Calling six man tags "Trios" OUTSIDE the context of Lucha

[David Mantell]

13 hours ago, WingedEagle said:

Maybe in wrestling. Its a quite common term in...the world. Like a "pair" for 2. A "trio" for 3. Were you ever a kid? Seen a menu? I'm all for dying on hills but please make sure said hill is actually on solid ground. By which I mean dirt, rock, a foundation upon which a pair of legs can stand.

I'll stick to my guns as it seems to be "Trios" with an S as a name for.a six man tag.

"A trios" wtf ???

[PeteF3]

Yes, there are two trios competing against each other. Just like how in tennis you have "a doubles match."

[PeteF3]

"A sales rep." "A systems analyst." "A Yankees game." "A savings account." "An arms race." "A clothes hanger." Plural noun adjuncts are allowed and nobody bats an eyelash at 99.9% of them.

[strobogo]

Wrestling is just more serious than those things

[PeteF3]

Also, lucha doesn't usually use "trio"/"trios" as a modifier at all. Tag team matches themselves are "revelos australianos" whether it's two to a side or three.

[David Mantell]

7 hours ago, PeteF3 said:

Also, lucha doesn't usually use "trio"/"trios" as a modifier at all. Tag team matches themselves are "revelos australianos" whether it's two to a side or three.

Then where do these people get "trios" from?

[ohtani's jacket]

1 hour ago, David Mantell said:

Then where do these people get "trios" from?

Well, technically Relevos australianos are trios matches under captain's rules, but I don't think too many people pay attention to that stipulation. A three person team is a trio, and when they compete in a match with another trio, they have a trios match. 

[David Mantell]

In lucha, yes.

It gets annoying when people start calling six man tags (aka triple tags aka Catch a Six) trios in every other context.

On the French Catch thread I like to use the French term Manchette for a forearm smash. But if I start using the term Manchette for, say, Title Santana's flying forearm smash (the one Jesse Ventura said Tito learned in the Mexican Football League or MFL), that would just be showing off and silly.

[ohtani's jacket]

1 minute ago, David Mantell said:

In lucha, yes.

It gets annoying when people start calling six man tags (aka triple tags aka Catch a Six) trios in every other context.

On the French Catch thread I like to use the French term Manchette for a forearm smash. But if I start using the term Manchette for, say, Title Santana's flying forearm smash (the one Jesse Ventura said Titom learned in the Mexican Football League or MFK), that would just be showing off.

It's just a loan word. We use English words all the time to describe things that have their own names in overseas wrestling territories. Other countries use their own terms to describe American wrestling. Do you get upset when the French refer to American wrestling as Catch? 

[David Mantell]

21 minutes ago, ohtani's jacket said:

It's just a loan word. We use English words all the time to describe things that have their own names in overseas wrestling territories. Other countries use their own terms to describe American wrestling. Do you get upset when the French refer to American wrestling as Catch? 

No. That's just the accepted French term for catch-as-catch-can based pro wrestling and the WWF decided to go along with this in the 80s (arguably Roland Barthes' had already set the precedent when he wrote of "le catch Americain" in Mythologies.)

I don't have a problem with Mexicans, especially if they are talking in Spanish, calling six man tags Trios.  When neither the speaker nor the context have any direct relationship to Mexican wrestling culture then it just becomes an annoying hipper-than-thou affection.

[Blehschmidt]

[David Mantell]

An example of the problem.

Notorious smug git Aaron Nix on commentary here, sounding like his usual bad cross between Alex Shane and  Ben Elton, says at 4min 34 secs in,  "We have a Trios Match - suck it up. Internet, it's a Trios match in the modern era!". Aggravating, really. Telling his viewers what civilised modern people like him call it.

 

[WingedEagle]

1 hour ago, David Mantell said:

In lucha, yes.

It gets annoying when people start calling six man tags (aka triple tags aka Catch a Six) trios in every other context.

On the French Catch thread I like to use the French term Manchette for a forearm smash. But if I start using the term Manchette for, say, Title Santana's flying forearm smash (the one Jesse Ventura said Tito learned in the Mexican Football League or MFL), that would just be showing off and silly.

Some kids in the class may color outside of your arbitrarily drawn lines. Breathe in. Breathe out. Its all going to be okay.

[PeteF3]

5 hours ago, David Mantell said:

Then where do these people get "trios" from?

A three-man team can be called a trio. Trios titles are called the Campeones Mundial de Trios. The matches themselves are not called "trios matches."

"Manchette" is not an English word. "Trio" is. Yes, it's a loanword--the entire fucking English language consists of loanwords. And it's a basic one. This isn't like referring to The Simpsons as anime even though that's not wrong and is how a native Japanese-speaker, who doesn't differentiate between western animation and Japanese, might refer to it. It would sound weird to western ears.

A "trios match" makes perfect sense in almost any language. Were the Kingston Trio or Dolly Parton/Emmylou Harris/Linda Ronstadt being smug and aggravating for daring to use the word? Do you get this frazzled and confused when someone refers to Cream or ZZ Top as a power trio? Is that also being pretentious and snooty?

[David Mantell]

4 hours ago, PeteF3 said:

The matches themselves are not called "trios matches."

Then why are people like Aaron Nix, Excalibur and Mikes Tenay & Quackenbush pointedly using that term?

[Blehschmidt]

We may as well stop. This guy just wants us to say he is right. He obviously thinks that writing 10,000 word posts multiple times a day in the French and British wrestling posts makes him the smartest guy here and makes his opinions more relevant and correct than ours.

We get it dude. Modern wrestling sucks, Cornette rules, outlaw mud shows, blah, blah, blah. Can you please just stick to being pretentious in the two threads that you spam multiple times a day so it's easier to ignore you?

[WingedEagle]

3 minutes ago, Blehschmidt said:

We may as well stop. This guy just wants us to say he is right. He obviously thinks that writing 10,000 word posts multiple times a day in the French and British wrestling posts makes him the smartest guy here and makes his opinions more relevant and correct than ours.

We get it dude. Modern wrestling sucks, Cornette rules, outlaw mud shows, blah, blah, blah. Can you please just stick to being pretentious in the two threads that you spam multiple times a day so it's easier to ignore you?

Amen.

[PeteF3]

6 hours ago, David Mantell said:

Then why are people like Aaron Nix, Excalibur and Mikes Tenay & Quackenbush pointedly using that term?

Who gives a fuck? As suggested earlier, maybe they prefer the gender-neutral version. Maybe they think it rolls off the tongue better. Maybe they do it in a concerted effort to annoy you, the (sometimes) viewer. (I actually don't ever remember Tenay using the term in WCW, though I never watched much TNA.)

We can hammer those guys for using the term "tornado tag team match" or the misuse of the term "one fall to a finish." The use of "trios" as a descriptive term is so far down the list of things even within the specific topic of wrestling commentary that I give a shit about that it can't be measured.