Loss Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Vote for the wrestler that you think had the better career in WWE (whether you base that on impact or match quality is your decision), from 1985 to 2005. Voting will end tomorrow morning at the latest. Please give the wrestler's name first and any explanation thereafter. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rob Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Triple H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyOwnSummer Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Honky Tonk Man. Honky's IC run smokes anything HHH has done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter's Torn Quad Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 HTM Honky drew the kind of heat that HHH can only dream of, and was far more effective as a heel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 HHH As much as I hate to say it, HHH's run as the top heel in 2000 was better than Honky's IC title run in 1987. HTM had the benefit of being a secondary champion when Hogan was at his hottest; rather or not Hogan was on the shows where he drew so big, Hogan made the product hot. HHH had to become the top heel with Austin, Undertaker and Foley on the shelf, and he and Rock did a very good job of keeping things together, considering the huge void they had to fill. It's the one thing I'll always give HHH credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter's Torn Quad Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 HHH became a top heel while Foley was still there, and if anyone deserves credit for Hunter becoming a top heel it's Foley for putting the guy over for three months straight, because it was that series that finally made Hunter into a top guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Honkey Tonk Man They've been trying to copy the forumla he had as the I.C. Champion for 18 years now. While HHH has been higher in the WWF he's never really drawn anything without Austin, Foley or Rock on tv. HHH also was getting his biggest push during the worst year for the WWF in 2002. HTM had a good track record on the house show circuit without Hogan around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Some Guy Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 HTM. Honky played the role he was supposed to play. I was wavering until I though of the WM 21 match that I watched last night. After the capapult spot into the ring posts that HHH bladed and staggered around the ring off of (to almost no response because everyone who's watched him in te last five years has seen him bleed 200 times) Batista walks over and grabs HHH's hair. Honky would have started reaching out to the crowd for help and the crowd would have been loving him getting dragged back. HHH didn't even do a bug eyed deal, he just allowed Batista to grab him and throw him in. HTM put people over during the match, HHH doesn't even when it is insanely important to the company that he does. Fuck HHH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 H? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Man in Blak Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 HHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Once again, I refuse to give any credit to a man who has damaged the business moreso than any other person save for Kevin Nash Honkytonk Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alfdogg Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Honky Tonk Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mac Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 HHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KingPK Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Honky Tonk Man. I'm sorry, but HHH's 2000 run is eclipsed by a truckload of shit that he's been involved in (both onscreen and off) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest treble Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 HHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dazed Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 HTM HHH has had a hugely negative impact on the product regardless of any positives. HTM created a formula that's often repeated, but not bettered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Man in Blak Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 HTM created a formula that's often repeated, but not bettered Is HTM really responsible for this? Or should this be credited to the writers and bookers in the WWF at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dazed Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 HTM created a formula that's often repeated, but not betteredIs HTM really responsible for this? Or should this be credited to the writers and bookers in the WWF at the time? He carried it off, at least. There's only so much you can be given, and the rest is up to you. I'd cite Eugene as a recent example - how many people could have done that gimmick and gotten it over so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Man in Blak Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 I'd cite Eugene as a recent example - how many people could have done that gimmick and gotten it over so much?At least with Eugene's gimmick, Dinsmore had to have enough acting chops to pull off a retarded character. With Honky Tonk Man, Ferris got to dress up like Elvis and lose by countout or disqualification a bunch. Sure, he has some comedic timing, but the thing that made the Honky Tonk Man's run as IC champion so special is that they kept booking him to lose without losing the title...over...and over...and over...to the point where the fans were just chomping at the bit to see somebody destroy this annoying little twerp. The booking is what made it special. Imagine Honky Tonk Man without the booking. He's a guy dressed up as Elvis. He'll hit you with a guitar and do some heelish things. He's not even remotely a plus in the ring - name some memorable matches. He was okay with the stick, but not phenomenal by any stretch of the imagination (i.e. he pulled off the gimmick in interviews). You can't even use the "HHH has terrible influence over the company" card on him, because Ferris refused to job during his IC reign (most notably to Randy Savage, who was given the win at WMV as a consolation). The crux of every HTM argument seems to be that he was a great draw and he had a great IC run, but most of that has absolutely nothing to do with Wayne Ferris as a worker. I just don't get it and I haven't gotten it all tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dazed Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 We should take this out of this thread into the main rasslin' folder. If Loss wouldn't mind splitting the threads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Actually Nik, it is best to contain the info in here. Hopefully, people will take into account what is being said from both sides and form an opinion or keep it in mind for future rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Triple H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunter's Torn Quad Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Even before his IC Title run, and before he had officially debuted, HTM was getting great heel heat. He was initially used as a babyface, and he rubbed people the wrong way so badly that the fans would cheer on the heel. And this was before he got any kind of push. In regards to HTM refusing to job the IC belt to Randy Savage, while I normally dislike it when wrestlers refuse to lose titles, to be fair to Honky, he only had a problem with it due to how the scenario was presented to him; Savage would basically squash him, and Honky would be 'rebuilt', ie: being put at the bottom of the card, which, in those days, would see his earnings drop a great deal. Not only that, Vince didn't even look at him when laying the scenario out, instead focusing all his attention on Randy Savage and Liz, who are also in the meeting. I know it's not a total excuse for his refusing to lose the IC Belt, but if I was HTM, I wouldn't have been happy with how I was approached to lose the IC Title. Not only that, but HTM was still molten hot at the time, so from a business standpoint, it wouldn't have made sense to take the belt off of a heel that was still crazy over The crux of every HTM argument seems to be that he was a great draw and he had a great IC run, but most of that has absolutely nothing to do with Wayne Ferris as a worker. I would argue that you can't be any kind of strong draw without being a good worker, whether it's in-ring work or or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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