris Cash flew by the seam of his pants. April Hunter made an unexpected appearance on the show to answer a few questions from our listeners, The Masked Maniac of USA Pro Wrestling joined the broadcast to plug his new radio show that starts next week, plus Cash called a wrong number while trying to get Matt Morgan on the line. David Marquez, U.S. representative for the New Japan organization, was not expecting the phone call, to say the least. Kevin Kelly also made his regular appearance on the show to discuss the recent hot-topics of the week.


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Matt Morgan joined the show with a concern: "Do I have to stutter?" he asked Chris Cash jokingly. Chris informed him that it wasn't necessary and they jumped into his release and life after WWE. "Well as I'm starting to find out, there actually is life after the WWE," Matt began, "I've been doing the same thing I always do. Training my butt of in the gym, growing, lifting, eating right, running, everything that I always do to stay in shape. I've been getting phone calls out the ying-yang about possible opportunities wrestling in other places...so there is definitely life after the WWE".


Talk turned to the actual phone-call made to Matt by Johnny Ace. "I saw the roster cuts the night before I got released," he said, "and I saw Mark Jindrak and Maven were a couple of guys that had gotten released. I'm not going to lie, I was kind of shocked that Maven got released. He's brand new to the sport, he'd only been wrestling for about four years I think and I said to myself, 'You know what, I can get released just as easy as he could'. Even though I was still in the current storylines, next day I get a call and sure enough I was released. Of course I was shocked. I'd only been doing this a grand total of three years and to say that I wasn't shocked would be a lie. I was".


Chris brought up the interviews on WWE.com referring to them as "odd". Morgan laughed about the interview claiming that it wasn't like a slap-in-the-face gesture rubbing in the fact that they had just let him go. A local guy that Matt had known called him to do the interview. "He was actually empathetic [and] he kind of put it as good as I guess you could put that situation," he continued, "but I had no problem doing it because I'd only been with the company for three years. It's not like I had done something drastically bad to be released".


Through instigative measures, Chris said that he'd be pissed if he had worked his ass off for a company and then all of a sudden, they let him go. "Well unfortunately for you, you're not 6'10, 330 lbs, and look the way that I look," Matt responded, "and going with that, I'll have other opportunities coming my way. I'm the youngest giant in this business; I know for a fact other doors will open and they're already opening. I know things will take place, things will happen and most importantly, at the end of the day it's going to be the WWE's loss, not mine. Am I pissed it happened? Of course I am. Of course you don't want to be released from the company you've worked hard for, but at the same time, look what I was doing. I was stuttering! Is that what Matt Morgan's about? No."


Matt Morgan continued by saying the stuttering gimmick was a dead-end, "That's not what I'm about. One of my strengths, in fact, is cutting a good promo, so with the ability to have to sit down and stutter after everything I say, it was kind of tough". Matt explained that he's always been taught to do what he was told and to do it with the best of your ability. That's what he feels he had done with the stuttering role he was given. "I thought I did as good as I could, but to say that was my most picture-perfect gimmick to do, or idea to do, of course it's not. In order to get over in this business, you're supposed to be an element of yourself, but turned up a notch. I graduated fifth in my class in communications in college. I speak very well. I don't need to sit there and stutter. That's not Matt Morgan turned up a notch. That's not Matt Morgan on a dial at all"! Chris ended this part of the conversation by asking if someone could have made the gimmick work. Matt replied, "Probably someone that actually stutters".


Jim Cornette was brought up next and Chris asked Matt what he thought about him being released. "I ain't gonna lie," Matt said, "Jimmy is the best teacher I've had. As far as him being released, that's another loss to WWE as well because here's a guy who could sit here and cut a promo on anything in the world. In my opinion, he's the best promo man and the best stick man ever. To let him go was a mistake". Matt stated that he wasn't there in OVW to see what took place that assumedly resulted in his release, but he said that's just how Cornette is. "He's the most passionate man in this business. Look who he's produced! Look who he's put in the WWE and look who can talk with the help of Jim Cornette".


Continuing with discussion about Cornette, Cash brought up the difference in society nowadays compared to what it was like back during the Bill Watts days. He said that if Bill Watts slapped you around, it was common ground, but today it's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Chris then directed a question to Matt asking what he would do if Jim had slapped him. "Jim Cornette as of that moment would be part of a wall," Morgan stated, "but I handle things differently than the kid he apparently hit. See, I wasn't there to see the kid get smacked or hit. I don't know if Jim Cornette tried to chop him, for all I know. I'm not defending Jimmy by any means because a lot of things he does, it's a business now...it's not just wrasslin' anymore, it's a business. You can't do that anymore and I think that at the end of the day caught up to Jimmy". Matt reiterated that Jimmy was the best man to teach kids in OVW how to speak.


Chris asked Matt what he saw in his immediate future and what he wanted to do now. "I'd like to do what I set out to do from day one...to reach my potential finally. The only way to reach my potential is someone giving me the opportunity to be Matt Morgan," he continues, "to be the blue-print of this business...a 6'10, 330 lb, walking, talking, living, breathing giant. Not just a big stumbling, yelling, screaming giant or not just some big muscled-up, jacked up guy that looks good...someone that's able to put the whole kit and caboodle together. That's what I set out to from the first time I stepped foot in an OVW ring and that's what I'm going to do before it's all said and done. So, whoever's smart enough to sign me up and get me going...that's all I can tell ya".

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Just more examples of what happens when a wrestling company insists on not allowing people who know the product to work on the main shows.


It's almost like WWE went out of its way to punish the workers Cornette had the most pride in, which is the most self defeating thing I've ever heard of in wrestling.

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The storyline that he proposed about the wrist bands with Angle seems pretty entertaining. I would've liked to have seen that play out. To be honest, I'm not real high on Charlie Haas. I actually didn't think he was that good of a worker. I know he's not a good talker...much like Shelton. Still, he had a ton of room for improvement and seemed to learn quickly.


Maybe he'll go to RoH or TNA and try to get someone to do that storyline there? It's not like a ton of people will read or hear this interview anyway. I think it'd make for some good entertainment. Like he said, when it's closer to reality it makes more compelling TV.

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Haas is someone who had potential that could have been realized in the next year if they paired him with guys like Angle or Benoit or Michaels or whatever other veterans that could halfway work to bring him over the hump. He had some terrific ideas for his character as well -- it's a shame at least one of them couldn't have happened.


He will probably do very well in the indies, especially because he's going to tower over almost everyone in US indies at the moment. Working some Japanese tours will only help him improve. Hopefully, Benoit has given him some career advice.

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You know how Benoit grew up idolizing the Dynamite Kid? I think it'd be interesting to see whom all these other wrestlers grew up idolizing. It'd be interesting to see the Shawn Michaels and Bret Harts being name dropped by the same people that say The Ultimate Warrior and Hulk Hogan.


I want to see someone that grew up idolizing Rick Rude, Ted DiBiase, Curt Henning, Rick Martel and Greg Valentine. That'd be interesting to me.


I wonder what someone like Charlie Haas would say?

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Of the current roster that I know of, based on past interviews:


Edge - Barry Windham, Bret Hart, Bob Orton

Christian - Hulk Hogan

Hurricane - Ric Flair

Big Show - Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan

Chris Jericho - Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, Ric Flair, Nick Bockwinkel


I'll post more as I remember them.

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Of the current roster that I know of, based on past interviews:


Edge - Barry Windham, Bret Hart, Bob Orton

Christian - Hulk Hogan

Hurricane - Ric Flair

Big Show - Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan

Chris Jericho - Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, Ric Flair, Nick Bockwinkel


I'll post more as I remember them.

Edge -- Hulk Hogan as well. Big time fan

Jericho -- Big fan of Owen Hart and the British Bulldogs. He was even a Benoit fan!

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TNA should pick up Cornette. Heyman would not work out there. If Panda does choose Corny to be the head booker, and get a TV deal, then they have a chance at competing with the WWE. Someone needs to act as a filter for Corny though.

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TNA should pick up Cornette.  Heyman would not work out there.  If Panda does choose Corny to be the head booker, and get a TV deal, then they have a chance at competing with the WWE.  Someone needs to act as a filter for Corny though.

One roadblock though... Is Russo gone from TNA or is he on another worked absence?


If Cornette starts at TNA and Russo shows up, it'll make for interesting promos but won't help the product much.

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Russo's really gone this time. He could come back if Panda wanted to bring him back but I doubt they would if they hired Corny. He'd definitely be the first one to tell'em not to hire Russo and they'll listen if they're smart.


TNA can have great success if they just give Corny the ball and let him run with it. He can offer up a different product than the one the WWE puts out and I think that's as good a way as any to compete with the WWE on TV.

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Cornette would probably do away with the X Division pretty quickly, since it's not really his thing. Then again, that TNA environment has a weird way of turning once-competent bookers (Dutch Mantel is the biggest example I can think of) into really shitty ones. Cornette does need someone to filter out ideas, but the problem is that there's no one there who's capable of filtering those ideas. They're all either missing the wrestling background or have ulterior motives to make Jeff Jarrett the next Ric Flair. And until they can secure a TV deal, there's really no point in bringing Cornette -- or anyone else for that matter -- on board.

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Benjamin- Steamboat, Sting

Garrison Cade- HBK, Barry Windham

Chris Masters- I dunno, Power and Glory?

Are you making them up or have you heard these guys cite the other ones as influences?
Cade trained at the TWA camp ran by Michaels so I'd assume he signed up because he wanted to learn from and emulate HBK.


As for Benjamin, IGN Sports interview says


"IGN Sports: I know you said you've been watching the sport since third grade. Who were some of your favorite wrestlers growing up?


Shelton Benjamin: The two men that actually got me into wrestling were Magnum TA and Wahoo McDaniel. Other guys, I don't think I've ever known wrestling without the Four Horsemen or the Midnight Express, Rock 'N Roll Express. I grew up watching the old NWA/Crockett Promotions. To me, Ric Flair has always been the man. Hulk Hogan was just that other guy. Other guys like the Steiner Brothers, the Road Warriors, I loved as well. Sting, he was probably my all-time favorite, but that top spot always seems to alternate between him and The Undertaker.


IGN Sports: Is that why you do the Stinger Splash?


Shelton Benjamin: Oh yeah, anyone who watches me and who knows wrestling knows that I've been influenced by Sting. I've watched Sting for years, he was my childhood hero, and I just hope that no one thinks I'm stealing his moves. I just want them to know that I'm paying him a compliment by keeping his moves alive. Imitation is the biggest form of flattery, and I've loved and respected his work for years. This is my way to say thank you.


IGN Sports: So if you could wrestle any of those old legends, would Sting be your top choice?


Shelton Benjamin: I'd love to get a chance, either wrestling against Sting or teaming with him for a match. I always said if I could wrestle anyone it would be Ric Flair because I grew up hating him so much. Then just a couple of weeks ago, that dream came true. Whether people realize it or not, when he was walking down the aisle, I had goose bumps. I was like "Oh my god, I used to watch this guy annihilate people and now he's coming down to face me." I couldn't believe it.


IGN Sports: How do those chops feel?


Shelton Benjamin: I took a lot of chops and let me tell you, they hurt like hell. There's nothing like everyone in the crowd shouting "Woo" as he chops at your chest. I don't care what anyone thinks, that he's just slapping your chest or whatever, but those chops hurt. If the marks on my chest are any indication, those chops are more than just slaps. My chest is starting to throb just thinking about it. [laughs]"

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