kevinmcfl Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 Here is a way-to-early list of rookies for 1988. I admit that we are getting out of my comfort zone by 1988 and I need some help. Some of these wrestlers might be already in our game but under different names. Also, wrestlers coming from other countries and wrestling 10 matches in either the U.S. or Canada will be part of this rookie class. If you know of anyone who should be in, let us know. 1988 ROOKIES Al Farat Bert Centeno Bobby Starr Chaz Taylor Chuck Williams (Rockin Rebel) DC Drake Dave Power Dennis Allen Johnny Weiss (Johnny Hotbody) Larry Power Mike Samson Mongolian Mauler Ricky Rice Solomon Grundy Steve Gillespie Steve Ray Sunny Beach Tony Stetson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted May 22, 2022 Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 Wondering about the Jason Jordan on this list. There is the Jason Jordan who was Chad Gable's partner who was born in 1988. Is this some other Jason Jordan? I am unable to find a record of any other wrestler by that name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcfl Posted May 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2022 Thanks Rain. He should be removed. The web search I did about wrestlers who debuted in 1988 incorrectly listed the Jason Jordon you mentioned who was born in 1988. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcfl Posted June 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 1988 Rookie Draft Order The draft will be Thanksgiving Week. The order was chosen by a number generator. ROUND 1 1. Wonder Woman Wrestling: Cheryl Ruso 2. PCW: Dustin Rhodes 3. NWA (traded to PCW): Gangrel 4. WCW (Traded to PCW): Gary Albright 5. AWA (Traded to PCW): Brian Lee 6. WWF (Traded to PCW): Del Wilkes 7. Mid-South Revolution (Traded to UWF) (Traded to PCW): Mike Enos 8. UWF (Traded to PCW): Watne Bloom 9. Twin States (Trade to Revolution) (Traded to PCW): Scotty the Body ROUND 2 1. Twin States (Traded to Revolution) (Traded to Pacific Coast Wrestling): Reno Riggans 2. UWF (Traded to PCW): Jerry Lynn 3. Mid-South Revolution (Traded to UWF) (Traded to PCW): George Hines 4. WCW- Diamond Dallas Page (Can't be used as a wrestler until 1991) 5. NWA-Johnny Grunge 6. PCW-Bob Holly 7. WWW-Magnificent Mimi ROUND 3 1. Wonder Woman Wrestling- Roxy Astor 2. PCW-Crash Holly 3. NWA-Tom Brandi 4. WCW- Anthony Durante 5. Mid-South Revolution- Dennis Knight 6. Twin States: Jamie Dundee ROUND 4 1. Twin States: Brian Lawler 2. Mid-South Revolution: Big Money Marcus 3. WCW: Gary Wolfe 4. NWA: Bart Sawyer 5. PCW: Don Callis Round 5 1. PCW: Louis Mucciolo/Louie Spiccoli. 2. WCW: Zeus 4. Mid-South Revolution: Brad Anderson Round 6 1. Mid-South: Terry Power 2. WCW: Derrick Dukes 3. PCW: Rod Price Round 7 1. PCW: Tommy Cairo 2. Mid-South: Bobby Blaze Round 8: 1. Mid-South: Lou Perez 2. PCW Round 9: 1. PCW 2. Mid-South *** Wonder Woman Wrestling has been added to the regular draft as there are a few females on the list that others may may be interested in. If you do chose a female during the draft, I ask that you share that wrestler with Scarlet as his choices are limited. - ALL DRAFT PICKS CAN BE TRADED - DRAFT WILL BE A SNAKE DRAFT - DRAFT WILL LAST UNTIL LAST PERSON DROPS OUT - ALL ROSTERS MUST BE AT THE CAP BY JAN 1. - DRAFTED WRESTLERS CAN NOT BE USED UNTIL JAN 1. - ANYONE WHO JOINS DAWN OF WAR BETWEEN NOW AND THE DRAFT, WILL BE ADDED TO THE END OF THE 1st ROUND. - PLEASE CHECK THE LIST OF WRESTLERS AND MANAGERS TO SEE IF ANYONE NEEDS TO BE ADDED OR IS ALREADY IN THE GAME UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 Have spotted two more for the draft : Brian Lee and Del Wilkes both made their debut in 1988. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcfl Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 Wow, just found another big one : Diamond Dallas Page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcfl Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 From the information I found, DDP did not wrestle until 1991. He did act as a manager in 1988. He can be used as a manager from 1988-1990 and then as a wrestler in 1991. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 For some reason, I had recalled reading somewhere that he started as a wrestler, switched over to managing early on after an injury, then switched back to managing in 1991. I have searched and found no verifiable evidence or matches from this. Yes, he certainly should be available as a manager, he was managing Badd Company at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcfl Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 According to Cagematch. Wrestlingdata.com and Wikipedia his first match came in 1991. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 Yeah, for all I know, this could be totally kayfabe. Or just my memory playing tricks on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneJackson95 Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 The story I've always heard was....he trained briefly in the early 80's, had one match and got hurt...left the business as quickly as he got in....then rejoined as strictly a manager in '88.....then a few years later he got retrained and started actually wrestling after being told he was "too big to be a manager" towards the end of his time managing the Diamond Studd...which was very late '91, early '92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneJackson95 Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 Maybe I'm overlooking him on somebody's roster but Bob Holly was wrestling through most of 1987 for WWO in Alabama. (You can verify it on YouTube on the Armstrongs Alley channel) So if he's not currently active he would be a good addition to the Rookie Draft list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcfl Posted September 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 He is in. I will add him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 Oooh, good catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 Not nearly as significant, but I do see a 1988 debut for William Jones, AKA Chilly Willy of the last years of ECW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 hours ago, rainmakerrtv said: Not nearly as significant, but I do see a 1988 debut for William Jones, AKA Chilly Willy of the last years of ECW. That listing has to be a mistake. He would have only been 13 in 1988. Probably supposed to be 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted September 12, 2022 Report Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Blehschmidt said: That listing has to be a mistake. He would have only been 13 in 1988. Probably supposed to be 1998. Whoah, also good catch. Yeah, you are right, math doesn't add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted September 20, 2022 Report Share Posted September 20, 2022 I see that future occasional ECW wrestler and manager Damien Kane would have been active during this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted September 20, 2022 Report Share Posted September 20, 2022 So was John Rechner, AKA Abudda Dein/Singh, Boo Bradley, Balls Mahoney, Xanta Klaus, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted September 20, 2022 Report Share Posted September 20, 2022 Adding to the list of early ECW guys, I see also as active DC Drake, Tough Tony Stetson, and Johnny Rotten AKA Johnny Grunge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted September 20, 2022 Report Share Posted September 20, 2022 Last one for the night : Phil Theis, AKA Damien DeMento/Mondo Kleen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcfl Posted September 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2022 Damien Kane is in. DC Drake is in Tony Stetson is in Johnny Grunge is in Both Cagematch and Wrestlingdata have Damien DeMento as starting in 1990 and don't have any matches listed before that. While I do see that wrestlingdata says Balls Mahoney debut in 1987, I see no evidence of matches until 1992 on either website. He would also only be 15 in January 1988. I vote to keep him out until 1992 but will listen to others here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted September 20, 2022 Report Share Posted September 20, 2022 Was trying to get more information on DeMento and Mahoney to confirm but my computer was being stupid and couldn't bring the web pages up. Looking at early ECW rosters and east coast indies and have a few more, going by the Wikipedia debut dates, if they don't qualify for other reasons I understand. Tom Brandi, Bill Demott, both members of the Cream Team (Dino Casanova and Rip Sawyer), Chris Hamrick, Dr. Luther, Steve Gillespie/Dr. Hannibal Edit : OK, DeMott is a bit of a strange case. Wikipedia has his debut as 1988, where others have it as 1990. Here is the direct quote from the Wikipedia page. DeMott was trained by Johnny Rodz in his New York City wrestling school beginning in 1988. From there he began working at small independent promotions using the name Big Sweet Williams. In 1992 DeMott began wrestling for the Americas Wrestling Federation and started using the name Crash the Terminator. A bit of a grey area, can't find any matches in Cagematch from that early period. Any judges ruling on this is fine with me, just want to give people options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcfl Posted September 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2022 Great job Rain. We have been using Wrestlingdata.com and cagematch as they do list recorded matches. I think with only a few of us as writers, we would be considered the major promotions of the time and we should be looking to take the best. I would prefer to wait until we have actual match statistics from either of these two sites to enter them into Dawn of War but I will listen to majority rules here. According to those sites Tom Brandi is in Dino Casanova isn't in until 1991 Rip Sawyer not in until 1991 Chris Hamrick not in until 1990 Dr. Luther, while it says he debuted in 1988, no matches shown until 1989, would rather wait Steve Gillespie is in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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