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It was common knowledge. I don't know if he made his family think it was over or what. But when Sting took time off to save his marriage in late '98, he told his wife about Luger and Liz. Sting's wife told Lex's wife and it caused some problems between Sting and Luger for a while. Anyway, I'll split this stuff off. The topic is interesting on its own, but so is this. I don't want this to distract from the initial point of the thread.

Liz was married at the time she was having an affair with Luger. Lex was also married at the time. That's what I meant. His kids still haven't forgiven him for I guess not only having the affair, but also being so open about it and even getting a place to live with Liz (don't recall if he rented or purchased) while still married.

Keeping footage and hating Hogan ... Verne Gagne was wrestling's first smark.

Guys. START THREADS.

Wow. That's all I can really add to all of that.

His point was that Hogan took Vader's best shot and it didn't even phase him the month before, and now we're supposed to believe that transitional moves hurt him. It's a valid point.

God, Punk/Chris Brown at Wrestlemania would be off the charts. He's the kind of guy WWE would have used in the Attitude era.

Quite the honor. It hasn't gone to very many people.

I hope Hogan eventually makes the argument that he predicted the rise of social media in 2000 and that his feud with Kidman was a decade ahead of its time. Trash talking online is how the WM main event this year is being built up after all.

Yes, but WWE mats got really hard when they were on NBC.

I thought it was neck problems that ended DDP's career. I don't know that bumping on your back would have much to do with those. Flat back bumping can cause concussions. It can most certainly cause neck problems.

I think I read at the time that Vince chewed HHH out because he didn't like the way he worked the posedown angle going into the Rumble, but I guess that was quickly forgotten.

DDP was in his mid-40s and moved around pretty well for a guy that age until WWE made him start flat back bumping. He was done in months. Also, no way would Flair have lasted as long as he did bumping flat on his back, considering that he didn't work a light style and he was thrown around quite a bit. Also, look at lucha and how many guys can have long careers because they don't do that. Anyway, back to the topic at hand. DDP is an excellent pick. Went from headliner to joke who couldn't even wrestle anymore in record time after WWE decided to fix something not broken.

And there, I'm referring to Nash mentioning how most Nitros ended with Hogan in the ring doing a promo and everyone else standing around, so most guys had the mindset to stay just coherent enough that they could remain standing during Hogan's promo.

The Luger story is actually a really terrible, largely self-imposed tragedy. He and Liz hooking up destroyed two marriages, completely ostracized him from his children and from there, there was a bad series of events that led to her dying. They both got so caught up in the drug and party atmosphere of WCW at the time that it wrecked their lives and continued to bring them down even after WCW was gone. That really brings me to a bigger point. Some of the guys who got lost in the transition had it happen because of WWE's narrow vision of what wrestling is, but the free-flowing money and drugs without being expected to perform at a high level took down a lot of people too.

Oh God. That may have been a good message board post, but it's a pretty lousy article. If he's going to steal from me, I wish he at least had the decency to fix some of my bad grammar and expand on some of the shorthand.

Jarrett created a vanity promotion. I'd say he's actually been among the least impacted by WCW crashing. He found a way to keep going in spite of it.

Also, wow did Kidman ever lose something post-WCW.

Jason Jett was liked at the time and showed up in WCW less than a month before they shut down, I think.

I've always thought that your figurehead can be a bland, generic old white dude in most cases, because seeing charismatic wrestlers next to an everyday guy makes the wrestlers look more like stars because of the strong contrast. An effective figurehead doesn't need to be a strong promo. Occasionally, you get a Bob Armstrong or an Eddie Marlin that is a strong promo and can help sell things, but they're ex-wrestlers and are presented in a smart way. With those guys, maybe you can do more adventurous things. Jack Tunney being a pasty old white dude with no personality totally worked in the 80s WWF setting, because it made all the larger-than-life characters seem even more so.

Maybe the anonymous Board of Directors is the same people that were on the Executive Championship Committee in WCW. I hope Sonny Onoo under a pseudonym and Woman From France are involved.

Yet he has the power to fire the RAW GM, but not to make himself the RAW GM.

By the way, I must have missed something. I thought Vince returned a few months ago and removed all of HHH's power and HHH was just a wrestler now. Yet HHH has the authority to fire Laurinitis? When did that power go back from Vince to HHH? Is Vince still the storyline guy running things?

I'll just say I'll let this run another day or two, then probably close the thread, because it's not really "pro wrestling only". But might as well let people chat about it if they're interested in the meantime. I just don't want this to turn into a Where Are They Now megathread for lost posters and comments about Chris Coey's personal life. That's not what this board is about.

I am glad this thread was bumped because I just re-read it and of course, jdw is running with the "kid" point. Flair's age was never specified in the story, except that it was before he got into wrestling.