KrisZ Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Kris & David are joined by Al Getz (Somehow We Manage) to discuss the week that was March 21-28, 1988. We go over “Super Sunday” talking about Wrestlemania IV vs. Clash of the Champions I and what we would’ve done different on the shows and what the thought processes was at the time. We talk about Bruiser Brody’s last big Japan match, Eddie Gilbert dominating the South, Magnum T.A. and his baseball bat, and lots more……LISTEN NOW!!!!!! 0:00:00 WWF 1:15:41 Int’l: AJPW, Stampede, & Mexico 1:44:31 USA East: Continental & Memphis 2:33:06 USA West: WCCW, AWA, & Portland; Potpourri 3:12:25 Jim Crockett Promotions http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-36-march-21-28-1988-with-al-getz/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbenn123 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Listened to the first hour or so. Good stuff so far. Bix mentioned that they could have done a finish between Andre and Dibiase at WM4 where Dibiase bribed Andre, and he laid down for him. Was he advocating for a Hogan/Nash finger poke of doom angle in 1988? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Listened to the first hour or so. Good stuff so far. Bix mentioned that they could have done a finish between Andre and Dibiase at WM4 where Dibiase bribed Andre, and he laid down for him. Was he advocating for a Hogan/Nash finger poke of doom angle in 1988? Kind of. We were trying to parse how the originally planned ending, even if DiBiase beat Hogan w/ a garden variety screw job, feels like it cools of DiBiase too much relative to the heat he had coming out of The Main Event. So if you have Andre beat Hogan (could be a DQ or whatever) and go to the finals, it would be completely in like w/ the established storyline (both up to that point and even on the final version of WM4 that actually happened) that Andre was being paid a fortune to keep DiBiase as his #1 priority. So if DiBiase outsmarts Tunney by finding a way to buy the title after his first try failed (because Andre technically forfeited the title), it would make a decent amount of sense for Andre to lie down for DiBiase. The problem with the finger poke of doom is that it made no sense. We're never given a reason why Nash would lie down for Hogan. But Michaels discarding his secondary belt for his best friend made enough sense. Andre continuing his established pattern of behavior would make even more sense and DiBiase would be heated back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 One other thing going against WM4...I've been reading Brian Bayless' reviews of WWF syndie television over on Scott Keith's blog. And man oh man, is WWF television leading up to this show dull. I don't mean "dull" in comparison to what we were getting on Monday nights a decade later, I mean dull in comparison to the same squash-centric nature of television leading up to WrestleMania III. WM3 had angles up and down the card with every single match on the show serving some sort of purpose. Going into 4, we had exactly *3* angles going on: the Hogan/Andre/DiBiase title situation, the Islanders' dognapping of Matilda, and Hercules choking out Warrior with the chain. That's it--three honest-to-God feuds going in, only one of which was hot. Everything else on TV consisted of one guy in a tournament working a squash match, with his opponent cutting a quick insert promo on him. That was your television for two months. It may not have saved the show, but it sure seems like it would have been better served to move up the Cheryl Roberts angle by a month and run it before WM, and run one or two other angles to go with other first-round matches. As it was, it seems as if the WWF was expecting the tournament to get over just because it was a tournament for the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElHijodeGorgeousGeorge Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Being someone that wasn't even alive when the show aired, what was this like as a kid fan to see such a weak build for Mania 4? I've always wondered because when you see the show without any context, it seemed like there was this grand road that led them to these matches, no matter how awful they may have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 i haven't downloaded this yet, but this is interesting to read because it very much mirrors WM6. that show had more angles in the midcard, but one of the big takeaways from the 1990 yearbook was that the main-event build was TERRIBLE. there, it was because you had a babyface match with both guys acting like heels on promos, but the general point is similar: nobody remembers the weekly TV, so this has been lost to popular history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Being someone that wasn't even alive when the show aired, what was this like as a kid fan to see such a weak build for Mania 4? I've always wondered because when you see the show without any context, it seemed like there was this grand road that led them to these matches, no matter how awful they may have been. Like was said earlier it seemed like they had all of their eggs in the Hogan/Andre/DiBiase basket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKWildcat Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Kris and Bix knows I love all the shows, but I could listen to the 80s ones every week Just a couple of notes: 1) I've heard the Lance/Muppet show analogy used before and I love it 2) The Kerry comment...holy shit. Im shocked he didn't say anything about Lawler though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Listening to the reading of Meltzer shooting all over Mania, MAN, do I miss those days! It seems like back in the days where the sheets were more underground, Meltzer, Keller, etc. would pull no punches in skewering a show & very much seemed to lead their followers along and/or parrot the thoughts of a majority of hardcore fans. Unfortunately now I feel that even if they felt the same way they have to be more PC about it. Now all we hear is them trying to explain what the company is thinking, trying to explain the business reasons why things are done a certain way, or trying to tiptoe around the issues to protect their contacts & relations with those involved. This rant is every bit as bad (or worse) than a lot of burials of PPVs & creative done by online fans now but very few have the balls to just come right out & say it anymore. I think I prefer this approach to the apologist approach & I'd kind of forgotten it used to be that way in the formative days of the hardcore fan community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingPower Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I didn't have a problem with them shooting the Tully/TA bat angle the night before the Clash. To me it kind of added to the sports presentation of it all, like there was always something going on regardless of its timing. In 1989 they had Funk doing angles on TV with Sting and I think one with Steamboat while he was feuding with Flair. At that time given that everyone seemed to talk about other angles on the show to get over the gravity of them, I didn't find it that unusual. Certainly everyone knew there was still heat with Tully vs. TA & Dusty. Once I got smartened up though it did kind of bug me that they basically booked themselves into screwing over their Crockett Cup tourney lineup like every year it occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 It was the timing more than anything else to me though......it took heat away from the Clash.....hell if you were going to do it......do it there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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