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I will, but I could have sworn that I *did* have it as Hiromi before and you corrected me and told me it was Hiroumi.
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Haha. I didn't. I felt more like Helen Feesh on The Simpsons that time Bart made her play "In A Gadda Da Vida" and when it was over, she dropped dead.
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That's right. That's in addition to the e-book. The countdown will start after I check out some supplemental stuff and make sure I haven't overlooked something that belongs on the list. The matches will not have reviews though - those will be in the e-book. I will happily engage in conversations about why I ranked certain things certain ways though as I'm posting the list. To be honest, I still don't even know what my #1 will be. That was the original idea for the e-book: to do a countdown of the top 500 matches of the 90s. But I felt in doing so, I was overlooking too many things that aren't quite at that level that still deserve mention. So the e-book will take a chronological approach while the countdown will just be a countdown.
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Yes, there are plans to do it, but it's a major undertaking creating all of those threads and I simply haven't had time. It will expand, but the expansion will be very slow. It's my own fault in some ways that it hasn't happened faster. I'm so specific about how I want the thread titles formatted that I don't want to unnecessarily get frustrated with someone if they use "v." instead of "vs", don't include the date or misspell a wrestler's name. As for the 2000s, this has taken a lot out of me. We'll see. There is definitely plenty I want to watch, but continuing at this pace when I'll be 35 years old next month with one child and a second one on the way will be pretty tough. It will all get watched but I'll be jumping around more, it will be slower, and I won't be watching anything outside the 1990s until the e-book is done.
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So here we are, about one month shy of four years from the time I started watching 1996. I have now viewed over 1200 hours of footage from 1990-1999. My full attention from here forward will go toward completing the e-book, which includes lots of writing and watching a decent chunk of supplemental footage that I've identified. After I get fully in the swing of writing again, I'll have a better estimate of when the e-book will be released. In the meantime, be on the lookout for: - My Top 500 Matches of the 1990s countdown, starting at 500 and going all the way to number 1 - A new podcast series devoted to 1990s wrestling on a global scale, which will tackle a month at a time, starting with January 1990 - A 1990s wrestling blog, which will contain notes on supplemental matches and my thoughts on any 90s wrestling items that hit the wrestling news cycle (examples: Sting DVD release, Monday Night Wars series on the Network, library purchases and shoot interviews talking about the time period) I credit this project for restoring my interest in wrestling, which was pretty low for about three years after Chris Benoit murdered his family. If you haven't made the trek through all of this, I encourage you to do so. You probably don't have to be as militant as I was, to the point that you give up watching just about anything else. But doing so is a great way to expose yourself (no, not like that!) to new footage and styles and also to remember why we all love this stuff so much, warts and all.
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#20 - Taka Michinoku vs Minoru Tanaka (BattlARTS 10/17/99) #19 - Atsushi Onita, Shigeo Okumura, Sambo Asako & Mitsunobo Kikuzawa vs Genichiro Tenryu, Shoji Nakamaki, Ichiro Yaguchi & Hiroshi Ono (Onita Pro 06/27/99) #18 - Sting vs Diamond Dallas Page (WCW Monday Nitro 04/19/99) #17 - Hayabusa & Jinsei Shinzaki vs Masato Tanaka & Tetsuhiro Kuroda (FMW 03/19/99) #16 - Masato Tanaka vs Mr. Gannosuke (FMW 08/20/99) #15 - Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW 01/22/99) #14 - Yuki Ishikawa vs Daisuke Ikeda (BattlARTS 08/29/99) #13 - Yuki Ishikawa & Carl Greco vs Alexander Otsuka & Mohammed Yone (BattlARTS 03/12/99) #12 - Jushin Liger & Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Shinjiro Otani & Koji Kanemoto (NJPW 03/06/99) #11 - Masato Tanaka & Tetsuhiro Kuroda vs H & Mr. Gannosuke (FMW 12/12/99) #10 - El Hijo del Santo & Negro Casas vs Scorpio Jr. & Bestia Salvaje (CMLL 03/19/99) #9 - Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda vs AKINO & Ayako Hamada (ARSION 12/11/99) #8 - Tsuyoshi Kohsaka vs Yoshihisa Yammamoto (RINGS 05/22/99) #7 - El Samurai vs Shinjiro Otani (NJPW 06/03/99) #6 - Aja Kong vs Meiko Satomura (GAEA 09/15/99) #5 - Mitsuharu Misawa & Yoshinari Ogawa vs Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama (AJPW 03/06/99) #4 - Yuki Ishikawa & Alexander Otsuka vs Daisuke Ikeda & Mohammed Yone (BattlARTS 01/12/99) #3 - Mariko Yoshida vs Hiroumi Yagi (ARSION 02/18/99) #2 - Antifaz del Norte, El Hijo del Santo, Emilio Charles Jr., Felino, Negro Casas, Olimpico, Tarzan Boy & Tony Rivera vs Bestia Salvaje, Black Warrior, Blue Panther, Fuerza Guerrera, Rey Bucanero, El Satanico, Ultimo Guerrero & Zumbido (CMLL 11/26/99) #1 - Kiyoshi Tamura vs Yoshihisa Yammamoto (RINGS 06/24/99)
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#40 - Genichiro Tenryu vs Keiji Muto (NJPW 05/03/99) #39 - Magnum Tokyo, Dragon Kid & SAITO vs Shiima Nobunaga, Judo Suwa & Sumo Fuji (Toryumon 01/31/99) #38 - Daisuke Ikeda vs Alexander Otsuka (BattlARTS 04/26/99) #37 - Dudley Boys vs Spike Dudley & Balls Mahoney (ECW 06/17/99) #36 - Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama vs Stan Hansen & Akira Taue (AJPW 12/03/99) #35 - Hardy Boyz vs Serial Thrillaz (OMEGA 01/29/99) #34 - Rey Misterio Jr. vs Juventud Guerrera vs Psicosis vs Blitzkrieg (WCW Monday Nitro 04/19/99) #33 - Yuki Ishikawa & Mohammed Yone vs Daisuke Ikeda & Kazunari Murakami (BattlARTS 11/09/99) #32 - Yuki Ishikawa & Daisuke Ikeda vs Joe Malenko & Carl Malenko (BattlARTS 06/09/99) #31 - El Hijo del Santo & Negro Casas vs Bestia Salvaje & Scorpio Jr. (CMLL 02/26/99) #30 - Chikayo Nagashima vs Meiko Satomura (GAEA 01/08/99) #29 - Yoshinari Ogawa vs Masahito Kakihara (AJPW 01/15/99) #28 - Hayabusa, Masato Tanaka & Tetsuhiro Kuroda vs Mr. Gannosuke, Yukihiro Kanemura & Hido (FMW 06/15/99) #27 - Mariko Yoshida vs Hiroumi Yagi (ARSION 05/04/99) #26 - Mr. Gannosuke vs Hisakatsu Oya (FMW 01/05/99) #25 - Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi (AJPW 06/11/99) #24 - El Satanico, Zumbido, Valentin Mayo, Virus & Rencor Latino vs Starman, Astro Rey Jr., El Oriental, Tiger Blanco & Mr. Aguila (Ruleta de la Muerte 07/18/99) #23 - Hayabusa vs Mr. Gannosuke (FMW 08/25/99) #22 - Hayabusa & Jinsei Shinzaki vs Tamon Honda & Jun Izumida (AJPW 01/16/99) #21 - Kenta Kobashi vs Jun Akiyama (AJPW 04/04/99)
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#60 - Mitsuharu Misawa & Yoshinari Ogawa vs Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama (AJPW 10/30/99) #59 - Yuki Ishikawa vs Daisuke Ikeda (BattlARTS 07/29/99) #58 - Alexander Otsuka vs Mitsuhiro Matsunaga (BattlARTS 11/09/99) #57 - Super Crazy & Super Calo vs Yoshihiro Taijiri & Ikuto Hidaka (ECW 12/18/99) #56 - El Hijo del Santo & Negro Casas vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & Blue Panther (CMLL 09/17/99) #55 - Vader vs Mitsuharu Misawa (AJPW 05/02/99) #54 - Mariko Yoshida vs Mika Akino (ARSION 01/17/99) #53 - Mitsuharu Misawa & Akira Taue vs Kenta Kobashi & Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW 06/04/99) #52 - Mitsuharu Misawa & Yoshinari Ogawa vs Yoshihiro Takayama & Takao Omori (AJPW 08/25/99) #51 - El Hijo del Santo, Emilio Charles Jr., Negro Casas & Olimpico vs Black Warrior, Blue Panther, Dr. Wagner Jr. & Ultimo Guerrero (CMLL 09/10/99) #50 - Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama vs Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue (AJPW 01/07/99) #49 - Naohiro Hoshikawa, Masato Yakushiji & Masaru Seno vs Shiima Nobunaga, Judo Suwa & Sumo Fuji (Michinoku Pro 01/10/99) #48 - Shinya Hashimoto vs Masa Chono (NJPW 08/11/99) #47 - Super Delphin, Masaru Seno & Masato Yakushiji vs Violencia, Black Buffalo & Dick Togo (Osaka Pro 05/04/99) #46 - Genichiro Tenryu vs Shinya Hashimoto (NJPW 06/08/99) #45 - Great Sasuke vs Magnum Tokyo (Toryumon 02/07/99) #44 - Aja Kong & Mayumi Ozaki vs Meiko Satomura & Sonoko Kato (GAEA 04/04/99) #43 - Dick Togo, Black Buffalo & Police Man vs Super Delphin, Masato Yakushiji & Masaru Seno (Osaka Pro 07/24/99) #42 - Tomoaki Honma vs Shadow WX (BJPW 10/17/99) #41 - Shinjiro Otani & Tatsuhito Takaiwa vs Koji Kanemoto & Minoru Tanaka (NJPW 10/11/99)
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#80 - Mr. Gannosuke, Hisakatsu Oya, Yukihiro Kanemura, Hideki Hosaka & Hido vs Yuki Ishikawa, Daisuke Ikeda, Mohammed Yone, Takashi Hijikata & Katsumi Usuda (FMW 05/05/99) #79 - Kenta Kobashi, Jun Akiyama & Kentaro Shiga vs Yoshihiro Takayama, Takao Omori & Masa Fuchi (AJPW 10/09/99) #78 - Ryuji Yamakawa vs Tomoaki Honma (BJPW 06/20/99) #77 - Masato Tanaka vs Kodo Fuyuki (FMW 11/23/99) #76 - Mike Awesome vs Masato Tanaka (ECW on TNN 12/31/99) #75 - La Parkita & Octagoncito vs Mini Abismo Negro & Mini Psicosis (AAA 08/30/99) #74 - Rey Misterio Jr. & Billy Kidman vs Chris Benoit & Dean Malenko (WCW Monday Nitro 03/29/99) #73 - Jerry Lynn vs Yoshihiro Taijiri (ECW TV 10/30/99) #72 - Jushin Liger, Dr. Wagner Jr. & El Samurai vs Shinjiro Otani, Koji Kanemoto & Kendo Kashin (NJPW 07/20/99) #71 - Manami Toyota vs Kyoko Inoue (AJW 12/08/99) #70 - Genichiro Tenryu vs Keiji Muto (NJPW 12/10/99) #69 - Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama vs Yoshihiro Takayama & Takao Omori (AJPW 10/30/99) #68 - Blue Panther & Olimpico vs Rey Bucanero & Shocker (Ruleta de la Muerte 07/18/99) #67 - Yoshihiro Taijiri vs Little Guido (ECW Hardcore Heaven 05/16/99) #66 - Meiko Satomura vs Toshie Uematsu (GAEA 02/03/99) #65 - Rey Misterio Jr. vs Billy Kidman (WCW Monday Nitro 03/15/99) #64 - Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW 07/23/99) #63 - Mitsuharu Misawa & Yoshinari Ogawa vs Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama (AJPW 11/20/99) #62 - Volk Han vs Hiromitsu Kanehara (RINGS 01/23/99) #61 - Super Crazy vs Little Guido (ECW on TNN 09/24/99)
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#100 - Steve Austin vs Val Venis (WWF Smackdown 10/21/99) #99 - Chris Benoit & Dean Malenko vs Rey Misterio Jr. & Billy Kidman (WCW Saturday Night 04/17/99) #98 - Chris Benoit & Dean Malenko vs Horace & Brian Adams (WCW Thunder 02/18/99) #97 - Bret Hart vs Booker T (WCW Monday Nitro 02/22/99) #96 - Susumu Yokosuka vs Genki Horiguchi (Toryumon 09/14/99) #95 - Juventud Guerrera vs Blitzkrieg (WCW Spring Stampede 04/11/99) #94 - Mike Awesome vs Masato Tanaka vs Taz (ECW Anarchy Rulz 04/19/99) #93 - Hulk Hogan vs Diamond Dallas Page (WCW Monday Nitro 03/29/99) #92 - Bret Hart vs Chris Benoit (WCW Monday Nitro 10/04/99) #91 - Edge & Christian vs Hardy Boys (WWF No Mercy 10/17/99) #90 - Atsushi Onita & Masato Tanaka vs Yukihiro Kanemura & Shoji Nakamaki (Onita Pro 03/07/99) #89 - Yoshihiro Taijiri vs Little Guido (ECW 04/30/99) #88 - Steve Austin vs The Rock (WWF Wrestlemania XV 03/28/99) #87 - Tsubasa & Oriental vs Ultimo Guerrero & Virus (CMLL Japan 02/24/99) #86 - Sabu vs One Man Gang (ECW 01/23/99) #85 - Yoshihiro Taijiri vs Little Guido (ECW TV 08/07/99) #84 - Jushin Liger & Great Sasuke vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & Kendo Kashin (NJPW 04/10/99) #83 - Vader vs Kenta Kobashi (AJPW 04/16/99) #82 - Vader vs Mitsuharu Misawa (AJPW 10/30/99) #81 - Kiyoshi Tamura vs Hiromitsu Kanehara (RINGS 03/22/99)
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December: #1 - Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda vs AKINO & Ayako Hamada (ARSION 12/11/99) ****1/2 #2 - Masato Tanaka & Tetsuhiro Kuroda vs H & Mr. Gannosuke (FMW 12/12/99) ****1/2 #3 - Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama vs Stan Hansen & Akira Taue (AJPW 12/03/99) ****1/4 #4 - Super Crazy & Super Calo vs Yoshihiro Taijiri & Ikuto Hidaka (ECW 12/18/99) **** #5 - Genichiro Tenryu vs Keiji Muto (NJPW 12/10/99) **** #6 - Manami Toyota vs Kyoko Inoue (AJW 12/08/99) **** #7 - Mike Awesome vs Masato Tanaka (ECW on TNN 12/31/99) **** #8 - Katsumi Usuda & Carl Malenko vs Yuki Ishikawa & Masaaki Mochizuki (BattlARTS 12/05/99) ***1/2 #9 - Masato Tanaka vs Kintaro Kanemura (ECW 12/18/99) ***1/2 #10 - Mike Awesome vs Masato Tanaka (ECW 12/17/99) ***1/4 #11 - Chris Jericho vs Chyna (WWF Armageddon 12/12/99) ***1/4 #12 - Minoru Fujita, Shiryu II & Jody Fleisch vs CIMA, Super Boy & Curry Man (Michinoku Pro 12/21/99) ***1/4 #13 - Tracy Smothers vs Kintaro Kanemura (ECW 12/17/99) *** #14 - The Rock & Mankind vs Dudley Boys (WWF Monday Night RAW 12/13/99) #15 - Mankind vs Al Snow (WWF Smackdown 12/16/99) #16 - Diamond Dallas Page vs Kanyon (WCW Thunder 12/16/99) #17 - Jushin Liger vs Psicosis (WCW Monday Nitro 12/06/99)
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I remember really loving this match when I saw it years and years ago. It's definitely the best match they had, at the very least stateside. Lots of nearfalls that have the crowd biting and I think they do a better job than usual of working in their spots organically and doing at least a little between the big spots. Unbelievable finishing move that would have pissed me off like crazy if it wasn't the finish. Awesome regains the ECW title. Post-match, Spike Dudley comes back to confront Mike Awesome yet again. Whoever his Spike fan is takes out Judge Jeff Jones, but then gets lariated pretty hard and starts bleeding from the mouth to sell it. Spike goes after Awesome out of anger for it but ends up thrown through a table at ringside. And that's the end of 1999. And the 90s. Whew.
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Rock tries to blow off Michael Hayes, but when he asks if it's weighing on his conscience that he got Mick Foley fired, he turns around and is pretty irritable. The Rock is not happy that Foley is fired at all, and puts him over strong. He closes by warning Hayes to never ask him a question like that again. This was great - devoid of the usual Rock catchphrases and it featured him saying something nice about someone else for once.
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Last few minutes. After a ref bump, Chyna pedigrees Jericho on a chair but only gets two by the time the second ref makes it to the ring. There's a double pin and both refs hit the ring at the same time to dispute the finish, and the end result of all this was horrible for everyone involved, as Jericho and Chyna became co-Intercontinental champions.
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Jim Ross conducts a sit-down interview with Mick Foley. Mick admits that he has saved his money, but that it was still hard to explain to his children that his career is over. Foley hoped to retire in the main event of Wrestlemania and even leave as the champion in the perfect world, and now that won't happen. That's some impressive long-term storytelling. He has no resentment toward The Rock for losing and admits one of them has his best days behind him and one of him still has his best days ahead. He hopes he's provided some great moments in and out of the ring. He closes by saying *he* will be the one to decide how Mick Foley goes out, not HHH and Stephanie. Really strong interview.
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[1999-12-27-WCW-Nitro] Kevin Nash vs Sid & The Wall (Handicap)
Loss replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
Just the finish. Nash pins The Wall. Nash is about to powerbomb Sid when Benoit makes the save. Nash sells the punch from Benoit really great. Scott Steiner limps to the ring with all the baseball bats and teases helping Sid before turning on him and revealing that he can walk just fine. Scott Steiner joins the NWO Silver. They throw Sid in the car and drive out of the arena with him while Nash does a parade wave at everyone in the crowd. I was just about to say while this isn't a good direction for WCW or anything, it's at least a coherent one, but then Bret Hart drives an NWO monster truck over a car in which Sid is trapped. Bret was right that it wasn't fair to ask them to do these stunts when they weren't trained. This is the kind of crap that would never happen in unionized wrestling. -
[1999-12-27-WCW-Nitro] The Revolution at the White House
Loss replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
The Revolution walk around Washington DC as part of their anti-American gimmick and insult everything and everyone. Saturn has acquired a learning disorder while Shane delivers serious rants. Shane Douglas is pretty great in these. I actually like these vignettes. -
We start with this overly sappy recap of Scott Steiner's career. The video is well done, but does Scott Steiner really warrant this kind of video, even if he is retiring? This segues right to a somber and wheelchair-bound Scott Steiner coming in front of the crowd to announce his retirement. Rick pushes him out. It's so funny that they are trying to create this serious moment while coming out to "Steinerized". I'll stop being cynical and point out that Scott does a great job in this segment. As he's leaving the ring, the NWO come out to get in his face. Bret calls Scott a washed-up nobody and tells him to get his ass out of the ring. Bret: "Hey Scotty, I'll be really honest. You were never very good anyway." Jarrett and Nash toss his wheelchair on the ground. After Scott leaves, a producer signals for Nash to wrap up so Jarrett hits him with a guitar. They go to commercial but the NWO is still in the ring. Nash responds to Bill Busch stripping him and Hall of the tag titles. Nash heels on the crowd. Bret claims that he has beaten Goldberg four times and tells him to consider himself stopped. Sid is stepping up and wants to get a title shot against Bret. Jarrett will have a series with Benoit at Souled Out called Triple Threat Theater. Sid's car pulls up all the way to the ring. He and Benoit step out of it and clear the ring with baseball bats. Curt Hennig tries to come in and attack them on behalf of the Powers That Be, and Sid ends up throwing him outside the ring and on top of the car. Not a bad segment, but WCW has switched from 80s WWF nostalgia to 1995 WWF nostalgia. Is that an upgrade?
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Last few minutes. The Outlaws and X-Pac interfere after a ref bump but Big Show kicks out when the ref finally crawls over to make the call. Big Show fights off all of DX before the numbers catch up. Show keeps making comebacks and getting over big until Stephanie hands HHH a chair. Mankind makes a surprise appearance at the end of the night to hit HHH with a chair, leading to a chokeslam and pin. Big Show retains ... for now. Great heat for this and another well laid-out match.
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[1999-12-27-WWF-Raw] Mark Henry and Harvey Whippleman Double Date
Loss replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
Mark Henry bullies Harvey Whippleman into taking Moolah and Mae Young on a double date. Moolah grabs him by the ear until he agrees to go. Henry reads Mae Young a poem and insists that Harvey do the same for Moolah. A fan calls Henry a loser and Mae and Moolah beat the crap out of him! Mae Young is the best. We join them later after sex. Henry and Mae are cuddling while Mae smokes her now customary cigar. Moolah is one bed over and tells them to cut the crap as she's next to a completely freaked out Harvey. "Whatever happened to good, old-fashioned American sex?" - Fabulous Moolah -
Mankind says goodbye to various guys in the company in multiple segments. HHH and Stephanie have had enough of these goodbyes and have security escort Foley out immediately.
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[1999-12-27-WWF-Raw] The Rock vs Mankind (Pink Slip on a Pole)
Loss replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
This is a little backwards in logic, as the guy who retrieves the pink slip keeps his job, but it works. Al Snow runs in to attack Rock with Head when he's about to win the match then wants to help Foley win. Foley almost goes up but thinks better of it, then beats up Snow and throws him out of the ring before walking right into a Rock Bottom. Great drama with both guys hanging on to the pole, and I really thought they built that finish very well. Way better than you'd think. Rock wins but doesn't seem thrilled about it by any means. Good match and an even better angle. Mankind does a very good post-match promo - he was planning on calling it quits in the year 2000, but it's still 1999 and what just happened sucks. The build to the Rumble is on and it's great. -
Mankind thinks the match tonight is one of the stupidest matches he has ever heard of. He feels like he has to fight dirty with his career on the line and asks the fans to forgive him if he does anything shady. Good interview.
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HHH and Stephanie have had funny pictures added to either side of the ramp. HHH vs Big Show for the title tonight, as HHH wants to be the champ for the new millenium. They start pointing their attention toward Foley when he interrupts. He calls out each member of DX one by one and tries to stir up trouble amongst the group. Foley tells them if HHH wins the title, he'll leave DX high and dry. Foley says The Godfather wants Stephanie in the back with the other hos, which leads to DX jumping Mankind. The Rock quickly makes the save to a gigantic pop. It's the end of 1999. Greensboro of all places is an incredibly hot town for the WWF. HHH says tonight is the end of the Rock N Sock Connection because tonight, they will face each other in a Pink Slip on a Pole match where the loser gets fired.
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We hear from The Baldies, Danny Doring and Roadkill (who is dressed as Santa), the Impact Players and Raven. This is a short one.