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Well, clearly if Todd Martin thinks it's an ear, it's obviously an ear. If it means he's right and you're wrong, then that's the way it is. Overreact about another quasi-wrestling related thing why don't you? I'm honestly surprised you didn't get that was a joke and why.

I wouldn't have posted it if Dylan hadn't agreed with me.

Well, clearly if Todd Martin thinks it's an ear, it's obviously an ear.

It's a horn. THE HORN OF A UNICORN.

Bret Hart and and Chris Jericho made the NY Times' Best Seller List. Jericho did it twice. That's fairly meaningless. There are books in the genre that made the NYT list that Alvarez has sold 10 times more than. Lots of major publisher releases sell a few thousand copies in the first week, make the tail end of the NYT list and are never heard from again. How many copies in a week does it take to hit the best seller list? And which wrestling books have made the list: 1st 2 Foley, Rock, Bret, both Jericho, Flair I think...what were the others...Chyna and Angle?

Use the zoom tool on WWE.com. The image is from the left. If that were the ear, it would be the right ear, and there's no left ear in the picture. It's a horn as an extension of the weird dragon scale things.

This is like the Southpark parody of My Neighbor Totoro with Cartman riding Cthulu, only more improbable.

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/3/2/2024...re-hes-riding-a Please join me in coming up with ridiculous scenarios.

I don't remember exactly where I heard it but it was credible and explains a lot.

Bret Hart and and Chris Jericho made the NY Times' Best Seller List. Jericho did it twice. Biggest non-WWE book that didn't make the NY Times' Best Seller List I could believe but 5,000 copies in 2010 alone (not sure how many of those are through official channels and how many are for the signed copies he sells, as he rather cockily bragged about the success of the latter recently) really sounds like a lot, even knowing what Dylan told me about B&N making sure that stores keep it in stock. I can see it having staying power to a degree ("Hey, I liked WCW...") but that's a hell of a lot, especially when there's a WWE retail DVD that only sold 13,000 copies (Superstar Graham's). Could a lot of this be the Kindle/Nook effect? A big part of those devices is impulse buying while you're bored, especially since you can do it anywhere if you have a reader with a EVDO or 3G cell antenna (which was all of them until last Summer, when both Amazon and B&N unveiled Wi-Fi only models). It's available from the Kindle and Nook stores, as well as a number of other ebook stores.

I think people were watching Jumbo prior to that, including the Rusher and Race matches. I know the Race and Terry NWA Title matches were ones Frank pimped as MOTD Candidates from about as soon as they hit Lynch's list off Classics. The Terry match wasn't complete on the Legend... I wonder if the Monster 10 came out before Legend. Monster 10 came out while Jumbo was still alive. I dunno when I started lurking at TOA but at places like DVDVR and A1, it was his death and Legend that started the GOAT pimping. Some, not quite. Again, I think the Jumbo general drum roll started a bit earlier. The Jumbo-Tenryu was pratically a 1997 comp, no later than 1998 with Q-Mike then trading it all over the place. Terry Nuts and Kerry Nuts were really early: I know I pimped Kerry-Jumbo and Flair-Harley as one of the best TV shows for like forever, along with Choshu-Hash, Hase & Sasaki vs Mutoh & Chono and Liger-Pegasus. And Terry-Jumbo was a drum that Frank beat over and over and over again. Jumbo Love was in full force before Backlund Love, and that one goes back a long time. Pimping Jumbo Classics matches goes back before Baba-Billy... and that review of Frank's was really old. They were pimped but again, not as widespread. On a bigger level, the Legend set got attention and then drew people to the Monster 10 set. This is true. My question would be: was there enough stuff on Lynch's list (and other collectors at the time like Munari and Freelander) to determine that Jerry was Really Really Really Great? One of the complaints about Destroyer Luv is that he got pimped off a small number of available matches. But there is the flip side of that: the small number of matches hasn't gotten in the way of people breaking down Jumbo-Baba or Jumbo-Mil and arguing that Destroyer was a high end worker for the style of the era (i.e. comp him with other workers who also have limited stuff as well, and with the overall available work from the era). I don't think it got in the way of Phil having that discussion with Frank. It was over one of the classic matches, and I think he offered up other ones as well. The mass let people make the "Body Of Work" argument. Off the top of my head, as far as upper level Lawler, Lynch's list has the two really great Mantell matches from '82 (Mantell's title win and the barbed wire match), the '83 Dundee LLT, the Terry Funk matches, and the Bigelow Texas Death Match (in the middle of a TV tape as opposed to an "arena" tape), as well as a decent amount of the PM Film sourced stuff, the best of which were the cage match with Savage, $1,000 per minute match with Bundy, the first tag w/ Savage vs Rude & Bundy, and one of the Bockwinkel matches, which were available in various edits on comm tapes. On the other hand, the '85 Dundee LLT had been around and reviewed in the DVDVR but I didn't see it floating around until much later. The Idol cage match was around for a while, as was the AWA title win over Hennig in some circles. Other stuff like the LLT w/ Savage, the Savage/Rude/Bundy rematch, and the tags w/ Bigelow vs Idol & Rich didn't show up until more recently. The Savage LLT and tag rematch had been around, just not as easily. Other stuff has surfaced since then that was traded around back in the day but hadn't shown up in a while like the stuff with Rich on the Schneider comp, the wild tag w/ Ware vs Eaton and Sabu The Wildman. The other Hennig matches and the Memphis Kerry match weren't around AFAIK until Kurt got them from Danny Wolfe.\

Dylan is definitely right about when Jumbo as GOAT became a big online consensus. It was basically Jumbo dies -> people start to watch whatever Jumbo they may have had laying around -> Jumbo Legend set comes out -> People go nuts over it, especially the '70s matches with Race and Rusher -> People go after whatever they can find on AJPW Classics tapes, plus the previous Jumbo comm. set, the Tenryu feud comp (which was missing matches), etc -> People go even more nuts over the Terry Funk, Kerry Von Erich, etc. matches along with everything else, and with the impressive body of work over such a long time, he gets pimped as GOAT. To add to all of the other Lawler points you have to remember that even though Memphis was known for great brawls, the tape collecting veered towards the regular TV and the great angles/promos a lot of the time. Not as many people were watching the available house show footage and trying to dig up more. Jeff Lynch's US list, which had a decent amount of quality house show stuff, was barely looked at, and you had to dig all over the place for more.

Yeah, that may be why Cena overcompensates. A lot of the guys who were pushed mainly due to physique (like Warrior, Brock and Batista) seem to have that insecurity. Warrior also has the long-standing gay porn and escort rumors.

They've considered it a "all of wrestling" HOF since 2004.

Seriously? Each clip was from a different match and only a few seconds were from VHS-sourced Georgia footage. They even had that early B&W Florida clip that I'm sure nobody's seen since it happened decades ago. Before watching it, it sort of made sense since I didn't think about Florida (Though I figured that between JCP, SMW, and photos, it should be enough, albeit with him older), but they had a ton of different stuff from there, including a great early clip, and most of it was from Florida in his prime and JCP when he was aging but still an active wrestler in great shape.

Crap, I forgot NBA vs NCAA Baskettball and quarters vs halves.

What did Storm say?

The ABA was a totally different sport from the NBA at that time. Three point shot blah blah yadda yadda.

That does make sense: Vince really didn't want Rock to take the part in Be Cool so I can see him coming up with something about that as an insult for the promo.

There's a bunch of...interesting Global. At first, it's a fun promotion with Eddie Gilbert trying his damnedest as booker and top star and a decent enough roster. It turns into the place with Maniac Mike Davis and his moon rock, Vito Mussolini the mobbed up commissioner, THE WORLD"S FIRST BUNGEE JUMP MATCH 175 FEET IN THE AIR, Dave Webb thinking he's Elvis, Rude Dog losing by countout when he chased a cat up the aisle, Sebastian the Jamison ripoff (THEY RIPPED OFF FUCKING JAMISON OF ALL OF THE FUCKING WWF GIMMICKS), random local Dallas actors everywhere, Manny Villalobos proudly displaying his HUD home, etc.

Vladimir~! of course. The kid in the front row when Ron Simmons beat Vader. Raincoat guy crying when Savage and Liz reunited at Wrestlemania VII.

Saying that Dragon Gate is marketed in Japan as socially acceptable porn for women and gay men isn't homophobic, it's a fact, and it has nothing to do me with not liking the style.

I feel like pointing out that they went out of their way to have a logical reason for Funk to be there and not stick out like a sore thumb among the older former champions judging at ringside. He did commentary on their previous big match at Clash 6, which fellow judge Thesz and...someone...(it wasn't O'Connor, was it? Who was it, Harley?) had analyzed on the TBS special a couple days before the show.

A match that I recommended to Loss that he couldn't find or something: Masahiro Chono vs. Kazuo Yamazaki (3/20/96 - Aired on NJPW Classics #812) Really good match that for whatever reason is worked like a Barry Windham main event match from an episode of Worldwide in the late '80s.