W2BTD Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Jason Felix put these two lists together for us at Voices of Wrestling. A fun, goofy project for sure, with all roads seemingly leading to BAD NEWS BARRETT as the linear champ. Singles matches only: http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2014/03/12/who-is-the-reigning-linear-wwe-champion/ Multi-man matches included: http://whywouldanyonereadthis.com/2014/03/12/who-is-the-linear-wwe-champion-including-multi-man-matches/ Many people have spotted errors already, but all roads eventually lead back to Barrett. I know there are some hardcore historians here, so I figured some of you would enjoy this, and possibly find more breaks in the chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Gotta love any list where this guy is credited as a World Champion. http://www.guresmania.net/pics/godfather/13.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 WWE Title can not be lost by countout or disqualification (keeping with the traditional rules of pro wrestling) Well... it's not exactly "traditional". Only with the promotions that chose to do it. Similar to the "ref stop" rules. 10. Bruno Sammartino (5) – 10/2/67 11. Giant Baba – 8/7/68 (Baba won a Best of Three Falls Match 2 Falls to 1.) (Records from Japan were…spotty to say the best for this time period. Not many matches from Baba were recorded in the cagematch.net Database. Honestly, I do not considering impossible that he didn’t lose a singles match for 2-1/2 years in Japan, so I think this should be accurate.) Baba won the third fall (and match) by COR. No "title change". 17. Giant Baba (3) – 1/18/78(Won a Best of Three Falls match 2 Falls to 1) Baba won the third fall by DQ. No "title change". Of course it's moot by the item above. 18. Kintaro Oki – 4/1/78(Oki wrestled a singles match on 12/11/79, but did not wrestle one for another year. On 12/11/80, Linear Belt goes to WWF Champion Bob Backlund.) Really? He made these known International Title defenses: 05/15/80 vs Jos Le Duc 07/01/80 vs Gypsy Joe 09/20/80 vs Bill Dromo 10/04/80 vs Umanosuke Ueda 03/04/81 vs Bob Brown And this AWA Title challenge: 03/31/80 vs Nick Bockwinkel It's also somewhat strange that the title would go back to Backlund. Ohki was the Int'l champion. He "gave up" that title after the Brown match, and it (and all claims that went with it) went to the winner of the Int'l tourney that All Japan held on April 26, 1981 - April 30, 1981: http://www.puroresu.com/alljapan/results/aj198103cc.html So the "claim" to the "linear" WWWF Title went into All Japan's International Title. One would have to follow Dory's results to find if he lost a singles match before he and Brody started boucing the title around. If Dory somehow avoided a singles job, it makes its way into Jumbo's International Title reign... which would overlap with his run with the AWA Title and go to Martel. Then we'd have to find if Martel lost any non-title matches before dropping the title to Hansen, and whether any of those non-title matches would roll back into the AWA Title with Martel "winning" it back. Then we'd have to look through Hansen's time in the AWA, as he may have done some non-title jobs to Bockwinkel. If he didn't get those jobs back from Bock before leaving, then the title follows the AWA path... either off it before it got to Lawler, or then into Lawler's post-AWA title claims. Which likely would have eventually gotten in the WWF, unless someone walked out of Memphis without jobbing the title.. This is all moot since Baba didn't win the title from Bruno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Jiz Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 One thing I took away from this is despite his parameters, WWF 2000 has fewer world title changes than WCW 2000 under Russo. Isn't that insane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theonlyrice Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Heres what I posted at the F4W board: With any list like this you're going to find mistakes or things to nitpick about. Having said that... Baba didn't go undefeated from 68-70. The results from that era are sketchy, but he was definitely in the summer JWA World League so it probably goes something like:The Destroyer 3/1/69Giant Baba 3/5/69Gorilla Monsoon 4/5/69Antoni Inoki 4/16/69Gorilla Monsoon 4/25/69Kotetsu Yamamoto 5/2/69Pepper Gomez 5/16/69Antonio Inoki 5/18/69Theres a lot of missing results so that not exact, but Inoki won the World League on 5/18/69 so its a good bet he was the linear champ then.Karl Gotch 3/6/72Antonio Inoki 8/1/74Karl Gotch 8/8/74 Then Gotch retires so it ends there. If you go by Jason's rules in reverts back to Bruno on 8/8/75. Stan Hansen 4/26/76Bruno Sammartino 8/7/76Billy Graham 4/30/77Dusty Rhodes 7/19/77Billy Graham 10/24/77Ivan Putski 10/29/77Billy Graham 12/12/77Mil Mascaras 12/19/77The Destroyer 9/11/78Nick Bockwinkel 12/12/78The Crusher 2/3/80Crusher wrestles Ventura on 5/2/80 – Injures arm “surrenders” Linear belt on 5/2/81 to Bob Backlund and continues on with Felix's history until today. BUT as jdw points at Bruno never lost it to Baba in 68 so that was all for nothing. I still think its ends up the same even if it stays with Bruno though, becuase then it goes Killer Kowalski 5/31/69 Bruno Sammartino 6/14/69 Ivan Koloff 12/9/69 Bruno Sammartino 1/19/70 Crusher Verdu 6/15/70 Bruno Sammartino 7/10/70 Ivan Kollof 1/18/71 Pedro Morales 7/8/71 Stan Stasiak 8/30/71 Bobo Brazil 9/27/71 Giant Baba 2/27/73 Jack Brisco 12/9/74 and then back into the results Jason posted. The only one I'm not sure of is Bobo Brazil. Im not sure if he dropped any falls from 71-73 but I couldnt find any. I used puroresu.com historyofwwe.com crazymax.org and cagematch.net to find results so ymmv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yeah this is a valiant effort to try and do this list but there are matches that pretty much no one has results for that could change this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonsault Marvin Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Lance Storm as world champion is a horrifying thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FedEx227 Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 One thing I took away from this is despite his parameters, WWF 2000 has fewer world title changes than WCW 2000 under Russo. Isn't that insane? I forgot what month it was, maybe May or June, but the title changed 5 or 6 times in a month bouncing between Jarrett, Nash and Flair. Some in the same night. Title history is obnoxious in 2000 WCW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claw64 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Heres what I posted at the F4W board: With any list like this you're going to find mistakes or things to nitpick about. Having said that... Baba didn't go undefeated from 68-70. The results from that era are sketchy, but he was definitely in the summer JWA World League so it probably goes something like: The Destroyer 3/1/69 Giant Baba 3/5/69 Gorilla Monsoon 4/5/69 Antoni Inoki 4/16/69 Gorilla Monsoon 4/25/69 Kotetsu Yamamoto 5/2/69 Pepper Gomez 5/16/69 Antonio Inoki 5/18/69 Theres a lot of missing results so that not exact, but Inoki won the World League on 5/18/69 so its a good bet he was the linear champ then. Karl Gotch 3/6/72 Antonio Inoki 8/1/74 Karl Gotch 8/8/74 Then Gotch retires so it ends there. If you go by Jason's rules in reverts back to Bruno on 8/8/75. Stan Hansen 4/26/76 Bruno Sammartino 8/7/76 Billy Graham 4/30/77 Dusty Rhodes 7/19/77 Billy Graham 10/24/77 Ivan Putski 10/29/77 Billy Graham 12/12/77 Mil Mascaras 12/19/77 The Destroyer 9/11/78 Nick Bockwinkel 12/12/78 The Crusher 2/3/80 Crusher wrestles Ventura on 5/2/80 – Injures arm “surrenders” Linear belt on 5/2/81 to Bob Backlund and continues on with Felix's history until today. BUT as jdw points at Bruno never lost it to Baba in 68 so that was all for nothing. I still think its ends up the same even if it stays with Bruno though, becuase then it goes Killer Kowalski 5/31/69 Bruno Sammartino 6/14/69 Ivan Koloff 12/9/69 Bruno Sammartino 1/19/70 Crusher Verdu 6/15/70 Bruno Sammartino 7/10/70 Ivan Kollof 1/18/71 Pedro Morales 7/8/71 Stan Stasiak 8/30/71 Bobo Brazil 9/27/71 Giant Baba 2/27/73 Jack Brisco 12/9/74 and then back into the results Jason posted. The only one I'm not sure of is Bobo Brazil. Im not sure if he dropped any falls from 71-73 but I couldnt find any. Maybe to Firpo. 8/12/72 Detroit, MI @ Cobo Arena Pampero Firpo beat Bobo Brazil to win US Title Italian Death Match The Sheik no contest Tony Marino Mighty Igor no contest Johnny Valentine Ben Justice & The Stomper beat George Cannon & Don Kent dq Tex McKenzie beat Hans Schmidt Johnny & Jacques Rougeau beat Killer Brooks & Yoshino Sato Ramon Rougeau beat Butch Morgan Danny & Bill Miller beat Tony Parisi & Tiger Jeet Singh Benny & Billy McGuire beat Mike Vigneault & Ben Sharkey & George Guinon Magnificent Zulu beat Karl Von Stroheim Joey Russell won a 7 midget battle royal JB Psycho beat Frankie Laine Att: 11,247 Note: I think this decision was eventually reversed. 10/28/72 Detroit, MI @ Michigan State Fairgrounds Pampero Firpo beat Bobo Brazil to win US Title The Sheik ddq Tex McKenzie Killer Tim Brooks beat JB Psycho dq Johnny Valentine beat Tony Marino Al Costello & Don Kent & Kurt Von Hess & Karl Von Shotz drew Danny Miller & Ben Justice & The Stomper & Haystack Calhoun Darling Dagmar beat Diamond Lil Jess Ortega drew Magnificent Zulu Jerry Graham beat Bob Harmon Lucille DuPree beat Kay Casey Hans Schmidt drew Tony Parisi att: 5,625 Bobo regains the title here. 12/23/72 Detroit, MI @ Cobo Arena Bobo Brazil beat Pampero Firpo to win US Title Tex McKenzie beat Mitsu Arakawa The Sheik no contest Johnny Valentine Tony Marino beat Killer Tim Brooks dq Sweet Daddy Siki no contest Mighty Igor Billy Red Lyons beat Gary Fulton Ben Justice & The Stomper beat Kurt Von Hess & Frank Diamond Dan Miller beat Baron Scicluna Tiger Jeet Singh & Haystacks Calhoun beat Dr. Jerry Graham & Zebra Kid Hans Schmidt drew Sonny King JB Psycho & Magnificent Zulu beat The Medics Att. 9,183 Then loses it quickly to the Sheik. 12/30/72 Detroit The Sheik beat Bobo Brazil to win US Title Pampero Firpo beat Haystacks Calhoun dq Tex McKenzie & Johnny Valentine beat Kurt Von Hess & Karl Von Shotz Tony Marino & Chief Jay Strongbow beat Killer Tim Brooks & Eddie Creachman George Steele beat Hank James Ben Justice Drew Dr. Jerry Graham Al Costello & Don Kent beat Magnificent Zulu & Rick Luka Mighty Igor beat Mike Loren dq Lucille Dupre beat Tanya West dq JB Psycho beat Jess Ortega Farmer Jerome & Sonny Boy Hayes beat Frenchy Lamont & Pee wee Adams Att. 12,423 Then regains it. 1/13/73 Detroit, MI @ Cobo Arena Cage Match Bobo Brazil beat The Sheik to win US Title Pampero Firpo beat Haystack Calhoun Killer Tim Brooks drew Tony Marino Johnny Valentine & Tex McKenzie no contest Kurt Von Hess & Karl Von Shotz George Steele beat Dan Miller Kabooki beat Ben Justice Tiger Jeet Singh beat Sweet Daddy Siki Dick Bulldog Brower beat Ray Elmore JB Psycho beat Dr. Jerry Graham Mike Loren beat Dr. Beach Lou Klein beat Rick Luka Jess Ortega beat Jim Lancaster Att. 12,643 Then loses it back 1/27/73 Detroit, MI @ Cobo Arena Special referee Johnny Valentine The Sheik beat Bobo Brazil to regain US Title Stretcher Death Match Tony Marino beat Killer Tim Brooks Johnny Valentine & Tex McKenzie & Lord Athol Layton beat Kurt Von Hess & Karl Von Shotz & Pampero Firpo JB Psycho beat George Steele Tiger Jeet Singh & Dan Miller beat Hans Schmidt & Zebra Kid Bulldog Brower beat Magnificent Zulu Sweet Daddy Siki beat Ben Justice Kabooki beat Rick O'Toole Mike Loren beat Rick Luka Big Bill Miller & Lou Klein beat the Medics Dr. Jerry Graham beat Dr. Beach Att: 12,346 Another loss to Sheik here. 2/5/73 Dayton, OH The Sheik beat Bobo Brazil Luis Martinez & Fred Curry beat Kurt Von Hess & Karl Von Shotz COR Jerry Graham beat Magnificent Zulu Lou Klein beat Dr Beech Here's an odd one. Ben Justice. Not sure I believe that. 8/4/73 Detroit, MI @ Cobo Arena Johnny Valentine beat Pampero Firpo dq Ben Justice beat Bobo Brazil The Mongols beat Wild Bull Curry & Tony Marino Mighty Igor beat Dr. Jerry Graham Tiger Jeet Singh beat Baron Scicluna Chief Jay Strongbow beat Jim Lancaster Bill Miller beat Bobby Blaine Tony Marino beat Cliff Lilly Ali Baba vs JB Psycho Lou Klein beat Dr Beech Another loss to Sheik. 12/1/73 Detroit, MI @ Cobo Arena US Champion The Sheik beat Bobo Brazil Fred Curry & Tony Marino beat Ben Justice & Killer Tim Brooks dq Johnny Valentine beat Pampero Firpo dq Mighty Igor beat Hans Schmidt Tony Parisi & Dom Denucci beat Eric The Red & Kabooki Ray Rougeau beat Jerry Graham Dan Miller drew Frankie Laine Hartford Love & Reginald Love beat Bobby Blaine & Magnificent Zulu Att 7,780 I'll check Toronto later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 nice to see Clawmaster here with his results goodness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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