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  1. Victator

    Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

    I think you got it right, Blair is seen more as a singles guy. People here are really underestimating Brunzelle. I may not be able to spell his name consistently, but he is really good. Would anyone be interested in looking at old PWI ratings pages?
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    Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

    I was reading an issue of Victory Sports Wrestling and they did a Top 50 WWF list, which seemed like a precursor to the 500. Hogan was one and Savage was two. Probley the part I found confusing is how some tag teams were ranked. Especially in the case of the Killer Bees where Blair was way ahead of Brunzell. I know Bret was ahead of Neidhart and Dynamite slightly above Davey because of the unspoken workrate criteria they use. But why would you place Blair that far ahead of Brunzell? Maybe they just forgot Brunzell. Or Blair was more accomplished as a single. Ted Arcidi was 50.
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    The Cancellation of Jim Cornette

    Vader was probably the best worker in the world in 99 All Japan. He had good to great matches in the WWF when given a chance. Hell he had a much better match with Antonio Inoki oin January of that year. That match is all Shawn being a prima donna asshole. I remember saving money to order this show and being so upset at the end of the night. I kept hoping eventually Vader would get a fair shot in the WWF, but every time I got my hopes up, they pulled the football away,
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    Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

    There was a rumor that Scorp did something at Wrestlemania 13 that would have gotten him fired if not for a promotional war. That he was one of the people released in 99 when the WWF thought it was safe to do that sort of thing. Scorpio himself has alluded to it in shoots. WWE did resign him in 06 when they thought ECW was going to be a touring brand and needed veterans. Then ECW got folded into the Smackdown tour and he was fired again. Scorpio is convinced HHH still hates him over whatever he did in 97. In hindsight, Scorpio could have been used better in WCW,, but I was a big fan of the Bagwell team. I really thought they were going to beat the Blonds for the tag belts. Bagwell seemed to be a guy who got put with guys who really didn't need a partner, minus Riggs.
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    Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

    Was it in Ozark Alabama, I was so sad I missed those shows.
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    Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

    Is that when he walked around the ring on the ropes?
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    Johnny Smith

    I think in a swerve the beeper makes a comeback.
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    Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

    I thought Lee got them more out and out heel heat. I'm not sure Bigelow would ever be a full on heel in ECW, or most places really. I honestly think that whole deal with Bigelow rejoining the Triple Threat and Candido turning on Lance Storm was the most nonsensical booking Heyman did in ECW. Even stuff that was bad in 2000 made sense. Then you have Heyman emasculate Candido and Storm by threatening to fire them if they cost the other guy the tag title. I think being tag champion should be motivation enough. Actually I remembered something as stupid in Justin Credible needing to throw the tag title down to challenge Dreamer. Then at the next pay per view Justin Credible threatens to vacate the world title if they have the triple threat match. Heyman screaming "He has us by the balls!!!" Rather than just stripping him of the title. Same show Raven didn't appear on for I think no reason. WCW existing in 2000 really kept people from noticing how bad ECW had gotten. Which is a shame; because even at its bare minimum, wrestling is dangerous. Especially in ECW, so it sucks to see guys risk their bodies when the office can't hold up their end.
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    Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

    I agree, Scorp was great and never got his due in WCW, the WWF or even ECW. Now I disagree with Clayton about Scorp's promos. They were not yood in a traditional sense, but I found them charming. I think his best mic work was his last night in ECW and he he kept beating guys to avoid leaving. Something about "C'mon Louie, you know you love WWF " Cracked me up. As the way I heard it at the time, Scorpio was very difficult. To the point his bridge is still kinda burnt there. Speaking of ECW wasting talent. I think One Man Gang deserved much better there. He was used okay on house shows, working with Sabu RVD mostly. But on TV he was an after thought I don't know why. He was a name, talented and willing to job to anyone. I think he would have made a fiod replacement for Bigelow But in the nineties it felt like he could not catch a break.
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    Johnny Smith

    I laughed when I remembered in 97 I thought Johnny was really related to Davey Boy and kept expecting him to join his cousin every week, along with Yokozuna.
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    Johnny Smith

    Its a fancam, I wish I had uploaded it to Dailymotion instead of Megaupload. I think I still have the disc, but will need to rerip it and will need a USB DVD drive.
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    Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4

    I grabbed a fancam off Highspots to see a Shane Douglas/Scorpio match from 98. I consider the May 96 match the best ECW match of all time and my 1996 MOTY. They could not recapture the magic, but they worked hard and provided a good main event. They even referenced the finish to the more famous match. Its a good show altogether with a minimum of the more "charming" chants the house show fans provided. One match I took notice of was Bam Bam Bigelow vs Bubba Ray Dudley, the finish ended up in a Triple Threat/Dudleys brawl which really popped the crowd. I think for lack of a better term, ECW left money on the table never doing a program between the groups at November To Remember 98. It lead me to thinking that Heymans strength as a booker was also a weakness. He would be too careful not running matches or angles. Somehow we never got one RVD vs Tajiri or vs Super Crazy match in 99 or 00. Just something I noticed, but not worth a thread.
  13. I was listening to the Gary Hart book on youtube and fascinated hearing about the ups and downs of Texas wrestling. It made me think of how the fight for number three in wrestling is usually more interesting than one and two, I think because it becomes a fight for survival. So I wondered about the different number three promotions after the WWF national expansion. I think in the pure territory days, its too difficult to determine, though people are welcome to talk about it. So I am going to try to interact with a message board for the first time in a year. I think 1985 , the AWA was number three with WCCW and Mid South nearly equal. Gary Hart said WCCW was offered the ESPN deal and I believe Gary on most things. But AWA got it and they were still drawing well. In my plebeian view, I think Hansen running over the belt was the beginning of the end. 1986 to Mid 1987 has to be the UWF, an argument could be made for Mid South in 85, but AWA had the buff of ESPN. Though its funny, ESPN never helped any company long term. I remember it was a struggle to find GWF on. Late 87 to 88 is hard to tell, because AWA and WCCW are struggling and UWF was absorbed into Crockett Promotions. It is probably Memphis by default, even though Memphis had seen better days, they were making money. But an interesting thing happened when Jerry Lawler won the AWA belt, he made it look more important by traveling to every viable territory left. even if the AWA was not drawing. I don't know the truth about Super Clash, but I lean toward believing Jarrett and Lawler. Verne Gagne never spoke of it and Greg Gagne is a Hogan level bullshitter. Super Clash 3 took WCCW, AWA, CWF, CWA (Memphis) and even POWW were on one show. Now the show didn't draw and Verne stiffed everyone not related to him and maybe Ron Garvin, but it at least got attention from the wrestling media. Lawler comes out looking like the real Unified champion and Kerry looks like he has a legitimate claim to it. 1989/1990 The USWA was born and covered the southern united states southeast to southwest and controlled the lineage of the AWA. I'm not sure why the magazines sided with Verne, in Kayfabe terms, Lawler was clearly champion, but they just sided with the AWA and sorta shrugged if asked why. 1991 has to be Global, even as a dumb yet handsome and charismatic child, I knew about Global before even getting the magazines. 1992 the money in Global dried up or never existed and USWA is number three by the two sweetest words in the English language, default. Lawler/Jarrett vs Moondogs even won Feud Of The Year in PWI. But there really isn't anything to compete. I think this is the year Portland became USA wrestling or something. TWA barely existed and baby ECW I think was not even on TV. 1993 is either USWA or SMW and there are arguments for both. The USWA had some huge WWF stars come in, including Bret Hart, Randy Savage and even Vince McMahon. SMW doesn't necessarily have brute force, but they had the Steiners come in and challenge for the tag belts and said belts were defended in WCW and the WWF. The SMW lead manager was representing the WWF champion, but the top USWA star was feuding with the most popular WWF star. 1994 I think would be SMW, but wrestling is sickly and nobody is doing well in America except for AAA, and ECW is starting to make waves. 1995 to 2000 I think is safely ECW; SMW died in 95 and USWA was getting weaker and finally died in 97, though from the sounds of it, USWA might have been murdered. People can correct me if they like, but it seemed the wrestling boom produced a bunch of small indies and spot shows. Memphis came back as Power Pro and Bert Prentice was running Nashville. 2001: This is strange to say if you have ever seen their TV, but I think it is NWA Wildside based on its syndication network. The other answer is OVW, which was drawing well with no national aspirations. 2002: TNA and ROH are born but neither are doing huge numbers. I think you can make an argument for OVW still, some people might dismiss it for the WWF connection, which is fair to a degree. However much like ECW and Power Pro, OVW was not getting enough money to stay alive. 2003/2004 I think is ROH, they were making money and running regular house shows making money. TNA was still doing the weekly ppvs and aside from Jarrett/Raven they were not doing well. But I don't think the weekly pay per views could not work for TNA. I think a cult company could do it if it had no overhead. Like if ECW was just showing fan cams and I'm not sure even then. 2005'/2010 ROH ran into problems with its former owner and TNA stopped losing money and was doing decently on the former Nashville Network. If anyone wants to go further, please do so.
  14. My MLW fandom is when I learned my endorsement was a kiss of death.
  15. And I don't think Sabu, Doc, Corino and Awesome were much cheaper. Barry Windham never took indy bookings, so he might be more. The card was loaded with guys who could carry smaller shows. I forgot that Jamal/Umaga was on here too. This is not mentioning lesser names at the time. But Court was learning. Heck the whole thing got him a job in WWE. So he made his money back eventually.
  16. I really love the Jerry Lynn vs La Parka match. I would have made Jerry champion, reliable, over, good worker and not overly expensive. I get trying with Kojima, but I think its a mistake giving your belt to someone who answers to a different master.
  17. I'm not sure it was a good idea to bring Joe in at that time. But it was just an undercard match on an otherwise strong show. The only flaw I think MLW 1.0 had was they spent too much money without having a sugar daddy. Look at War Games 2003 for an example. They do the double cage setup. Booked in addition to Corino, Simon Diamond and CW Anderson. Had Barry Windham, who I imagine didn't work cheap. Then you have Terry Funk, Sabu, Sandman and Dr.Death. The undercard had Vampiro, CM Punk, Samoa Joe and Mike Awesome. Add in building rental and other odds and ins. There is no way the show madr money, considering they didn't have much income. To Court Bauer's credit he is more carefully now, focusing on a few established stars and finding unknowns with potential. But any issues MLW had in 2002/2003 were simply growing pains any promotion would have.
  18. Now I remember, Sunshine Network was on my cable system then. I thought it was on a Fox Sports South deal.
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    Johnny Smith

    I'm a big fan of Johnny Smith; he isn't flashy, he should not have been the heir apparent to Steve Austin, but he is a quality wrestler who can hold his end up. I think Anarchy Rules 99 was a big fork in the road for Johnny. He was suppose to face Rob Van Dam in the main event and was allied with the Impact Players. Now for some reason Paul E had Johnny taken out by Balls Mahoney and the match never happens. Now the reasoning I heard is Paul E wanted to build up a match, but it seems they should have started that build up after Heat Wave. The RVD/Johnny Smith match happens two days later and I loved it, I thought it was one of the best ECW matches ever. But it really depends on how much you like RVD and ECW in general. The reason I call this a fork in the road is if this match had actually happened on pay per view, I think Johnny would have been confirmed as a star in this country and ECW. In the end, maybe Johnny ends up in the same place, or maybe he ends up in the WWF or WCW somehow.
  20. I can see that, I can't remember the channel I saw it on. I know it was a smaller sports channel. For anyone interested, MLW is uploading those original episodes.
  21. Also guys like Iceberg Slim who should have made it along with Cross and JC Dazz. I don't know how TNA never gave Jeff G Bailey a break This is embarrassing but I forgot MLW in 02/03. They had good syndication and drew decently. It was my personal favorite promotion at the time.
  22. JCW is in the same boat as XPW for me. Decent video distribution, but their audiences were not really wrestling fans. But JCW are definitely a candidate. I think this thread showed me, there were a lot of decent promotions after WCW died.
  23. I do remember IWA being talked about a lot online and Dutch Mantell as booker drawing well. Honestly in 99 as house shows go, they might have been equal to ECW. ECW had better TV, but IWA was drawing just as well. Also IWA was paying its talent. Honestly I'm not sure how I missed IWA PR. Did they run any shows outside of Puerto Rico?
  24. My apologies for forgetting WWC, even though Puerto Rico is a common wealth, I sometimes view it as its own world likd Japan and Mexico. In 87 there is definitely a fair argument for WWC being number three as they were drawing good shows. IWA is also a fair candidate for 01 to 05, they were reguarly drawing big houses. I can see an argument for CZW being number three in 01/02, but I don't think they were selling enough tapes to overcome what Wildside was doing in syndication and were not drawing enough to outdo OVW or even Bert Prentice in Nashville. XPW had weak TV and was not doing good numbers in 01. But to their credit, they were doing decent numbers durinv the Philly wars of 02 when Shane Douglas was booking XPW also had commercial tapes being sold in places like FYE and Suncoast video. As for ECW being number two in 2000. Anyone that knows me, knows I loved ECW. I still love a lot of the shows and the wrestlers. But to be frank, I don't think the number two promotion should bounce checks tl its wrestlers. That hurts to say as I truly hate what WCW was in 2000. [unwanted editorial]even if it became a template for all wrestling today.[unwanted editorial] But WCW paid everyone on time.
  25. WCCW was on ESPN in the late eighties, as was USWA Texaa shows. I'm guessing the women's promotion was POWW. That was the promotion started by David Mcclain after his falling out with Glow. I mean no harm but who watched Glow thinking it needed longer matches. I saw some POWW matches on AWA shows too.
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