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No way!

Great topic. Still some stuff I need to see on Nintendo Logic's list, and FLIK is always great for left-of-center recommendations. I will do the 90s 500 after the 1999 Yearbook and watching all the stuff that has been recommended, but did not make a set. My favorites are changing so often these days that I think doing a list now would be premature.

I'm sorry, I think I was looking for a more stylistic answer. What style of wrestling do you prefer the most?

Yes, Dylan Waco, so consumed with hatred that he can't acknowledge when wrestlers he dislikes have good matches. That's Dylan all right.

BW's got one more strong match in him, but it's a six-man. You'll get to it soon.

Yes, there's Wrestlecrap that's perversely enjoyable in an ironic way. This is not that at all. The WCW mini-movies don't even have that level of appeal to me.

Yes, in 1990, the USWA was essentially two promotions. You had the USWA as you know it running out of Memphis. Then, there was the USWA running out of Dallas. The booking didn't overlap at all, but some of the wrestlers worked both places. There is a season set out there for 1990 USWA, but ... Well, this is probably better to link to than explaining it again.

I don't know the answer to that. Maybe Martel got a three-year deal and Zenk got a two-year deal. Maybe Zenk is bullshitting. Maybe there was a per appearance included in contracts back then, but the number of appearances wasn't guaranteed? I just know every single thing I've always read has always said that the WWF did not offer a downside guarantee until Hall and Nash signed with WCW.

Contracts weren't really a part of wrestling until the late 1980s, when Crockett started signing guys to deals. Most guys - maybe everyone - worked territories on handshake deals prior to that. I don't know if he was the first, but Lex Luger was one of the first guys to get a big money contract in wrestling. The WWF didn't even offer a downside guarantee in their contracts until Hall and Nash jumped to WCW in 1996. The contract itself was nothing more than "an opportunity", as it is often worded by people who share these things, and was more to keep the WWF wrestlers locked up and exclusive than to give them any perks of note. A guy like Jerry Lawler was an icon in his home territory and didn't need to travel very often to make a good living. Wrestlers like Andre the Giant and Dusty Rhodes were attractions and were in demand in multiple places. Other wrestlers may have had a falling out out with the promoter over something and left quickly, and it was no big deal, because there were so many other places they could work. But they weren't under short-term "deals". If contracts were the norm in wrestling prior to Vince's expansion, Vince probably wouldn't have had any talent he could use to expand, or at the very least, he would have needed to offer them a lot of guaranteed money to jump.

Brodus Clay cameo near the end:

I think we're getting a Lesnar/HHH rematch at Mania.

Steamboat took one at the June '89 Clash with Funk, which was enough to make me hate that match, considering how much the piledriver had been built up through the Flair angle and subsequent TV. Flair also took one in the I Quit match with Funk later that year.

Or so he would have you think! His portrayal of a declining wrestler was a brilliant performance.

Hey, one thing worth referencing for Flair/Windham - not sure if you are already aware - but the match is edited on the Crockett Cup release. I still think it comes off great, but there is a handheld of the matches from that show circulating around and I think Flair/Windham is much better complete.

For the record, I think Edge's acting is pretty bad, even by the standards of pro wrestlers. If someone disagrees and thinks he's inoffensive, so be it. But it's laughable when his acting ability keeps getting referenced as this great strength of his.

Is Edge really bad at pro wrestling? Or is he so good at pro wrestling that he can pretend that he's bad at pro wrestling and no one is the wiser?

I'm not afraid to admit I cried when watching this. Take a look for yourself, as Edge explores so many nuances in interpersonal relationships. This really made me think about the ways in which we all interact with each other.

Let us use this thread to reflect upon the amazing acting of Talented Thespian Adam Copeland. For example, while he was from Toronto, I really believed that he was from Florida when he was a babyface.

When Edge and Vickie Guerrero had their toenails painted, I really felt my own toenails drying.

We can add to this as we keep watching, but take a shot anytime Jim Ross: - Mentions Lex Luger's 3.78 grade point average - Mentions that Brian Pillman is a "former Cincinnati Bengal" - Mentions that Jim Cornette's partner in mixed doubles tennis was a man - Mentions Stan Lane's educated feet - Calls a Butch Reed punch a "soupbone right hand" These are all Jim Ross-centric, but feel free to add any others to this thread from any promotion as you make your way through the footage. While we're making up the rules as we go, this is guaranteed to get people trashed in the future when watching this thing.

Talk about it here.

With '91 being the next yearbook we'll do, I wanted to ask if there is anything for All Japan that was partial on TV, but is available complete either on Classics or a comm release. I want to make sure we include the best versions of all matches.