Loss Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Do you think the following guys are capable of carrying the ball on top for an extended period of time? I don't mean a short run with the belt, I mean a long run where they're the top star in the company. Do you think business would go up or down with these people in that position if it happened, let's say, on the next PPV? Rey Misterio Christian Edge Shelton Benjamin Also, are there any one-time champs that you think have another good run in them that fans would respond properly to? Chris Benoit Chris Jericho Eddy Guerrero Kane Big Show Do you think the product would get better or worse, both in quality and in terms of box office, if they put both belts on Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle tomorrow? Just a variety of things to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Rey Misterio - Yes, I think Rey could be a world champ and be a successful world champ as long as he was booked properly. He would have to develop a killer submission that people sold for. The announcers would have to put him over huge. He would have to be a killer... someone people respected becasue you never knew how he was going tobeat you. He has all the intangibles. Now, he just needs company support and writing. Christian- No. To this day, I have never been impressed with Christian in the ring. I don't see him bringing in new fans. I don't know how much is interviews can be improved upon since he is great on the mic, but he has also never been in the position where he has been the reason to go to the show or buy the PPV. Could he really carry a top-dog program? I don't have any faith in him. Edge- I think the WWE is nuts for trying to put this guy in a top-dog program. Like his "brother", I don;t have enough faith in him to carry the company. He also doesn't possess the mic skills that Christian has so he would be at an even bigger disadvantage. Shelton Benjamin- I think they could put the belt on him but I don't think they should at this time. I like to see Shelton work but I don't have any emotional interest in him. They really need to build him up with a defining feud (Jericho is a good start) before you put the title on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter's Torn Quad Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Do you think the following guys are capable of carrying the ball on top for an extended period of time? I don't mean a short run with the belt, I mean a long run where they're the top star in the company. Do you think business would go up or down with these people in that position if it happened, let's say, on the next PPV? Rey Misterio: What goodhelmet said. Christian: He'd need a strong push to set it up, but I think he could carry the load for a sustained push as the top guy. Edge: I don't know that he has the edge to be the top heel. Maybe the potential Lita heel turn will give him that edge. Shelton Benjamin: Give him a little more of a character, and I have zero doubt that Shelton could carry the company. Also, are there any one-time champs that you think have another good run in them that fans would respond properly to? Chris Benoit: Without a doubt. Has the talent to outwork whatever charisma issues that some tag him has having. Chris Jericho: Given a strong push, I think he could make a good transitional champion, but I don't know that he could have a real long run. Eddy Guerrero: Without a doubt. Could easily carry the company. Kane: At best, he'd be a short term champion. Doesn't have the right character to carry a promotion for any length of time. Big Show: No. Do you think the product would get better or worse, both in quality and in terms of box office, if they put both belts on Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Rey Misterio - yes, I think WCW made a big mistake by not giving him the World Title shortly after he lost the mask in 99. I think it would've created huge buzz if he had beaten Flair on Nitro. As for the WWF he's better than most of the options and he'd be a great transition champ for a monster heel. Christian - no as a heel, maybe as a face, he doesn't have the moveset to be the top heel in the company. He's just too boring. If they turned him face he could pull it off if he kept this character Edge - yes, only a short reign though. I don't think he's interesting enough and they've jobbed him too much for him to be a convincing long term guy. Shelton Benjamin - yes, he's been the Raw MVP inring for a few months now and the fans are into him. Chris Benoit - yes, he's over and they haven't done too much damage to the guy yet. Chris Jericho - no, he's been damaged beyond repair in the WWF and the fans just won't buy the guy as a main event guy. Eddy Guerrero - maybe, I think he could work as champion again but I don't think they have the right guys on Smackdown to make him look credible. Kane - no, he's even more damaged than Jericho. His usefulness was pretty much over after the Shane McMahon feud and then he got stuck with the rapist stuff last year. Big Show - no, he gets hurt too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Rey Misterio: What Loss said. What did Loss say? He hasn't responded to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter's Torn Quad Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Rey Misterio: What Loss said. What did Loss say? He hasn't responded to this thread. I don't know what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paranoid Nudnik Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 A little piece of me, will DIE, if Rey Mysterio ever becomes World Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bruiser Chong Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Why, because he's not some freak of nature who's next to immobile in the ring and features a limited, uninspired moveset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Rey Misterio - Certainly not. It'd be laughable. He looks like a five year old when next to other cruisers. Christian - He wouldn't be the best wrestling champion but he has the charisma to do so. He just couldn't be booked as a serious "I never lose" champion. Edge - I don't see why not. Shelton Benjamin - Same as Edge. Chris Benoit - Sure. He just can't talk. Chris Jericho - Oh yeah. Eddy Guerrero - Yes, and it hits a demographic. Kane - No. He can't talk, work or draw. Big Show - Certainly, especially if booked to be dominant like early Andre or Samoa Joe's ROH World Championship run. I'd never have Big Show lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paranoid Nudnik Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Why, because he's not some freak of nature who's next to immobile in the ring and features a limited, uninspired moveset? Chris Masters is hardly immoblie in the ring. I WANT Shelton as Champ but you really need to start building strong heels on Raw, and Masters and Hassan are the two most likely to be pushed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter's Torn Quad Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Chris Masters is also the worst worker on Raw. What specifically is it about Rey that makes you so against him being World Champion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paranoid Nudnik Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 His height, weight, Mexicanness, reliance on a gimmick to get over, idiotic moveset, can't talk. More to the point, what do you have against Masters, who, the last time I checked, was over 6'2, 240lbs, can talk, has a great entrance and is credibilising the Full Nelson as we speak. And if you say "Can't work", you really need to look at the WWE, where Dave Batista and John Cena are world champions, and neither of them are Kurt Angle in the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bruiser Chong Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 His height, weight, Mexicanness, reliance on a gimmick to get over, idiotic moveset, can't talk. You are a fucking douche. Hope you enjoyed your brief time here, jackass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Some Guy Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Rey Misterio - No, we went over this one, already. Christian - No, I don't think he has the charisma or workrate to get to that top. Edge - He'll be champ at some point. I'm not sold on him though. Shelton Benjamin - Not yet, but yes. I think he is a great talent. They need to let him talk so he can learn that aspect, if/when he does he'll be a megs-star. Chris Benoit - He could be a very effective transitional champ. Chris Jericho - Maybe on SD! if built up properly and he starts to care again. Eddy Guerrero - If he can handle it he is their best bet on SD! right now after Cena. Kane - No. Big Show - Maybe as a transitional champ, but I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter's Torn Quad Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 His height, weight, Mexicanness, reliance on a gimmick to get over, idiotic moveset, can't talk. More to the point, what do you have against Masters, who, the last time I checked, was over 6'2, 240lbs, can talk, has a great entrance and is credibilising the Full Nelson as we speak. And if you say "Can't work", you really need to look at the WWE, where Dave Batista and John Cena are world champions, and neither of them are Kurt Angle in the ring. His height, weight, Mexicanness, reliance on a gimmick to get over, idiotic moveset, can't talk. How dare anyone like that even be employed at all. More to the point, what do you have against Masters, who, the last time I checked, was over 6'2, 240lbs, can talk, has a great entrance and is credibilising the Full Nelson as we speak Is there a point in there at all ? So what if he is over 6'2" ? Diesel was over 6'2" as well, and he was the lowest drawing WWE Champion ever. Same with the weight. And since when could he talk ? The most he's ever had to say in WWE is a couple of lines. How can you judge someone on that ? Even in OVW, he was never given a lot to say, which says it all. And if you say "Can't work", you really need to look at the WWE, where Dave Batista and John Cena are world champions, and neither of them are Kurt Angle in the ring. Batista and Cena have charisma, personality and connect with the crowd. Masters fails to do any of those. The people have seen through his lack of ability. Maybe you will do someday. And I have absolutely zero doubt that Rey could make a great short term champion, at the very least, because he is so great at playing the underdog role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paranoid Nudnik Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 If Rey is SO world Champion Material, where is this HUGE Latino audience watching Smackdown. Newsflash, Smackdown last week, featuring the interminable Rey-Eddie feud, scored the WORST ratings of the year. Also, let me retract the "Mexicanness" comment. I should have said that a Lucha Libre Star is not going to be taken seriously as a World Champion, and there has never been a credible Lucha Libre Star, other then Eddie, who TANKED as WWE Champion, headlining in North America. Tito Ortiz in TNA doesnt count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Some Guy Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 I don't think that Rey should be champion, but why him being Mexican have any bearing on the decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter's Torn Quad Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Can someone ban this guy already so the people who actually know what they are talking about can debate in peace ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 So, I clicked on your profile and you don't have any information. Are you a gimmick? No way someone could stir up that much shit with their first ten posts. I'm not high on Mysterio either, never have been, however you could've presented yourself in a more conductive manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paranoid Nudnik Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 It doesn't, and I apologise for the comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Banhammered. EDIT: Man, my signature fucking sucks. Somone needs to hook me up. EDIT2: I guess I can't grow tired of it being blank.... EDIT3: All over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter's Torn Quad Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 I told you I'm God. As for Rey being World Champion, I think he is so good at playing the underdog that he could really get people into wanting him to win the WWE Title. I don't think he could have a long reign, because once the underdog wins the big title he loses some of that underdog character, but I sincerely believe he could make a good short term champion, with the heel who beats him getting a ton of heat for taking the belt off of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Some Guy Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 I told you I'm God. As for Rey being World Champion, I think he is so good at playing the underdog that he could really get people into wanting him to win the WWE Title. I don't think he could have a long reign, because once the underdog wins the big title he loses some of that underdog character, but I sincerely believe he could make a good short term champion, with the heel who beats him getting a ton of heat for taking the belt off of him. I would go along with this plan, but WWE would get only one potential buyrate out of it, it's probably not worth it to go through pushing him to the moon for very little return, when you know in advance that the return will be little. It's not like pushing Orton where they actually thought he's draw and he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter's Torn Quad Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 I told you I'm God. As for Rey being World Champion, I think he is so good at playing the underdog that he could really get people into wanting him to win the WWE Title. I don't think he could have a long reign, because once the underdog wins the big title he loses some of that underdog character, but I sincerely believe he could make a good short term champion, with the heel who beats him getting a ton of heat for taking the belt off of him. I would go along with this plan, but WWE would get only one potential buyrate out of it, it's probably not worth it to go through pushing him to the moon for very little return, when you know in advance that the return will be little. It's not like pushing Orton where they actually thought he's draw and he didn't. I think the long term reward would be worth it, because not only would you get Rey even more over with a WWE Title win, but you would also be planting the idea in the heads of the fans that a 'little guy' can indeed win the WWE Title, and with that idea planted, it allows for more potential scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 They could get the same desired effect by having a "little guy" win the Royal Rumble. Then they wouldn't have to hot shot the title onto them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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